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I'm thinking of heading west and working in the oilfields. I have my own truck and have a couple of really good contract opportunities. I was wondering how tough it really is to find a place out there. Would need something for me, the wife, 2 kids and a dog. An apartment would be fine for now, but I'm really looking at buying a place.

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I'm thinking of heading west and working in the oilfields. I have my own truck and have a couple of really good contract opportunities. I was wondering how tough it really is to find a place out there. Would need something for me, the wife, 2 kids and a dog. An apartment would be fine for now, but I'm really looking at buying a place.

there are some homes for sale but they are rather pricey for what your getting.  rental property is extremely hard to come by.

 

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the housing situation is really bad if it wasnt already bad now all the campgrounds are getting ready to close up for the winter and people are scrambling to find rentals.Good luck in your search look in towns an hour away or so might help somewhat


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My best advice is to look at the small towns around the area. Look at Grenora, WIldrose, alexander, zahl, little tiny towns, where you can find a decent property for fair value, but in turn, you have almost an hour drive to anywhere. Good luck!

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sounds like ill be up there building more apartments west of the airport again this winter or early spring. they are rented out before were even done building them. its crazy

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all the small towns are the same.  three years ago you couldn't rent out an apartment in stanley now they go for $1000 plus a month.  It's insane.  Right now I have two guys living in my basement and a camper in my yard with three in it.  The city of Williston better pull their head out of their azzes.  They are so behind on this deal it's insane.  The city council is so afraid of this growth that they are basically hiding under their desks. 

 

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   It is all about timing right place right time if you call and get on waiting list they still take the one that is standing there

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eyexer Said:
all the small towns are the same.  three years ago you couldn't rent out an apartment in stanley now they go for $1000 plus a month.  It's insane.  Right now I have two guys living in my basement and a camper in my yard with three in it.  The city of Williston better pull their head out of their azzes.  They are so behind on this deal it's insane.  The city council is so afraid of this growth that they are basically hiding under their desks. 

Yep, the city of Williston got its proverbial arse handed to it from the last boom/bust cycle.  They are not anxious to over build again. 

Heck, when I worked in the patch back in the 80s it was nothing to drive 40-90 miles each way to work.  Seems like people are a bit more resistant to commuting nowadays.

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Well Allen,I was in the first boom and been in the second one for about two years.People are still driving many miles to get to work.There is way more traffic!!The one thing diff this boom is a lot of the rigs have free housing for their workers!!and some of the trucking outfits also do to.

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I don't understand why people blame the city's or government for the housing problem. Last time I checked, it takes someone who is willing to invest their own money into developing houses or apartments. And considereing the last boom and bust I can understand the reluctance to lose money again.

With that said, I would think someone would be developing housing complexes out there by now. Better make the money while it lasts!

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I don't understand why people blame the city's or government for the housing problem. Last time I checked, it takes someone who is willing to invest their own money into developing houses or apartments. And considereing the last boom and bust I can understand the reluctance to lose money again.

With that said, I would think someone would be developing housing complexes out there by now. Better make the money while it lasts!

You are correct about private investors for the construction of the buildings.  That;s only part of the issue though.  The problem faced by city and county governments is infrastructure.  That's where they got hung before.  Put in streets, curb and gutter, along with sewer and water and it results in huge expense that the taxpayers are ultimately responsible for.  Tough decisions to be made. 

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Yeah murdock I agree.  I know folks putting on monster commutes to the patch.


 

 

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I'll sell you my house in about a year and a half

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my cousin is selling his house.  pm for his info.

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In all honesty, you probably will have a hell of a time finding something to rent.  I spent 7 months commuting 150 miles round trip each day before I found a place to live 2 years ago.  I gave up on even attempting to rent because it just felt like i was gonna get raped by doing so. 

You can purchase a home (a lot of them for sale right now) and your mortgage payments on a 15 year loan, (let's say $125,000.00) will be less than renting a run down 2 bedroom apartment.  There is actually a decent 2 bedroom with a basement (possible 3 or 4 bed) for sale with 2 car garage just 2 houses down from me right now for $89,000.00.

The problem people find now is that home appraisals are backed up 2, 3, or 4 months out.  An offer is accepted on a house, but they don't have a clue when they can close on the home. 

So, if there is any appraisers out there needing work, you should come knocking at the doors of all financial institutions in and around Williston.  You will make a killing.

Being that you are a truck driver, living in Williston may not be that big a deal.  I would suggest checking out smaller towns as mentioned.  Look at Grenora, Ray, Alexander, etc.. in ND.  You may want to check out the MT border towns like Westby, Medicine Lake, Froid, Antelope, Culbertson, Bainville, Fairview. 

