Why do guys burn sloughs???

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Why do guys burn sloughs???

I put in a search on FBO for this topic and found nothing.  I'm not complaining or bagging on anyone for doing it, but I don't understand the logic behind it.  I've participated in the practice in my youth, but was never given a good answer as to why.  I've been told it's to get rid of weed seeds, but by the time fall rolls around the weeds have already set seed and the seeds are dispersed, so that doesn't make any sense to me.  Anybody have something other than the weed thing or tradition?

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I believe that in order to get paid for those acres they are required to "attempt" to farm that land.  Burning it clears off enough of the nondesirable plants to let them get closer with their machinery, and in very dry years they may be able to plant in some of the smaller low spots.  It also prevents the snow from drifting in to those areas and later producing large amounts of runoff in the spring.  This is what I was told once fwiw.

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 Doesn't catch snow then. In hopes of being dry in spring

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So the weeds/cattails do not plug up the chisel plow/implement. Easier to get through. Might be able to farm it in the spring, might not depending on if they fill up again with water.

 
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I can understand the snow thing.  That one makes sense.   However, when the sloughs are over 100 yards from a road, the snow buildup issue starts to loose steam.  Also, I thought the sloughs were covered under the sodbuster or water conservation rules that prevented farming.  At least when I was in the farm program, I was told I couldn't touch the sloughs or "wetlands" that were identified on the FSA maps.  According to them, any area that grows cattails can be labeled a "wetland" and I couldn't do anything to it. 

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You can't farm where the wetland has not previously been used for farming then it is not considered part of an established operation, and therefore requires a permit. So if it has been farmed before it was a slough you can burn. I believe that is correct.

 
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Easy....it scares up them bick bucks that hold super tight.

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multi-species-angler Said:
Easy....it scares up them bick bucks that hold super tight.

I've seen that done before.........what a rodeo that turned out to be.

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You can't farm where the wetland has not previously been used for farming then it is not considered part of an established operation, and therefore requires a permit. So if it has been farmed before it was a slough you can burn. I believe that is correct.

Yep, that sounds about right skoalie.  I remember that now.  We had to go way back into the farm history to nail down the wetlands.  WOW, what 12 years will do to the memory.  Thanks!! 

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 it think it is farmers trying to make an extra buck.  with a dry year and the crop prices they way they have been.  they are able to burn their sloughs.  and turn them into farm land.  i have no problem with them taking out a slough but they should have to put something back into the dirt. with all the belts and sloughs/crp fields going down. there wont be much left out there for the sportsmen.

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Game_Pig Said:
 it think it is farmers trying to make an extra buck.  with a dry year and the crop prices they way they have been.  they are able to burn their sloughs.  and turn them into farm land.  i have no problem with them taking out a slough but they should have to put something back into the dirt. with all the belts and sloughs/crp fields going down. there wont be much left out there for the sportsmen.

You're right, but sometimes us sportsmen have to remember we do take a back seat to other people's property, a private farmer's business, and food production.  In fact, our opinion pretty much comes last when that slough is in the decision making process of being burned.

And many or them do put something back....corn and sunflowers, endless acres of wildlife refuge/food.  Just because we can't hunt it doesn't mean it's not beneficial.

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Game_Pig Said:
 it think it is farmers trying to make an extra buck.  with a dry year and the crop prices they way they have been.  they are able to burn their sloughs.  and turn them into farm land.  i have no problem with them taking out a slough but they should have to put something back into the dirt. with all the belts and sloughs/crp fields going down. there wont be much left out there for the sportsmen.

I have an idea. If you "sportsman" come out and help plant trees in a shelterbelt, weed the shelterbelt, and trim the dead branches in that shelterbelt, then you may hunt that shelterbelt for as many years as you keep it up.  I do feel bad for you though, the farmers are doing a terrible job, taking your land and turning it into profit when they should be leaving it alone for your pheasants and deer. We do a good job leaving the signs off the posts so you may come in and hunt, even without having to stop in to ask. But if its a dry year and we can finally get back into our hay fields that have been flooded for years, im sorry but were going to cut it down.  Cows have to eat too,  If we take half a slough away that you've hunted for years, atleast we know there will be moisture on that ground the next year if it is as dry. 

 

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alot of these sloughs are farm land the ones that are not are non cropland, so if a farmer pays rent on that ground. or is making a payment to the bank it only makes sence to try and farm that ground

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We have also burned sloughs on crp to produce more open water in future for ducks/geese. G&f approve it on one quarter every 3 years or so. It makes for nice open pond for year or two.

Yep, we also burn them to farm through them. Burning it and driving through it is way easier than going around it. You can't drain wetlands, but you can farm them if they are dry.

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kdm Said:

multi-species-angler Said:
Easy....it scares up them bick bucks that hold super tight.

I've seen that done before.........what a rodeo that turned out to be.

skoalongcut Said:
You can't farm where the wetland has not previously been used for farming then it is not considered part of an established operation, and therefore requires a permit. So if it has been farmed before it was a slough you can burn. I believe that is correct.

Yep, that sounds about right skoalie.  I remember that now.  We had to go way back into the farm history to nail down the wetlands.  WOW, what 12 years will do to the memory.  Thanks!! 

I figured you would have said " Wow what a 12 pack will do to amemory" ahhaha