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Youth Bow Hunting

by WormWiggler , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 08/29/2009 10:55 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
WormWiggler

Joined: 08/29/2009
Location: nd
My 10 year old son has showed interest in bowhunting.  I made a half ass attempt at bowhunting 20 years ago.  I am thinking of getting into it again with him and have found more questions than answers.  I bought him a Bear bow at walmart for about $100 to see if he would stay interested very long.  So far so good.  Can he actually kill a deer with the thing,  I found on the NDGF website that it must be 35 lbs or bigger.  I could not definately see if a 10 year old is allowed to bowhunt. Any thoughts or advise would be greatly appreciated.

Rick
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by shannon on 08/29/2009 6:38 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
shannon
Joined: 08/23/2006
Location: ND
It is odd, but yes he can as long as he is using legal equipment.  He actually will be able to hunt until he is 12.  Then he will need hunter safety, but not before.  Makes no sense to me.  I do, however, think you are mistaking about the Bear bow being sufficient.  I believe the poundage needs to be a minimum of 35 and there is also a size requirement.  I do not believe the Bear would qualify in either area.  Also, very few boys or girls are able to pull 35# before they are a teenager. 

Finally,  have found that sitting still can be a huge problem for children of this age too.  I think it is great that your boy is showing the interest but be careful as you do not want him to lose patience with the sport if he is unable to sit for the required time.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Pro V1 on 08/29/2009 8:42 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Pro V1
Joined: 12/28/2001
Location: ND
If you take the bow to scheels they can test the draw weight for you,  As far as pulling a 35lb. bow back at age ten Shannon is probably correct.  You could always take him with you and give him a general idea of what bowhunting entails.  a ground blind would be a good ideas as you could both sit in it and if he gets a little antsy some movement in the blind won't completely screw up your hunting.   i have a four year old daughter and she is excited to sit in the blind with Dad,

"Guns cause crime like fly's cause garbage"
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Sportsman on 08/29/2009 10:35 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Sportsman
Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
You are wrong on the size of the bow.  There is no size limit that the bow has to be as long as it has a draw weight of 35 pounds.  Some legislator tried to pass a minimum bow length law this past session and got laughed at so hard that the withdrew it before it ever reached a vote.

And why wouldn't a bear bow meet the 35 pound draw weight.  It is my understanding that some Bear bows go well above that mark.  What makes you think that just because it is a Bear that it wouldn't be legal?
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Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Fox Island Outfitter on 08/29/2009 10:57 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Fox Island Outfitter
Joined: 02/25/2002
Location: ND
Sportsman Said:
You are wrong on the size of the bow.  There is no size limit that the bow has to be as long as it has a draw weight of 35 pounds.  Some legislator tried to pass a minimum bow length law this past session and got laughed at so hard that the withdrew it before it ever reached a vote.

And why wouldn't a bear bow meet the 35 pound draw weight.  It is my understanding that some Bear bows go well above that mark.  What makes you think that just because it is a Bear that it wouldn't be legal?
Actually you are partially wrong Sportsman.

A recurve or longbow has to have 35 pounds of draw weight at 28 inches. This I believe should be worded differently for youth!!! How many 10-12 year olds do you know that can pull back 35 lbs, much less have a draw length of 28"!? I'm sure some kids can pull back more; but with a recurve or a long bow, the pounds of force, regardless of the weight, is reduced dramatically....So even if a youngster is hunting with a bow that has 35 lbs of draw weight at 28", does that mean the the bow should be legal? A youngster could be pulling a stick and string back only 24" (same as the min. arrow lengh) and only be hitting 25 lbs of weight. Will that kill a deer? Maybe, but I wouldn't want to try.

Compounds are different, but at the same time should kinetic energy requirements be required vs. minimum draw weights? Just a thought... >>>------------->
The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the decendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter.- Finn Aagard
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by outdoor on 08/29/2009 11:22 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
outdoor
Joined: 01/24/2004
Location: ND
Both of my older sons started bow hunting at 9yrs old. They could pull the bows at legal weights and have taken 2 deer with good arrow penetration. Although few of their buddies their age could pull the bows back, but the boys shoot more than most kids.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Sportsman on 08/29/2009 11:45 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Sportsman
Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
FIO:  I guess you are right.  When he mentioned bow size, I was thinking of the bow length from axle to axle on a compound (I still think that is what he was referring to actually).  I wasn't thinking about the draw length on a recurve at all.