There were several homes for sale in Westby last I saw.  There seems to be several for sale around Med. Lake and Culbertson too.

Check out  theshopperinc.net as many listings can be found there.

 I don’t want to kill the animal, but I do want to warn it, and say “hey, I think you’re pretty neat, but I respect your distance.” There’s bears out here, there’s mountain cougars, and biting goats.


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How about mobil home parks out there?  Any spots open your aware of?  A couple of local guys was talking about moving some out that way to rent or sell.

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all the small towns are the same.  three years ago you couldn't rent out an apartment in stanley now they go for $1000 plus a month.  It's insane.  Right now I have two guys living in my basement and a camper in my yard with three in it.  The city of Williston better pull their head out of their azzes.  They are so behind on this deal it's insane.  The city council is so afraid of this growth that they are basically hiding under their desks. 

Yep, the city of Williston got its proverbial arse handed to it from the last boom/bust cycle.  They are not anxious to over build again. 

Heck, when I worked in the patch back in the 80s it was nothing to drive 40-90 miles each way to work.  Seems like people are a bit more resistant to commuting nowadays.

It's different now because of the type of things that go on after the drilling.  Very long hours and pretty spontaneous.  So people are reluctant to be 45 miles away.  Also, the younger generation has to be close to Walmart, etc. 

 

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I don't understand why people blame the city's or government for the housing problem. Last time I checked, it takes someone who is willing to invest their own money into developing houses or apartments. And considereing the last boom and bust I can understand the reluctance to lose money again.

With that said, I would think someone would be developing housing complexes out there by now. Better make the money while it lasts!

The city can do tons of things without any risk of loosing money.  The city of Williston was so slow to get up to speed on this.  I had investors from out of state ready to build apartment complexes three years ago when the city was absolutely begging builders to put up complexes.  I presented the city with my investors and they acted like they didn't even want to see them.  Any other place I have lived would have rolled out the red carpet.  But then the next day they were still whining about no housing but wouldn't do anything to help themselves. I could go on for hours about this and get into finer details but I won't bore you.

 

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In all honesty, you probably will have a hell of a time finding something to rent.  I spent 7 months commuting 150 miles round trip each day before I found a place to live 2 years ago.  I gave up on even attempting to rent because it just felt like i was gonna get raped by doing so. 

You can purchase a home (a lot of them for sale right now) and your mortgage payments on a 15 year loan, (let's say $125,000.00) will be less than renting a run down 2 bedroom apartment.  There is actually a decent 2 bedroom with a basement (possible 3 or 4 bed) for sale with 2 car garage just 2 houses down from me right now for $89,000.00.

The problem people find now is that home appraisals are backed up 2, 3, or 4 months out.  An offer is accepted on a house, but they don't have a clue when they can close on the home. 

So, if there is any appraisers out there needing work, you should come knocking at the doors of all financial institutions in and around Williston.  You will make a killing.

Being that you are a truck driver, living in Williston may not be that big a deal.  I would suggest checking out smaller towns as mentioned.  Look at Grenora, Ray, Alexander, etc.. in ND.  You may want to check out the MT border towns like Westby, Medicine Lake, Froid, Antelope, Culbertson, Bainville, Fairview. 

There were several homes for sale in Westby last I saw.  There seems to be several for sale around Med. Lake and Culbertson too.

Check out  theshopperinc.net as many listings can be found there.

now appraisals, that's another subject.  Things are so screwed up over here in regards to property taxes that it's crazy.  Here's how unpredictable it is.  1.5 years ago I had my new house appraised for a re-fi.  I got the appraisal, it had 6 comparables attached to it.  My appraisal came in at $260K.   Less than thirty days later I received my tax statement.  Amazingly my house had a tax valuation of $328K.  Can someone explain that to me?  The county couldn't, but they wouldn't reduce it either.

 

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I think the oil boom can go blow itself. I live in Minot and with all this activity everyone has become so greedy its pathetic. Try looking for a place to live in Minot even, old rundown trailer houses that are from the 70's you wouldnt imagine paying $3,000 for people are asking $15,000-$20,000. My trailer was appraised at $24,000 and my lot manager even said I should have no problem getting $35,000 with the boom. It's pretty sad when the trailer park management is excited to raise the rent and cost of crappy units to force people out so an oil worker can move in and rape them with 400-600 a month just for LOT RENT. My lot rent in the past 2 years has gone up $125 a month. Even just to rent a Flippin camping spot in minot is up around $400 a month, which is just absolutly ridiculous. Everyone thinks just because someone lives in the area we all have oil money flowing in.

The love of money is the root of all evil, all these people that have had everything handed to them their whole lives and never had to work to make an honest living. And figure hmm lets just rape everyone in anyway possible. Go screw yourselves.

woofta that was a rant, im just so fed up with everything.
now I spose thats gonna stir the pot a bit.


