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Whitetail Killzone

by , Posted to on 12/30/2005 3:43 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/01/2005
Location: ND
I finally got a deer with my bow about a week ago(!!!) After sticking two other deer I finally got one good and it only went about 50 or 60 yards. It's a pretty small doe but it was my last chance to fill my tag. Anyway, it was a frontside shot because an older doe had picked me off the two days previous and I wanted to get a shot off before she was within the vacinity. I put it into the little doe's chest from about ten yards. I thought I went thru the chest and the arrow came out the side. But when I skinned the deer I found that the arrow had gone through the shoulder and run along the outside of the ribs and when the animal started kicking around it pushed the broadhead into the rear of the chest cavity, causing further damage to an already broken rib. I believe that what actually killed the deer was that I put the arrow sort of where the neck and chest meet and took out a major artery, and maybe injurred the windpipe. There was a LOT of blood and the thing didn't go far. I pretty much just got lucky. Although small, the deer has been very tasty. Anyway, my question is, is it plausible to but an arrow into a deer's chest from the front? I shot a buck this way with my bow and never found him. I doubt it penetrated the chest cavity. If you've got a heavy and fast enough draw, can you ever reasonably stick a deer in the chest? An arrow has no problem ripping thru the ribs from the side, have I just been unlucky not being able to penetrate the body cavity from the front?
Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder.
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by on 12/30/2005 3:58 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/28/2005
Location: ND
Doesn't sound like a shot I would take but you would think it should penetrate right through to the vitals. I practice more on the 'Patience" for the broadside shot. Maybe I am wrong and should be taking some of these odd shots, I haven't got a deer with my bow yet, but have had chances on these frontal shots and decided to pass.
There's no bag limit on happiness.
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by on 12/30/2005 3:58 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/13/2003
Location: ND
The frontal shot is not a good one with a bow. Stop wounding deer and wait for a good broadside or quartering away shot. We owe it to the animal to make a quick clean kill.
 
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by on 12/30/2005 4:08 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/25/2002
Location: ND
AMEN HUNTNFISHND!!
There has been way too much talk of people taking marginal shots that they are obviously questioning the effectiveness of. Show some respect to the animal and take confident shots that have been practiced time and time again. It absolutely makes me sick to see a wounded deer or even worse a dead deer that has been left to lay. I know a lost deer happens once in a great while, but it's are duty as sportsman to do the best that we can to harvest the animal in a quick clean kill.
The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the decendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter.- Finn Aagard
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by on 12/30/2005 4:29 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
The only time I have ever taken a straight on shot was back in the 80's, and it was the 1st deer I ever tagged with a bow. I shot her at very close range - less than 5 yards - and the arrow went in the front and exited out the rear. A pass-through shot, and the hard way to boot! The doe ended up jumping over me (or it seemed like it - I think I shut me eyes) and piled up right behind me - dead! It was probably a lucky shot, but it definitely worked! I have had a few what I consider real good shots that weren't near as effective...

Pat
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by on 12/30/2005 4:34 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/11/2002
Location: ND
I believe that as long as you have a clear shooting lane and you know where your bow hits that a frontal shot can be done and is effective. I don't recommend the shot but i'm not going to say that it can't be done. I know people who have done it and killed many deer. The last deer i shot this year was at ten yards facing me and i passed the shot up and waited for a slightly quartering shot. I should mention that i mainly think that for a frontal shot you should be on the ground or not very high up in a tree stand. I am pretty sure that my 70# buckmaster would send an arrow well into the kill zone on a frontal shot. This is just my opinion though.
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by on 12/30/2005 4:52 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/20/2002
Location: MT
A chest shot isn't a good shot to take. In the chest there is alot of fatty area and loose skin. The deer will not bleed much or will not bleed at all if hit in that area. The deer will die but will bleed inside. The fat will plug the hole. These deer will travel long distances before they die.
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by on 12/30/2005 5:24 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2005
Location: ND
cmon guys, ever watch the outdoor channel???? I've seen 2 frontal shots that I can think of. One was on an elk and the other was on bear. So don't say that frontal shots shouldn't be taken.........it's not an ideal place to shoot them but if it's the only shot, sometimes you don't have a choice. I myself have taken 1 frontal shot...on a doe. It entered her windpipe and exited through her stomach. It ran about 10-15 yards and dropped. I'm surprised how many people are ripping on this guy for taking a shot like this, now I know it's not the 'ideal' shot to take, but it CAN be lethal. I guess I would peronally rather shoot in the chest. Just had to comment on all the guys saying it's a terrible shot and it will only wound deer. anyone else taken a shot like this, I'd love to hear about it ; )
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by on 12/30/2005 8:24 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/27/2005
Location: ND
Congratulations on getting your deer! Man, I wonder what fish think when we foul hook them, or practice catch and release! OUCH, if fish could only talk. Good job on your kill.

