Weimeraners

Bump. Really looking for thoughts here on how similar a wild GSP and a weim compare, anyone?

Trying to get a pic. up. Have an 8 month old weim. She is doing great in the field. Heck of a nose and is starting to retrieve birds real well. Havent seen the energy everyone talks about but she is out hunting and running alot.

A Dog is as good as as it's owner and a pointer is a pointer. The only difference between a Wemeraner and  GST; is that if you have time n the puppy stage, you can make a bad one a good one. GST's are either born wild or wilder. They'll point without coaching; but, don't pin your hopes on dinner. GST's are skinny for a reason---they eat feathers. Honor this point in the fact that if you choose a weim..plan on spending some time. If it is not personal.. it's lost. Kinda like the Chesapeake vs. Lab. Or Readheads vs Canvasbacks.  Difference between picking up birds or pickng up crap in the boulevard:is a time based theory on fetch. You can manipulate a weim if you have the tme. Personally; leaning towards a Schnauzer because pointing dogs don't speak. 

I have had 2 Weims. Both were very good pointers and just as good retrievers! The two I had were very competitive in the field. What I like most about the Weim....they know how to turn on the excitement when it comes to hunting and they know how to turn it off when at home on the couch. My Weimaraners were very laid back but excited in the field. I now have 2 GWP's. They stand at the back door and watch tweetie birds fly by the porch. They think about huntin 24/7. Now....Training....worse than a Chessie...in my opinion!! Both of mine were the most hard headed dogs I have ever been around. I think they are wonderful dogs and I would like to have another one someday. My only issue that I had with both of mine....they were a little more on the aggressive side. For instance....My male decided he wanted my hot wings more than i did and he stole them off of the counter while I was washing my hands. I came back....no hot wings. I soon realized whom the culprit was....So I took the dish towel and swatted him on the hind end with it and he turned and growled at me and showed his teeth. Anytime there was discipline involved he would growl at me. I raised him from an 8 week old pup so there was no previous abuse or anything. He was just aggressive. Weims thrive for attention and can make an awesome huntin buddy with a little time and hard work. As far as natural ability between a Weim and GSP....A GSP wins hands down. I love both breeds, however, if I had to choose I would pick a Weimaraner!

Good input guys.  And pretty dog there Dakota!

I think we are leaning towards a Weim for our next pup, we also have another GSP who's about 11 years old but hoping to get another couple years out of him.  Suspect we will have a deposit down on one out of Montana for a little to be born late this winter. 




Sheps. The GSP we just lost was fairly similar to your Weim by the sounds of it.  He wasn't overly aggressive towards people but he was really starting to feel entitled the past few years.  Garbage cans, sandwiches from kids' hand, etc. etc.  He only snapped at a human twice, both times they weren't entirely his fault as someone was messing with him when he was worked up from a doggy spat.  Not to excuse it, but if he had done it over food or anything else we would have had to get rid of him as I won't tolerate an aggressive towards a human dog. 

Be carefull when looking at weims. There are some really good line out there for weims. but there are some really bad lines too. They are such a beautiful dog that the show breeders and back yard guys over breed these dogs and really did damage to the breed. This is what happens when people breed for color and looks instead of for instincts, health and ability. With any dog take a close look at hips, knees, elbows and eyes. But with weims take a closer look at them and go back 3,4 or 5 previous generations. Personally I wouldn't look at one that didn't have NAVDHA titles in it's back ground. Good luck.

PikePits Said:
The only difference between a Wemeraner and  GST; is that if you have time n the puppy stage, you can make a bad one a good one. GST's are either born wild or wilder.

If you keep calling them GST's, the GSP guys are going to be in an uproar

Allen, have you ruled out a Vizsla?

 I have a Weim/Choc Lab mix pup.  he's 14mo old and is getting his first season in the field.  Yes, he's a little more strung with energy, but I control that with voice commands.  Once he begins pacing, or getting antsy, I just ignore him or tell him to "settle down" and he immediately sits.   

I think that you have better than 50% chance the breed will be a bit high strung.    My pup learns everything in an instant.  So far, I've not needed a check cord.  He has responded 100% by voice/whistle.  If anything, I'd almost prefer him getting a little further away from me while hunting.  He'll figure all that out in time and when he gains more field confidence.   

I really like the lab mix in this dog.  I think it's the best of both worlds between field and family friendly.

Steve, no viszla for me. To similar to Cactus. In size and temperament. Not necessarily bad, I just prefer a dog big enough to defend himself against big labs.

Uglydogs, totally agree. More than a few breeds of working dogs have been perverted by show dog breeding. The kennel we are looking at seems to have its priorities right. In order to get anything other than a limited registration from AKC, the kennel owner requires your dog to win something in NAHVDA and pass all med tests before you get license to breed the dog. Not something I am interested in, but good to see they have high expectations of their pups.

Well, the wife put a deposit down for a dog out of PMWeimaraners kennel in MT. 

So the big Weim experiment starts in Feb, or so.

Congrats Allen!

 Have fun man. IMO puppy training is as rewarding as the hunt.

If that is the kennel that I am thinking of they have an excellent line of weims. I think they had a booth at a sport show in Bismarck a number of years ago. They had two of their dogs at the show and they were very impressive. The guys that I am thinking about also sold supplies for hunting dogs (collars, dokkens etc.).

Congrats on your new pup. (Not everybody can handle the good looks of a wirehair)

ugly dogs Said:

Congrats on your new pup. (Not everybody can handle the good looks of a wirehair)

Ain't that the truth!  I may have held fast for a GWP if I could have gotten one without the beard.  I hate doggy beards!  And I don't like the idea of giving a dog a shave any more than I do of running a razor over my own face on a weekly basis.  

Thanks guys, it's only been a week since I buried my older dog, and while I miss him terribly I am already looking forward to getting a pup.  Nothing spells fun and excitement like having a puppy in the house, along with a pair of kids (ages 4 and 6 when the pup arrives). 

For any Weim fans, here's the sire of the litter we will be getting a pup out of:

http://pmweimaraners.homestead.com/Durango/Meet_Durango.html


I like how the kennel owner puts the OFA and other med tests of the parents out for the world to see.  

ugly dogs Said:
Be carefull when looking at weims. There are some really good line out there for weims. but there are some really bad lines too. They are such a beautiful dog that the show breeders and back yard guys over breed these dogs and really did damage to the breed. This is what happens when people breed for color and looks instead of for instincts, health and ability. With any dog take a close look at hips, knees, elbows and eyes. But with weims take a closer look at them and go back 3,4 or 5 previous generations. Personally I wouldn't look at one that didn't have NAVDHA titles in it's back ground. Good luck.

Well put. I bought a weim without doing my homework. breeder said he was froma  hunting line. Well long story short he grew to a lean 90lbs. Was a beautiful Blue weim that many people mistook for a Great Dane. He would point, but his range was about 15 feet and coverthat that at a slow trot. He would point if he came across a bird but it was like watching paint dry. He lived for the retrieve and was excellent in that aspect.
Definitely make sure it's a hunting line, and NAVHDA or AKC field titles in the pedigree are a great way to ensure this.