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finish my basement and I'd rent it out....of course I'd have to run it past the mrs.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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finish my basement and I'd rent it out....of course I'd have to run it past the mrs.

exactly, I just put in an egress window and new bedroom in mine, but I need a bathroom down there.  Any plumbers need a pad to live in for a while, let me know.

 I don’t want to kill the animal, but I do want to warn it, and say “hey, I think you’re pretty neat, but I respect your distance.” There’s bears out here, there’s mountain cougars, and biting goats.


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finish my basement and I'd rent it out....of course I'd have to run it past the mrs.

Dani and I just bought a home.  I gave my basement to my cousin who is in the patch doing mud logging.  Figured what the heck.  But dangit, I could probably be making quite a bit more if I rented to a stranger.  I wouldn't feel as bad asking for a little more.  Ha ha!  And no, I wouldn't gouge but I would up the ante a little.


 

 

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I don't understand why people blame the city's or government for the housing problem. Last time I checked, it takes someone who is willing to invest their own money into developing houses or apartments. And considereing the last boom and bust I can understand the reluctance to lose money again.

With that said, I would think someone would be developing housing complexes out there by now. Better make the money while it lasts!

The city can do tons of things without any risk of loosing money.  The city of Williston was so slow to get up to speed on this.  I had investors from out of state ready to build apartment complexes three years ago when the city was absolutely begging builders to put up complexes.  I presented the city with my investors and they acted like they didn't even want to see them.  Any other place I have lived would have rolled out the red carpet.  But then the next day they were still whining about no housing but wouldn't do anything to help themselves. I could go on for hours about this and get into finer details but I won't bore you.

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I don't know.  Basically every town in western Nodak is being cautious.  I think rightly too.  Not only wasting government money (tax revenues) but investors taking serious risk.  That's why I chuckled at Heitkamp and others freaking out at the state because they weren't giving unmarked 1,000 dollar bills to everyone.  There needs to be careful planning to ensure money isn't just thrown in the ditch.  And that's exactly what had been happening in Mountrail with our roads.  Have some dandy examples to give but will spare embarrassing.

Anyway, my motto is everything takes time.  Sure, it ticks people off that the wheels are seemingly turning slow but that isn't always a bad thing either.  Minot right now is turning some slow wheels too.  It is frustrating in some aspects but it might be the most wise.  Time will tell.

All I can say is the oil has created some very unique challenges for rural Nodak and even the urban areas.  We are pretty much learning as we go...and some still have a very long memory of the last time it happened.


 

 

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eyexer Said:

HUNTNFISHND Said:
I don't understand why people blame the city's or government for the housing problem. Last time I checked, it takes someone who is willing to invest their own money into developing houses or apartments. And considereing the last boom and bust I can understand the reluctance to lose money again.

With that said, I would think someone would be developing housing complexes out there by now. Better make the money while it lasts!

The city can do tons of things without any risk of loosing money.  The city of Williston was so slow to get up to speed on this.  I had investors from out of state ready to build apartment complexes three years ago when the city was absolutely begging builders to put up complexes.  I presented the city with my investors and they acted like they didn't even want to see them.  Any other place I have lived would have rolled out the red carpet.  But then the next day they were still whining about no housing but wouldn't do anything to help themselves. I could go on for hours about this and get into finer details but I won't bore you.

I am curious to know what was expected out of the city by meeting your investors, and also what you or others think the citys' responsibility regarding housing.   If I was on their council I believe I would say,  show us what you plan to build, where and when, and what you need from us and we will aprove/or deny your building permit/zoning requests.    I am sure your story was , understandably, the very condensed version - but from what you did provide, I had to wonder why the city would want to meet with investors?  Unless the investors presented their plans/requests at a council meeting and the city  denied the requests for building/zoning permits for short-sighted unreasonable reasons, I guess I don't understand how they are in the wrong.   IMO -  if someone has plans for development the citys' involvement is pretty cut and dry - the developer brings their very detailed plans and requests to the city and they aprove or deny based on if the request is best for the city...but they should not be looked at as partners in any deal.

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i think Williston is being extra careful on this subject the last boom alot of people lost a lot of money when it ended...just a thought is all

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This is funny.  No way can a governmental entity like a city foster this kind of development without taking risk.  The real world doesn't work that way.  Cities in Western ND know all about how it works.  This isn't new to them.

