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Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??

by , Posted to on 04/01/2010 10:25 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/24/2008
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Hearing held on North Dakota land buy proposal 

BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — A McKenzie County commissioner says the group is likely to oppose a proposal by the American Foundation for Wildlife to buy nearly 1,000 acres of land in northwest North Dakota.

Richard Cayko says more than 40 percent of the land in the county already is owned by the state or federal government.

The wildlife group already owns more than 1,700 acres near the confluence of the Missouri and Yellowstone rivers. The foundation wants to buy the new tract and transfer it to the state Game and Fish Department as a wildlife management area.

A public hearing was held Tuesday. The county commission and the state Natural Areas Acquisition Advisory Committee will make recommendations to the governor, who has the final say on land purchases by nonprofits.

 
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 07:24 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I don't know this particular entity, but any organization that buys land in premo hunting and fishing areas  and then gifts it to the state under the condition that it be used only for a public hunting and access area can't be all bad.

That Missouri River area up there by the confluence was some of the more difficult to get on for hunting purposes and while at one time the previous owner allowed paddlefishermen to access the shoreline, that was getting less and less over time.
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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 09:22 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Mauser I'm curious to your opinion on this?  Does it fall into landowners rights to sell land to whom they want?  Or does the pay to hunt groups have priority over keeping land locked up to protect their interests?  Or is it truely a tax base issue and the county may go bankrupt is they don't get the $1500 a year from this property? 
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 09:29 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Or perhaps it's simply many peoples principle belief the govt owns enough land. 40% of any one county is a significant amount.
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 09:53 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Isn't the government the people?  Is it such a bad thing to have the people of the state own and access some more land?  GST you could answer the question about landowner rights I queried above.
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 10:07 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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swift Said:
Or is it truely a tax base issue and the county may go bankrupt is they don't get the $1500 a year from this property? 
That aint it, cause the GNF pays in lieux of tax payments to counties in which they own property.

I don't have any problem with more Wildlife management areas, just wish they were spread out across the state more. There is already plenty of public land out west, but more is needed in the eastern half of ND IMO. I'm sure land values have alot to do with that, fertile farm land is alot more spendy then pasture land out west.

 
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by on 04/02/2010 10:19 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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swift Said:
Mauser I'm curious to your opinion on this?  Does it fall into landowners rights to sell land to whom they want?  Or does the pay to hunt groups have priority over keeping land locked up to protect their interests?  Or is it truely a tax base issue and the county may go bankrupt is they don't get the $1500 a year from this property? 
I have not formed an opion yet untill I can find out who these people are (American Foundation for Wildlife).    Yes I keep a close eye on any thing that might against landowner rights.   Do you look out for your profession ?  Believe it or not I do have respect for some people on this site.   I just never heard of this group and if Allen hasn't it tells me they should be looked into. 

 
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 10:24 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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This is one of those stand in the middle things for me.  This same group I believe bought the other river bottom land and turned it over as well.  Yes, good for the sportsman.  On the other hand, gst is right, 40% of the county is government owned.  There's good and bad with that.

I guess I'll just say it is important to have the county commission and citizens raising concerns.  It is a big deal when big groups are able to severely out-bid.  Couple in the government factor and it becomes sometimes a rather slippery slope.  There needs to be guarantees in my opinion.  Look at what the Corp (federal government) was and probably still is trying to do with Lake Sakakawea land.  There are things not right with transactions like that.

So here I am, standing on the fence again.




 
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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 10:27 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 10:29 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 10:34 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 10:41 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 11:07 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
This is one of those stand in the middle things for me.  This same group I believe bought the other river bottom land and turned it over as well.  Yes, good for the sportsman.  On the other hand, gst is right, 40% of the county is government owned.  There's good and bad with that.

I guess I'll just say it is important to have the county commission and citizens raising concerns.  It is a big deal when big groups are able to severely out-bid.  Couple in the government factor and it becomes sometimes a rather slippery slope.  There needs to be guarantees in my opinion.  Look at what the Corp (federal government) was and probably still is trying to do with Lake Sakakawea land.  There are things not right with transactions like that.

So here I am, standing on the fence again.
I'm not entirely sure it's fair to compare land controlled by the federal government (corps of engineers) with land that will be handed over and controlled by the state government (NDG&F Dept.). Everything I've heard about this group has been good, however I must admit I didn't look at the links Tim provided.

