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Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?

by , Posted to on 03/25/2013 11:28 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/24/2002
Location: ND
there is a guy selling 550 .22 Federal Shells for $60...

Can we really blame the government for everything? I am so tired of the greed that people have when there is fear.

Trust me, I don't like the government messing in my business but there are a lot of the same people using people's fear as a reason to take advantage of them and also stoking the fire hotter on the ammo shortage issue.

I know I know... free market and all... but even the local gun dealer pissed me off... I went in and bought a few hundred dollars worth of reloading supplies and they just received a DPMS in on trade and said no one had spoken for it... I said to call me when they had a price and he said that their manager would be in within a half hour and they would call.

Two hours later I call down there and ask if they had a price... oh we sold it, sorry. Then the next day I see the very same model on Bisman... with the size of the town I live in there is a very...very low possibility that the very same AR would go up for sale the very next day. A guy tries to keep it local and that's the thanks I got...

It is very depressing to think about how many people cry for sportsman to unite and use one voice with so many taking advantage of each other... ethics are just not what they use to be.

Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 11:51 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/28/2001
Location: ND
You should shop at Koenigs Firearm Sales. I have a written waiting list for AR's, 22 shells, etc. I keep track of who asked first and who wants what. As for people buying firearms and than selling them the next day, that is illegal. Someone without an FFL is allowed to sell a gun of their own here and there. It is illegal to buy and sell several firearms and sell them the next day for profit. They call that "engaged in the business" which requires an FFL. I am selling out of my house for now but hoping to have a store some day. As for the ammo shortage, I don't know what to say. I think they could make enough 22 ammo to have a surplus no matter what if they wanted too. Any ammo for that matter. I can't even get 30-30 ammo right now. How much demand could there be for that right now?
Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 12:05 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/18/2006
Location: ND
 Let's just hope things return to somewhat normal before another shooting happens!!!
Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 12:08 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
 60 bucks?   I was at a pretty big gunshow this weekend and had a shopping list for some of my shooting buddies back in ND.   Ammo and reloading equipment, no guns.  Saw severaldealerssellingbricks of ordinary . .22 shells for 180 to 200 bucks!   Couldn,t believe it!  A decent markup(supplyanddemand) is one thing, but this is ridiculous!

Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 12:23 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
 The explanation is:

"The fragility of a supply chain that has moved entirely to just-in-time inventory."

Nobody in any industry at any level of supply from raw product to finished goods wants to bear the cost of carrying surplus inventory, so, no matter what the reason, when demand spikes, you get what we've got now.  

With the vast data capture that happens around every transaction for every product/service and ease of mining that data for trends in purchase/sales history the whole "Just-in-Time" thing works, until it doesn't.

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by on 03/25/2013 12:27 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/13/2006
Location: ND
Would people be flocking to buy everything if the whitehouse hadn't called for strict gun laws? The answer is no, so yes blame the govt.
Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 12:54 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/14/2010
Location: ND
Enslow Said:
Would people be flocking to buy everything if the whitehouse hadn't called for strict gun laws? The answer is no, so yes blame the govt.


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Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 1:12 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/24/2002
Location: ND
 One unique aspect of .22lr is that it can be easily used in pistols or rifles. The low cost and wide adoption are interrelated; the round is popular partly because it is inexpensive, and it is inexpensive because it is popular. Modern production tops two billion rounds per year, far more than any other cartridge.
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by on 03/25/2013 1:24 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/17/2004
Location: ND
marauder29 Said:
there is a guy selling 550 .22 Federal Shells for $60...

Well that's better than this.....



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Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 1:48 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/18/2013
Location: ND
People need to stop buying ammo for two weeks. Thats all it'd take to get it back on the shelves and subside the fear in everyone's minds.

Right now if someone actually NEEDS 100 rounds of ammo, they are going to buy 500 or more.  If someone NEEDS 500, they're going to buy 1000+

Multiply that by all the guys and gals in this country that shoot, and you have a shortage of ammo.


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by on 03/25/2013 2:08 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/04/2007
Location: ND
Wags86 Said:
Enslow Said:
Would people be flocking to buy everything if the whitehouse hadn't called for strict gun laws? The answer is no, so yes blame the govt.


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Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 2:32 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/27/2006
Location: ND
Demand is high.  Why aren't the ammo manufacturers ramping up production? 

-Justin
Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 2:36 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/22/2003
Location: ND
 I will sell you 900 rounds of that amscor 22 for that.  It's target ammo, not your average plinking ammo.  Heck you can have it all for $75.