That being said, I do believe that there are numerous Bear bows (compounds) that would have the required draw weight to be legal.
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Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Fox Island Outfitter on 08/29/2009 11:54 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Fox Island Outfitter
Joined: 02/25/2002
Location: ND

Sportsman,
I on the other hand wasn't thinking at all about ATA, but I did drift onto stick and strings more so than compounds.

With todays technology in compound bows, a 35 lb draw could be achieved at a very short draw length making it obtainable for a youngster to hunt with a bow legally (as long as they are strong enough). I do say if that's what it takes to get a kid in the outdoors and suffiently kill a deer with archery equipment, more power to them!
The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the decendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter.- Finn Aagard
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by WormWiggler on 08/30/2009 10:23 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
WormWiggler
Joined: 08/29/2009
Location: nd
Thanks for all the replies.  I found the packaging from his bow,  and its max pull is 29 lbs, So if he wants to launch one at a deer I will have to find a bigger one.  This one is set at max and he pulls it with no problem,   his 8 year old sister can pull it back.  I think he would be happy sneaking and at shooting rabbits at this point.  We made a trip to the badlands yesterday and did not see a single rabbit.  Dog found about 500 cockleburrs, darn wirehairs..

Rick
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by bjpederson on 08/30/2009 1:24 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
bjpederson
Joined: 10/10/2002
Location: ND
I believe it was last fall in the outdoors section of the Fargo Forum there was an article about this very subject.  An eight year old from the area shot his first deer with a bow.  The article was very informative on what to expect and how his dad dealt with different problems.  If you can get a hold of it I think you should.  I think it was in one of the october editions (sunday).

As far as kids below the age of ten taking hunters safety, I do not think it is a good idea.  My reasoning is that kids younger than that are more than likely going to not have the mental ability to retain the information well enough.  Kids at ages below ten need more repitition to condition them to form good habits, and they would probably have a hard time passing the test.  Not passing the test, because of pushing kids to do it to early could actualy backfire for recruitment to the sport.  Failing something like that and not being able to hunt that fall is the type of thing that turns kids off to it.  The number of kids that are hunting at that end of the spectrum is small, and from my experience the parents that take their kids hunting at that age are die hards (like me) that are ussually very particular about how and who they hunt with.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by shannon on 08/30/2009 6:59 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
shannon
Joined: 08/23/2006
Location: ND

Guess you were the one that was wrong on both issues Sportsman.  If I were you, I would research before you tell someone the advice they gave someone about getting their kid started in hunting is wrong.  No need to respond like a jerk, I am just stating the obvious.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Bowhuntin on 08/30/2009 7:06 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Bowhuntin
Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND
The curriculum for hunter education is geared for the 12 year old and above level and those younger may have a hard time with some of the material as bjpederson mentioned. The reason they can hunt without hunter education before turning 12 is because they are required to be accompanied by an adult and the adult should already have been through hunter education.

Actually the law regarding legal bows states a compound bow used for hunting deer must have at least 35 lbs of draw at 28" or less draw length. So most youngsters with the desire should be able to meet those requirements as any compound bow is legal as long as it draws 35 pounds. My son shot his first deer with a bow when he was 10 years old. Main thing is practice, practice, practice. Then practice some more.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by shannon on 08/30/2009 7:06 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
shannon
Joined: 08/23/2006
Location: ND
WormWiggler:

I have a youth Mathews that my daughter has shot less then 20 arrows through.  She hit a growth spurt and outgrew it in about 6 months.  It is a $600 bow (with the extras) that I would let your kid use this season.  If it works for him you could keep it for $100.  I think it goes from 30# to 45#.  Sweet shooting little setup.  If you want it, leave some contact info and I will get in touch with you.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by WormWiggler on 08/31/2009 9:20 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
WormWiggler
Joined: 08/29/2009
Location: nd
Shannon,

Wow  thanks for the offer.  Borrow is not something I like to do  but I am very interested if you would like to sell it outright.  Email me at rmkram@ndsupernet.com
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Sportsman on 08/31/2009 10:26 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Sportsman
Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
shannon Said:

Guess you were the one that was wrong on both issues Sportsman.  If I were you, I would research before you tell someone the advice they gave someone about getting their kid started in hunting is wrong.  No need to respond like a jerk, I am just stating the obvious.