It seems to me the thing that gets forgotten about during discussions like this is the property rights of the person who owns that land in the first place. What about their rights to sell their property to whomever they wish? I know of several cases in the northeastern part of the state where someone has tried to sell land to a wildlife organization and the deal came apart because the governor vetoed the sale. WTF??? It amazes me when the same people on here continually talk about "landowner rights" however they seem to think it's OK for the governor of the state to have the power to veto a sale of land between a willing seller and a willing buyer. You can't have it both ways boys, as much as you'd like to.  
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 11:30 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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the only time i ever have a problem w/ sales of these types is when the sale results in the land being set aside for perpetuity to serve as a refuge of sorts.  if you take large chunks of land out of circulation so it is no longer provides any economic benefit and prevent the public from accessing it, i'll have an issue.  but, even then, i am not so sure i would be vocal about it or try to stop it; cause i do believe in the right of a landowner to sell his land to whoever he wants.  and i believe the person(s) who buy it should be able to do whatever they want w/ it as long as there isn't some great harm to the general public. 

however, this is not one of those cases.  the land will still be accessible to the public.  if the G & F is willing to take on the responsibility and the expense, i am all for it.  i'll take another WMA any time, any place. 
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Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 12:04 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Mauser,  I don't understand the exchange.  I agree with you.  Landowners should have the right to sell their land to whomever they wish.  Like DU, RMEF or the AFW.  The AFW is a new name to an old group.  They bought the Neu land and the Ochs land at and near the confluence of the Yellowstone and Missouri rivers and turned it over the Game and Fish as a wildlife management area. 

40% of the county is in public has no bearing when you figure that the National grasslands comprise the vast majority of that land.  Kind of like saying Montana shouldn't have public owned land because the Bob Marshall and other forest service lands comprise a high percentage of land. 
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 12:06 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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http://www.awildfound.org/About.html  is NOT the group.  Not even close.  The "American Wildlife foundation"    is not the American Foundation for Wildlife. 
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 12:09 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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espringers,
 
Exactly right. It seems there is somewhat of a hypocritical attitude with some on FBO, they use "landowner rights" to justify and defend such things as HFH, yet as soon as someone else trys to sell or transfer their land to a government entity, or an organization such as ducks unlimited, they scream bloody murder about that.

It almost seems that if it fits their belief it's alright, however if it doesn't fit their belief then it's not alright, but I'm sure that's not the case at all............
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 12:20 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The property, owned by five landowners, stretches along 1.4 miles of the south bank of the Missouri River. An unusual feature of the tract is a large, old river channel oxbow wetland. This wetland fills with backflow waters whenever either the Missouri or Yellowstone flows are very high.

The tract has never been used for crop production and has not been grazed since 2001 because of difficult access.
 
Interesting that this is basically set aside land that has not produced in 9 years and then just pasture grazing is so important to the county.   Would somebody please explain what the downside of allowing this acquistion to go through?
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 12:28 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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American Foundation-Wildlife2000 University Drive, Bismarck, ND 58504-8203(701) 222-0266
It looks to be a local operation without a website.  I've never been called by them for donations.  They seem to run a low key organization that gets results judging by their ability to get the Ochs and Neu parcels for the public.  I wish they would do a press release about who they are and what their goals are.
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 3:36 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/59-2005/bill-text/FQSG0200.pdf

This is the legislative action that addresses what groups are involved in this decision. The public, thru their legislators had a say in structuring this thru this legislation.

director of parks and recreation
nd ag commisioner
nd state forrester
director of NDG&F
representative of NDFU
representative of NDFB
representative of NDSA
county commissioner

It is comprised of 3 "public" lands groups, 3 "private" lands groups, the ag dept, and the local entity, with the govenor providing the final detrermination.
 
Much like a city council meets and votes on wether I can sell privately owned property within city limits to industrial companies, zoning  ect......
There are other examples of property rights not being absolute. The govt right to emminent domain one of them, as well as states, counties, cities and townships being able to legislate and regulate. However most understand that an infringement on ANY property right, wether it is in a rural or urban setting must be examined thouroughly and weighed carefully as the ability to use ones property unencumbered by excessive govt regulation and infringement is addressed in the constituion. This ND Natural Areas Aquisition Advisory Committee does just that. What is important to remember, in ND  counties are given considerable influence in manners such as these, and usually it is however these counties (thru the county commisioners recomendation from his county committee representing all of that county) rule that the govenor supports.
Re: Who is the American Foundation for Wildlife ??
by on 04/02/2010 3:45 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Unfortunately that looks like a stacked deck against sportsman in the state.  Mckenzie county fought the Ochs and Neu acquistion and lost we can only hope the govenor can see fit to allow this acquisition of non-productive land into something that can be productive for outdoorsman.  I vote to replace the NDFU from the list with the AFW.
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