Wildlife group and badlands minerals

I gotta side with the whacko environmentalists on this one.  Making a few "roadless" areas in our state was a great idea, and they should stay that way.  There is plenty of acreage that can be drilled before they get to these areas.

  I agree.. some things just need to be off limits...

ggenthusiast Said:
I gotta side with the whacko environmentalists on this one.  Making a few "roadless" areas in our state was a great idea, and they should stay that way.  There is plenty of acreage that can be drilled before they get to these areas.

ggenthusiast Said:
I gotta side with the whacko environmentalists on this one.  Making a few "roadless" areas in our state was a great idea, and they should stay that way.  There is plenty of acreage that can be drilled before they get to these areas.

Why is it that if a person believes conservation is important they are whacko environmentalists ?  I just don't get it.    I know there are wacky people out there that have no clue,  I can't argue that.

Totally agree. In the scope of things this would be a small area to keep off limits. There will never be enough roadless areas to hunt in this state - especially in mule deer country!

I also think it would be a good gesture to the general public as a state to say we're not so money hungry that we have to drill every possible square inch of oil country at all costs, when there's plenty of other areas that can and will be drilled.
 

ggenthusiast Said:
I gotta side with the whacko environmentalists on this one.  Making a few "roadless" areas in our state was a great idea, and they should stay that way.  There is plenty of acreage that can be drilled before they get to these areas.

I'm guessing it's because the Sierra Club is involved and generally speaking...

Geothermal Said:

ggenthusiast Said:
I gotta side with the whacko environmentalists on this one.  Making a few "roadless" areas in our state was a great idea, and they should stay that way.  There is plenty of acreage that can be drilled before they get to these areas.

Why is it that if a person believes conservation is important they are whacko environmentalists ?  I just don't get it.    I know there are wacky people out there that have no clue,  I can't argue that.

 What,s with "environmental whackos??  were it not for people like this you probably wouldn't.s be hunting day.  maybe a little fishing is all.

The environmental whackos you are referring to - which I have no clue who that might be (unless your categorizing anyone who has had anything to do with wildlife preservation, etc. as such) - are not the same whackos ggenthusiast is referring to (I assume).

What environmental whacko group supports the preservation of hunting rights? 

bobkat Said:
 What,s with "environmental whackos??  were it not for people like this you probably wouldn't.s be hunting day.  maybe a little fishing is all.

I guess I was just pointing out that there are indeed some environmentalist whackos out there, and that I am on their side concerning this issue.  I'm not saying that everyone who is for conservation is an environmentalist whacko.

bobkat Said:
 What,s with "environmental whackos??  were it not for people like this you probably wouldn't.s be hunting day.  maybe a little fishing is all.

Depends on the whacko. Hunters contribute more to conservation than any other group.

What happened to the Drill Baby Drill that one constantly reads here on conservativebuddy.com?  Kind of ironic how when it starts happening in YOUR sandbox you suddenly want regs and rules.  Isn't this what all of you have been asking and preaching for?  No regs, no rules, no government interference, just Drill Baby Drill?

BringingTheRain Said:

Depends on the whacko. Hunters contribute more to conservation than any other group.

Did you you mean license $$$ goes towards conservation? Or hands on conservation practices ?

gonefshn Said:
What happened to the Drill Baby Drill that one constantly reads here on conservativebuddy.com?  Kind of ironic how when it starts happening in YOUR sandbox you suddenly want regs and rules.  Isn't this what all of you have been asking and preaching for?  No regs, no rules, no government interference, just Drill Baby Drill?

Believe me, it is "drill baby drill" out here.  With all the acreage the Williston Basin covers, there seems no reason to start in on the few roadless tracts we have left.  Actually, it makes sense to keep these areas as a stategic reserve in case we really need them someday.

Geothermal Said:

BringingTheRain Said:

Depends on the whacko. Hunters contribute more to conservation than any other group.

Did you you mean license $$$ goes towards conservation? Or hands on conservation practices ?

Both. Pheasants Forever, Ducks Unlimited, Delta Waterfowl, RMEF, NWTF, SCI, Quail Forever, The Wildlife Society, Boone and Crockett Club, National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, etc etc.

gonefshn Said:
What happened to the Drill Baby Drill that one constantly reads here on conservativebuddy.com?  Kind of ironic how when it starts happening in YOUR sandbox you suddenly want regs and rules.  Isn't this what all of you have been asking and preaching for?  No regs, no rules, no government interference, just Drill Baby Drill?

I, as a fairly conservative, independent-minded, conservation loving, fishing and hunting fanatic take umbridge with your premise.  I dare say you would have a tough time finding a post from anyone on here who says there should be "no regs, no rules...".  Plenty of our FBO members take issue with implementation of rules and regs when it affects them and NIMBY is always present, but your post is way off the mark to me.

p.s.  I support the governor's choice to table this sale until more can be learned, or a trade can be ironed out as is suggested in the article.  Once they are leased there isn't much a person can do to stop it.

Gonefishn,

I think you're reaching on your response (pot stirring?) or I must have missed the posts you're referring to. I haven't seen anyone on here say that we should be going at this boom with absolutely no regs.

But, I enjoy a good pot stirring so...

I can't speak for the other guys on here, but I fully support the use of our natural resources as long as there is proper management on all levels. I would never support complete deregulation of any natural resource.

In the scope of things it's a small chunk of land and more than that, according to the article it is supposed to be a special protection area. That is what gets me more than anything, not really a NIMBY issue.

Based on the fact I mentioned above, it shouldn't even be an issue at all. But then again when there's lots of money and politicians involved all bets are off.

 Wasn't trying to repeat what Allen said, I started my response and then had to leave it and then finished and posted it before I read Allens response.

Atypical Said:
Gonefishn,

I think you're reaching on your response (pot stirring?) or I must have missed the posts you're referring to. I haven't seen anyone on here say that we should be going at this boom with absolutely no regs.

But, I enjoy a good pot stirring so...

I can't speak for the other guys on here, but I fully support the use of our natural resources as long as there is proper management on all levels. I would never support complete deregulation of any natural resource.

In the scope of things it's a small chunk of land and more than that, according to the article it is supposed to be a special protection area. That is what gets me more than anything, not really a NIMBY issue.

Based on the fact I mentioned above, it shouldn't even be an issue at all. But then again when there's lots of money and politicians involved all bets are off.

That's what I'm trying to get at.  How do you find that balance between protecting resources and allowing the drilling/mining/whatever?  People who live where this happens want their lives left alone.  Corporations want to get those resources at the lowest possible cost with the least restrictions so they can make the most money.  That's exactly what all the "rules" these big companies are constantly blasting are about.  It's easy for everyone here to say Drill Baby Drill when it comes to the beautiful pristine gulf areas or the artic areas.  But when it comes to "our" sandbox suddenly rules and regs are needed and some areas should be left alone.