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I've watched hawks/eagles(not sure which) east of Wilton do some ducking and diving a few times.  

3XGutshot Said:
I've watched hawks and eagles east of Wilton do some ducking and diving a few times.  

I wonder why?

3XGutshot Said:

But the moves have done little to protect the golden eagles, which weigh about 14 pounds and stand up to 409 inches tall.

The California Golden Eagles must be much taller and skinnier than the ones we have around here.  409" or 34' tall is a big damned bird, I'm surprised they only weigh 14#.

Horsager Said:

3XGutshot Said:

But the moves have done little to protect the golden eagles, which weigh about 14 pounds and stand up to 409 inches tall.

The California Golden Eagles must be much taller and skinnier than the ones we have around here.  409" or 34' tall is a big damned bird, I'm surprised they only weigh 14#.

lean and mean I guess

ggenthusiast Said:

3XGutshot Said:
I've watched hawks and eagles east of Wilton do some ducking and diving a few times.  

I wonder why?

non-toxic shot maybe?

Horsager Said:
The California Golden Eagles must be much taller and skinnier than the ones we have around here.  409" or 34' tall is a big damned bird, I'm surprised they only weigh 14#.

Whoever did the measuring must have been drinking the same swill as they did on Young Guns.   "You see the size of that chicken?"

F ing BUNNY HUGGERS.Should be a bounty on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, i'm shocked that a story like this comes out of California!  

i have heard that large wind farms have been thought to disrupt the flight patterns of geese as well.

I find it all a little bit hard to believe.  If that many dead golden eagles were being found the greenazi's would be parading them all around the country.  Somebody should ask the guys at Verendrye electric in  Minot if they've ever found a dead bird under the two original towers south of Minot.  Bet they haven't.  But I have to wonder what their motive's are on this.  They are the ones that wanted the turbines in the first place. 

Bottom line is wind and solar enery are what,we have.We cannot, take farm land to create enery in a starveing world,so ethanol, and bio- diesal are out.Eventually all the fossile fuels will be used(in about 100 yrs.).By than big oil will have controllof wind and solar power,and stop fighting it.It all comes down to controll and BIG BUCKS.

I will put my money on Mother Nature to adapt any animal to change.  They will either move or at least learn to avoid them.  Darwinism rules.  If they don't and do die off, well I guess that is a form of Darwinism too..

Now, I'm a big fan of green energy, but I do also fear the affects of such large wind farms on migration patterns (be it only a few miles mind you).  If a bird(s) in ND does get killed by one of our turbines, do you really think it would just lay there for days?  I mean they don't go check them daily and or cover more than perhaps driving down the access road and reading some gauges.  I would think more than 48 hours is unheard of, simply do to the number of carnivores in our State.

kkollman Said:
Bottom line is wind and solar enery are what,we have.We cannot, take farm land to create enery in a starveing world,so ethanol, and bio- diesal are out.Eventually all the fossile fuels will be used(in about 100 yrs.).By than big oil will have controllof wind and solar power,and stop fighting it.It all comes down to controll and BIG BUCKS.

Wrong.   It all comes down to what is economically feasible in the FREE MARKET.
Wind, solar, ethanol, and biodiesel are not feasible at this time.

If only we could figure out fusion!!! Maybe they could put big cages around the blades like my fan at home has, to keep the birds out....

rugeruser Said:
Hmm, i'm shocked that a story like this comes out of California!  

That was my first thought. 

eyexer Said:
I find it all a little bit hard to believe.  If that many dead golden eagles were being found the greenazi's would be parading them all around the country.  Somebody should ask the guys at Verendrye electric in  Minot if they've ever found a dead bird under the two original towers south of Minot.  Bet they haven't.  But I have to wonder what their motive's are on this.  They are the ones that wanted the turbines in the first place. 

I really can't believe this story is generated from California media.  Eyexer is right on.  Cali is generally a very liberal state, especially in the media sector.  They're the ones that push for "green" energy. 

I"m sure a few collisions happen, but I would never have guessed it happens often. 

Seaofgreen, you have a lot of faith.  I don't know how much any wildlife is affected by them, but I'm not sure every change we throw at them is adaptable.  If it was, we woudn't still have birds flying into the powerlines on the 83 embankment daily.   Deer would quit running out in front of vehicles.  etc etc  

fisherman25 Said:

rugeruser Said:
Hmm, i'm shocked that a story like this comes out of California!  

That was my first thought. 

eyexer Said:
I find it all a little bit hard to believe.  If that many dead golden eagles were being found the greenazi's would be parading them all around the country.  Somebody should ask the guys at Verendrye electric in  Minot if they've ever found a dead bird under the two original towers south of Minot.  Bet they haven't.  But I have to wonder what their motive's are on this.  They are the ones that wanted the turbines in the first place. 

I really can't believe this story is generated from California media.  Eyexer is right on.  Cali is generally a very liberal state, especially in the media sector.  They're the ones that push for "green" energy. 

I"m sure a few collisions happen, but I would never have guessed it happens often. 

Seaofgreen, you have a lot of faith.  I don't know how much any wildlife is affected by them, but I'm not sure every change we throw at them is adaptable.  If it was, we woudn't still have birds flying into the powerlines on the 83 embankment daily.   Deer would quit running out in front of vehicles.  etc etc  

your right.  some things wildlife adapt to quite well, some things not.  One good example of adaptation is the large animals in Alaska cuddling up to the alaska pipeline to keep warm in the winter.  But your examples of lack of adapting are true also.  It is what it is.  But I don't buy the birds being killed at an alarming rate flying into the turbins.  There's something to that story that's missing.  My first inclination is follow the money.  That is usually the source to most things of this nature.

I work on a wind farm in ND. Every once awhile we find birds maybe 3 to 5 a year and they are either ducks or pheasants. Mainly when its foggy or crappy out. On a sun shining day the chance of any bird getting hit by a blade is very slim. And it took awhile for the deer and everything else to come back. (all other sub contractors had left finally). No eagles yet but for us to see a eagle is rare down by us too.