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I am curious to know what was expected out of the city by meeting your investors, and also what you or others think the citys' responsibility regarding housing.   If I was on their council I believe I would say,  show us what you plan to build, where and when, and what you need from us and we will aprove/or deny your building permit/zoning requests.    I am sure your story was , understandably, the very condensed version - but from what you did provide, I had to wonder why the city would want to meet with investors?  Unless the investors presented their plans/requests at a council meeting and the city  denied the requests for building/zoning permits for short-sighted unreasonable reasons, I guess I don't understand how they are in the wrong.   IMO -  if someone has plans for development the citys' involvement is pretty cut and dry - the developer brings their very detailed plans and requests to the city and they aprove or deny based on if the request is best for the city...but they should not be looked at as partners in any deal.

eyexer can correct me if I am wrong, but if I remember correctly, at least one of this kind of deals fell apart because the city wanted local investors.  There were a number of stories in the papers about it that attributed it to a desire to keep it local.  And of course, the developers were likely seeking some form of reach-around in tax breaks.

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Developers ALWAYS want something.  It might be deferrals on specials for instance.  These types of things are not bad but they are about risk.  So, what was posted about no risk is BS.

On the other hand, the city needs to decide just how much risk they can accept and then move forward.  If they decide that they don't want risk, then they should shut up and quit whining.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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How about Lots for sale or land? I have a trailer that I could bring out there.

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How about Lots for sale or land? I have a trailer that I could bring out there.

How far is too far of a commute for you?


 

 

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How about Lots for sale or land? I have a trailer that I could bring out there.

$30-100,000 for 1/4-1 acre undeveloped lot in or around williston.  You can buy one in Alexander (20 miles south) for 15-20,000.

 I don’t want to kill the animal, but I do want to warn it, and say “hey, I think you’re pretty neat, but I respect your distance.” There’s bears out here, there’s mountain cougars, and biting goats.


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100,000 huh?  Commercial or residential?


 

 

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what about the stuff around bismarck mandan newtown  or beuhla  i been on the horn to alot  of welding contractors in the area they told me we wont hire ya if ya dont live here simple as that

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100,000 huh?  Commercial or residential?

Residential.  OK, maybe $100,000 was a stretch, but last year there was a pile of 1-2 acre residentials for 60-85 grand.

 I don’t want to kill the animal, but I do want to warn it, and say “hey, I think you’re pretty neat, but I respect your distance.” There’s bears out here, there’s mountain cougars, and biting goats.


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HUNTNFISHND Said:
I don't understand why people blame the city's or government for the housing problem. Last time I checked, it takes someone who is willing to invest their own money into developing houses or apartments. And considereing the last boom and bust I can understand the reluctance to lose money again.

With that said, I would think someone would be developing housing complexes out there by now. Better make the money while it lasts!

The city can do tons of things without any risk of loosing money.  The city of Williston was so slow to get up to speed on this.  I had investors from out of state ready to build apartment complexes three years ago when the city was absolutely begging builders to put up complexes.  I presented the city with my investors and they acted like they didn't even want to see them.  Any other place I have lived would have rolled out the red carpet.  But then the next day they were still whining about no housing but wouldn't do anything to help themselves. I could go on for hours about this and get into finer details but I won't bore you.

I am curious to know what was expected out of the city by meeting your investors, and also what you or others think the citys' responsibility regarding housing.   If I was on their council I believe I would say,  show us what you plan to build, where and when, and what you need from us and we will aprove/or deny your building permit/zoning requests.    I am sure your story was , understandably, the very condensed version - but from what you did provide, I had to wonder why the city would want to meet with investors?  Unless the investors presented their plans/requests at a council meeting and the city  denied the requests for building/zoning permits for short-sighted unreasonable reasons, I guess I don't understand how they are in the wrong.   IMO -  if someone has plans for development the citys' involvement is pretty cut and dry - the developer brings their very detailed plans and requests to the city and they aprove or deny based on if the request is best for the city...but they should not be looked at as partners in any deal.

Unless you were up on what exactly the city was talking like at the time it would be hard to understand.  Basically the city was begging for multi-family housing.  Even went to the state and got some interesting financial packages put together.  But that was long after I brought them people that wanted to build complexes.  They were talking the talk but not walking the walk so to speak.  I even had these people sit down with a local banker and were going to use the local bank and local contractors including myself.  I was a general contractor at the time.  At the very least they should have offered tax breaks to entice the construction but they didn't offer anything.  My banker was absolutely disgusted.  And this guy believe it or not writes approx %80 of all new commercial loans in the city.  The city also owned the dirt to build these complexes on.  We wanted to buy large parcels and they wouldn't even budge on the price with written guarantees on building these things.  They were so damn desperate at the time they should have given them the land.  It's was basically the good old boys network at the time.  But since then they have been under so much pressure they had to throw that under the bus.  The city has now been taken over by builders from Montana and Idaho.  And of course the flood of illegals to go along with it.  But that's another subject.