Actually I guess I wasn't wrong.  I said that just because it is a bear brand bow does not automaically mean it is less than 35 pound draw weight.  I did not say or in any way imply that all bear bows were greater than 35 pounds.  I just said that bear does in fact make compound bows that  have greater than 35 pound draw weight and that is an absolute concrete FACT.  You can double and even triple check that if you wish.  As far as the minimum draw length on compound bows (which is what I was referring to on my original response) Please take a second to read Bowhuntin's post.

"Actually the law regarding legal bows states a compound bow used for hunting deer must have at least 35 lbs of draw at 28" or less draw length."

You see, there is no minimum draw length on the type of bow that I was talking about, so in FACT I was right on both counts.  So before you come on here and start busting my chops about being wrong, maybe you are the one who should do some research.  Just stating the obvious pal. 
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Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by Sportsman on 09/10/2009 10:40 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Sportsman
Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
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Older Bear - Whitetail II bow. Has pin sites and a 8 arrow quiver. 50-60# I believe it is set at 31" draw length. LEFT-HANDED

So you see Shannon - Bear does in FACT make a bow with draw weight of over 35#.  And that's all I ever had to say about it.  Never did I say that all bear bows were over 35#.  If you can find where I said that, I will humbly apologize to you.  Sorry if this offends you.  Just stating the obvious.
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Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by fishhook on 09/11/2009 08:29 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
fishhook
Joined: 12/19/2001
Location: ND
A good youth set up is the parker buckshot.  my son has the 30-40 lb limbs.  when he outgrows it we can send it in and have 40-50 lb limbs put on for $50.  and the 50-60 lb limbs later for another $50.  pretty good deal and a dang good bow.  He just turned 10 a month ago and pulls 35 lb's back fairly easily.  he's pretty excited to get out this fall, we haven't had time yet, but hopefully the weather cooperates this weekend.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by jordymack11 on 10/06/2010 6:07 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
jordymack11
Joined: 10/17/2009
Location: nd
ten is not to young I shot my first dear when I was eleven with an old wood handled bow my dad bought as a kit and put together. back then I dont think there was a restriction and if there was dad must not have known. I do think that the draw weight was around 30lbs but at 7 yards it went right through the heart and ran only 70 yds. Believe me my dad passed about a year ago and I may have forgot as I grew up to say thanks for teaching me the great sport of bowhunting. Make it an adventure for them there is so much going on in the woulds weather its roosters, turkeys just nature in general. I have to say I took almost 20 years off between bow hunts because a friend of mine I hunted with in my teens passed away at 19 and it just never seemed the same. But being back into it I love sitting in the stand no cell phones no traffic, just you and the woods!!The other night saw a nice buck but got busted by doe and fawn and it was such a blast just knowing I still have the ability to get a nice one within 35 yards, and thats what keeps me going. All I can say is awesome.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by swift on 10/07/2010 08:31 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
swift
Joined: 01/23/2002
Location: SD
You guys are underestimating kids again.  My 9 yo pulls 40# and so does most of his classmates when they come over and shoot with him.  Arrow length must be a minimum of 24"  There is no minimum draw length.  I bought him a $220 archery deer tag and have a ground blind set up in his Grampa's farmstead.  When he connects we will post pictures.
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by creg on 09/21/2011 9:57 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
creg
Joined: 09/21/2011
Location: Fl
is the vortex youthcompond bow from bass pro shops good to hunt with for my 13 year old daughter .She got in to it with a 20# bow now she wants to hunt .She pulls 30#s.What do u think,i need edvise.
 
Re: Youth Bow Hunting
by 5575 on 09/21/2011 11:43 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
5575
Joined: 11/20/2003
Location: ND
fishhook Said:
A good youth set up is the parker buckshot.  my son has the 30-40 lb limbs.  when he outgrows it we can send it in and have 40-50 lb limbs put on for $50.  and the 50-60 lb limbs later for another $50.  pretty good deal and a dang good bow.  He just turned 10 a month ago and pulls 35 lb's back fairly easily.  he's pretty excited to get out this fall, we haven't had time yet, but hopefully the weather cooperates this weekend.

Listen to what fishhook has to say, I have set up many young hunters with this great  Parker setup! And you can find them used online all day long for around $175

My son took his first doe when he was 8 with his bow and has taken two P&Y class bucks since then. Yet he was darn excited to pull the trigger of that .243 this week and harvest his doe during the 12 yr old youth hunt..good times!






 
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