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by on 03/25/2013 2:40 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/28/2001
Location: ND
I can get 22LR for $18/brick when it comes back in stock. With tax and shipping it will still be under $30. "Cheaper than dirt" should change their name maybe to "more expensive than gold." That is getting screwed to the max.
bckhntr Said:
marauder29 Said:
there is a guy selling 550 .22 Federal Shells for $60...

Well that's better than this.....





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by on 03/25/2013 3:08 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/15/2005
Location: SD
dakota1977 Said:
Demand is high.  Why aren't the ammo manufacturers ramping up production? 

-Justin

Because like most firearm mfg. right now, they are at full production.  They can't make any more. 

I think it's freaking hilarious.  All these guys out there gouging the crap out of each other for an AR or a box of .22 shells.  That's what the world has come to.  Blame the gov't for causing it all you want, it's the next guy down the street screwing another that is perpetuating the issue.  We only hurt ourselves....

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by on 03/25/2013 3:09 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/12/2003
Location: ND
 
dakota1977 Said:
Demand is high.  Why aren't the ammo manufacturers ramping up production? 

-Justin

I ran into a rep from an ammo company last Friday.  They're running @ full capacity 24hrs/day.  Even if there were more loading capacity, who knows if there is enough componentry.

That's what I mean by the fragile supply chain.

When the finished product becomes in short supply the ramp up for every step of production and procurement happens in reverse order.  That's why it takes so long, additionally, working from front to back like that, by the time some mining company puts more staff on to mine copper or lead, the increased need for bullet cores, jackets/plating and copper for brass production from the ammo company might be long gone.


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by on 03/25/2013 5:43 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/27/2006
Location: ND
I know someone that's gotten heavily into buying the re-loading equipment (including the dyes/lead to make his own bullets).  He says the prices on those items has skyrocketed as well.  I gotta hand it to the guy though.  He has bough SO MUCH, I don't think he will ever have to worry about having ammunition for himself/family.  It's amazing.  Never seen anything like it in my life!

-Justin
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by on 03/25/2013 5:53 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/05/2007
Location: MN
DemocRATS are the cause of all this. remember this next election!!
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Re: Why is your ammo so expensive and hard to find?
by on 03/25/2013 5:59 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/18/2013
Location: ND
Yeah, and people like him....buying up a lifetime supply of stuff all at once....are EXACTLY whats causing this problem.

I've seen it firsthand......daily....since this whole thing started.....there are people hoarding. And they guys that are hoarding, are typically the guys that don't shoot much. Not everyone falls into that category but its the majority on most counts.

dakota1977 Said:
I know someone that's gotten heavily into buying the re-loading equipment (including the dyes/lead to make his own bullets).  He says the prices on those items has skyrocketed as well.  I gotta hand it to the guy though.  He has bough SO MUCH, I don't think he will ever have to worry about having ammunition for himself/family.  It's amazing.  Never seen anything like it in my life!

-Justin


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by on 03/25/2013 6:17 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/27/2006
Location: ND
Yes, I suppose he could be classified as hoarding.  However, he's been hoarding for all the 36 years I've known him.  LOL!  And while the rest of us have a shortage and wonder if we can find a store to buy a box of .22 shells to go gopher hunting this spring, he will not have that problem now or another 36 years from now.  LOL. 

I've got to hand it to him.  He always told me... years and years prior to all these runs on ammo recently... "Buy it while you can, because you never know when you may not be able to get what you need."  I always chuckled at him, but guess what... HE WAS RIGHT... and I should have listened to him.  :o)

Some of us have foresight... others of us convince ourselves that, "Nah, they'll never do anything to affect our gun ownership."  :o)  At the end of the day, if people weren't concerned about their gun rights we probably wouldn't be in the position we are.  Supply and demand... and right now demand is very high. 

-Justin
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by on 03/25/2013 6:36 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/28/2001
Location: ND
Horsager Said:
 
dakota1977 Said:
Demand is high.  Why aren't the ammo manufacturers ramping up production? 

-Justin

I ran into a rep from an ammo company last Friday.  They're running @ full capacity 24hrs/day.  Even if there were more loading capacity, who knows if there is enough componentry.

That's what I mean by the fragile supply chain.

When the finished product becomes in short supply the ramp up for every step of production and procurement happens in reverse order.  That's why it takes so long, additionally, working from front to back like that, by the time some mining company puts more staff on to mine copper or lead, the increased need for bullet cores, jackets/plating and copper for brass production from the ammo company might be long gone.


I can believe that but where is the product going? I never see it listed in stock at wholesale websites. I have it on want lists. I suppose the big stores don't buy from a wholesaler and just buy from the company. Too bad for us little guys because by the time things get back to normal, everyone will have what they want, after overpaying for it at Scheels, etc.

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