 
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by on 12/30/2005 9:12 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
A head on chest shot is a bad shot, thats all there is to it. Sure, you can put a deer down with it; you can also put a deer down by shooting it in the butt, although you may have to chase it a while. :)

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by on 12/30/2005 9:31 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2005
Location: ND
ok, stevo, first of all, I didn't say that because I saw it on tv that it meant it was the best way to take a shot on an animal, I was merely pointing out that those kind of shots CAN be taken. and I've proven it, and I'm sure other people here have too, I'm not looking down on myself one bit for taking the shot that I did, I thought it was a great shot and had a helluva story for the guys when I got back. Now personally, I've never killed a deer with a bow by hitting it in the ass, and if anyone has, with a bow, share that story, cuz I'd love to hear that one. I've hit deer in the chest and never found em, thought I made good shots, just didn't pan out.
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by on 12/30/2005 10:30 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/12/2004
Location: ND
I know of a guy who took a rear-end shot on his very first bow hunt. He hit left of the brown eye and stuck the arrow in the rump. The deer ran off and never to be tagged by the shooter. A few weeks later, the landowner saw the same deer grazing in his hay yard (arrow still hanging out!) and he felt to put the deer down to put it out of it's misery. Needless to say the landowner doesn't let bowhunters on his land anymore.
I too have seen the shows on TV where a few people took an elk or deer with a frontal shot. Pretty risky shot, but I guess anything placed in the right area would be deadly? I'll stick with broadside shooting...bigger area with better results!

Congrats on the deer tho!!!!!!
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by on 12/30/2005 10:43 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Ok Tator Tot, Lets look at your post again, you say you have seen frontal chest shots on the Outdoor Channel, so don
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by on 12/31/2005 07:43 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2005
Location: ND
agreed, end of discussion with me and you.
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by on 12/31/2005 09:44 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND
The truth is you can shoot a deer nearly anywhere with an arrow tipped with a sharp broadhead and kill it at least once in awhile. A neck shot will kill an occassional deer, but many more will only be injured. Same with a frontal shot, if the arrow hits precisely the right spot it might kill the deer, but most will only be injured. Anyone who has gutted a few deer knows that the ribs meet between it's front legs, it's called the sternum, and it is extremely difficult to cut through that even with a sharp knife. Besides that the target area between the front legs of a deer looking at you is minimal, and don't forget the "looking at you" part either, as in watching you, ready to jump the string when you release. Both of these shots are ignorant shots to take because they are very low percentage shots.

On the other hand, a broadside shot or quartering away shot won't kill every deer either. A little low, high, too far back, too far forward, and you're out of the "sweet spot" and in for a long tracking job, maybe with nothing to show for it at the end of the trail. But both those shots are high percentage shots and the only ones an ethical hunter would take.

And at the risk of offending anyone, I'll say it again, "The only ones an ethical bowhunter would take."

If you want to take head shots, neck shots, or hind quarter shots there's no law against that. Just don't wonder why you're hitting 3 or 4 deer every year before you finally find a dead one at the end of the blood trail.

And if you don't understand this post I'd suggest going back up to Fox Island Outfitters post and read his again.
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by on 12/31/2005 2:08 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/02/2003
Location: ND
I think something we are forgetting on this topic is the difference in bow shooting skills and talent. Believe me I would never shoot a deer from the fron, because I dont trust myself to hit the perfect orange sized kill zone from the front. However with my skill level I can confidently take a broad side shot, or quartering shot and make a clean kill. I dont recommend EVER shooting a front shot, but if the guys skill level is consistantly good enough to cleanly kill the game from the front, we have no business ripping on him. However hearing of 3-4 deer lost a year does concern me to a certain extent. Congrats on your kill and happy new year to all!
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by on 12/31/2005 2:21 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
So what is the lesser of two evils: a front shot at less than 5 yards, or a broadside shot at greater than 40 yards? Everybody keeps talking about front shots not being a good shot, broadside is the only way to go, etc. - but nobody is talking about the rest of the circumstances. You get far enough out on a broadside shot, and pretty soon you are better off taking a front shot at close range. I guess I would take my chances with a 5 yard chip shot from the front over a 50+ yard broadside shot. I am not saying I would shoot then, but if I had to rate my chances of a kill shot - I think I would rate the front shot higher. Just my two cents though...

Pat
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by on 12/31/2005 3:08 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND
Cando Kid,
It should go without saying you never take a shot past your effective range be it 15 yards or 50 yards no matter what the angle. Or size of the rack, which by the way tempts some people to take risky shots also. I have the same regards for people lobbing arrows at 60 - 70 yards and beyond at antelope.

A frontal shot is a poor shot, no matter the archer, no matter the equipment, no matter the circumstances. Any bowhunter who has ever split the brisket of a dead deer should know better.

Sorry if some think I was "ripping" anyone, that wasn't really the intention. I just get tired of people taking a marginal shot on a deer with a bow and then coming on here looking for someone to tell them "Oh, don't worry about it, you did the best you could, you'll get another chance, there's lots of deer around."

walkswithwispers,
Congratulations on the deer. I don't agree with the shot you took, but glad you decided to take it on a fawn, their ribs aren't as big yet and you have a better chance of getting through them with a frontal shot than if it had been an adult deer. And you have every right to be proud of your deer, even if it's a small one. Any animal taken with archery equipment in a legal manner is a trophy in my books. Good job, just hope you learned something from the ones you lost earlier.
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by on 01/01/2006 1:22 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/01/2005
Location: ND
Thanks for all the reply's guys. Even if you're being critical of the shot I took, I appreciate the input. Cando kid sort of hit the nail on the head. Earlier this season I was standing in the same spot and took a shot that was 25-30 yards at a doe and hit the shoulder blade and I never found her. The blood eventually ran out. I made a long post out of it. Anyway, when I was waiting for this little doe to turn, A bigger doe wandered in and was standing broadside in the exact same spot as the doe I'd stuck earlier. This doe had picked me off the 2 days previous and I had to make a quick decision - do I take a shot at this doe at 25-30 yards or the little one 8-10 yards in front of me (I'm also standing on the ground with no cover). It was the last day I would be able to get out so I figured my chances of that arrow blowing through the little doe's chest at 10 yards were better than my chances of getting a good still shot on the further doe before she picked me off again. I am new to bowhunting and haven't cleaned a lot of deer so I figured that I had a bigger target area in the chest than I actually did. Just to put this to rest, it was luck more than skill, and I won't take that kind of shot again. Once I skinned the deer I was able to see how it was very unplausable that I would penetrate the sternum on an average deer and I was lucky to have struck some major arteries on this one. However, with an animal this small I would not rule out penetrating the chest at that distance WITH ADEQUATE EQUIPMENT. From this experience, I would now advise others to NOT take a frontal shot. I stuck 2 other deer before this one. The firsdt was that doe, the secong a small buck that I took the same shot at in the same spot fron the same distance. I didn't find him but I was convinced that It was because of poor shooting. I did a lot of searching for that buck, but to no avail. I have to agree with the guys who've been "ripping" on me (no offense taken, it's constructive) because it is better to have no deer than to just go about flinging arrows at anything that moves.
Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder.
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by on 01/01/2006 7:19 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/20/2002
Location: MT
Walkswithwispers I forgot to say that I'm glad you got your deer. I hope you didn't think I was ripping you I just know a front chest shot isn't a good shot. Did that buck you hit in the chest ever bleed much. I have heard so many people say they hit deer in the chest like that and can never find them.
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by on 01/01/2006 7:34 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND
walkswithwhispers,
Glad to hear you have learned something from your first year of bowhunting. When I started 25+ years ago, there was no one to learn from, so I made many of the same mistakes you have, and I learned from them as well.

You said you had to make a quick decision as to what to do when both the doe and fawn appeared, but you left one choice out, and that was not to shoot at all. My advice to you, if you are new to bowhunting, and want any advice, is this. When you are practicing next summer, stand 20 yards from your target and shoot an arrow. If you can hit a 4" circle on your target with YOUR FIRST SHOT OF THE DAY, you should have no problem shooting at a deer from that distance. If you miss the 4" circle then the next day take the shot from 15 yards. If you hit the target from 20 yards try 25 next. Whatever distance you can hit a 4" circle from should be your furthest distance that you'd attempt to take a deer from. And using the first shot of the day is very important because in a hunting situation you won't have the opportunity of a couple warm up shots before shooting at the deer.

The thing you will find out if you stick with bowhunting is that every deer that steps into range won't provide you with a shot. I've had many deer within 10' of me over the years that just never presented a clean shot so I let them walk for another day. I haven't lost a deer in probably 15 years or so by picking my shots carefully, but I'm not trying to sound high and mighty as I lost some when I first started bowhunting by rushing the shots and also by taking shots that I had no business taking in the first place.

The first deer I shot with a bow was a small buck that only presented a shot at the hind quarters, which I took. I was hunting in a swamp south of Karlstad MN, and although I finally found the deer and finished it off after midnight, I spent the remainder of the night lost in the woods.

Stick with bowhunting and it will provide you with many memories. I know it's hard to pass on a shot when you finally get a deer close but at the wrong angle, but that's what makes bowhunting such a great sport. Peer pressure also doesn't help, as everyone wants to see some success, and nobody wants to be the only one who doesn't tag a deer. Anyways, congratulations again on tagging a deer!
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