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Vortex vs Leupold

Is anyone using vortex diamondback scopes?  Looking for new scope.  Trying to decide between vortex leupold or nikon monarch.  Thank for any responce

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i have a nikon monarch that i am not happy with. it will get replaced with a weaver when i  buy a gun for my wife.

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 I bought the Vortex this year, love it! It got me back to the moniker I used to carry; Dead Eye Dick.

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Hard to beat Leupold and they're warranty and quality for the money thats for sure.

 

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Very simply: LEUPOLD ! ! ! ! ! !

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The diamondback series is not near the caliber of a leupold or a monarch.
I have a vortex viper and I love it, especially compared to my monarch.
but I do not have a leupold to compare it to so take it for what its worth.


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moosehunter09 Said:
i have a nikon monarch that i am not happy with. it will get replaced with a weaver when i  buy a

Weaver really??

I have a Vortex viper with moa turrets and i love it.  Good glass,  clear,  good lowlight and the clicks are very clear and it returns to zero nicely. 

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is varixII a good scope or should one just buy the varixIII

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Check out the Sightrons

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Check out the Sightrons

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Don't waste your money on the lower end Vortex's.  The viper's are comparable to the leupolds.  Sightron is also a nice scope for the money.  Vortex warranty is as good as leupold's from what I have heard. 

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Has anyone out there tried the Meopta brand of scopes? If so how are they?

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Diamond backs will do any thing the varix2 will do regular viper will match or beat the varix3.  The viper pst and new hs series will do any thing the mark4 will and leupy has nothing that will play with the razor.  I know some will about tip over in their chair when they read this but until very recently leupy has been very slow to improve on thier product  just living off of their name.  Maybe now with the injection of some fresh blood there will be improvements to the operation.  Vortex waranty if needed is faster and more efficient than leupy.  Just my opinion hope no one gets to butt hurt over it.

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Wow KurtR those are some pretty strong words.  But you came to the same conclusion I did.  My PST is as clear as my Mark4 except it has an illuminated reticle and shims for a zero stop for about $550 less if you pay retail for both scopes. 

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Do you guys have links to the exact scopes you are talking about? I'm in the market for a new scope and was looking at a Leupold, but wasn't quite sold on them yet and am still looking. Anyways, if you have links to the scopes that you're talking about, that would be very helpful. Thanks for the info.

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I'll agree with the statements regarding Vortex.......................in 25 yrs.

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Horsager Said:
I'll agree with the statements regarding Vortex.......................in 25 yrs.

exactly what i was thinking.....

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buckmaster81 Said:

Horsager Said:
I'll agree with the statements regarding Vortex.......................in 25 yrs.

exactly what i was thinking.....

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A little light reading of the Leupold evaluation from some of the best shooter in the world.

Leupold Competition Series 35x, 40x, 45x
Pros: The best resolution, brightness, contrast, and largest exit pupil of any high-magnification fixed-power scope you can buy. Better lens geometry and clarity than any zoom. Turret covers and screw-in lens caps standard. Very good warranty service, not limited to original owner. 30mm tube offers more elevation adjustment than older 1" Leupold Target Scopes or B&L 36x.
Cons: Unstable wire reticle may require after-market modification. Leupold is shipping too many with off-axis cross-hairs--look before you buy. Lash issue with side focus.
OVERALL: BEST FIXED-POWER SCOPE under $1200. Even with its flaws, still the best fixed-power competition scope you can buy, short of the $2150 March. Leupold needs to do some technical re-design and ensure the scopes ship with plumb cross-hairs.

Leupold LRT 6.5-20x Zoom
Pros: Excellent resolution, clarity, color rendition and contrast. 72-moa elevation range is best among all scopes tested. Smooth-functioning controls with distinct, positive clicks. Exceptionally good lifetime warranty service, not limited to original owner. Silver finish available. Good value, especially if you shop around for discounted prices.
Cons: Max power is actually 19.2x and you get some edge distortion at full zoom. Lash issue with side focus. Leupold is shipping too many with off-axis cross-hairs--look before you buy. When set to minimal parallax, target can be slightly out of focus.
OVERALL: This scope gives a great image of the target--sharp with good contrast, good color balance, with very little edge distortion up to about 18.5x.

Leupold LRT 8.5-25x Zoom
Pros: Excellent resolution, clarity, color rendition and contrast. 72-moa elevation range is best among all scopes tested. Smooth-functioning controls with distinct, positive clicks. Exceptionally good lifetime warranty service, not limited to original owner. Silver finish available.
Cons: Max power is actually 24.3x and you get some edge distortion at full zoom. Lash issue with side focus. When set to minimal parallax, target can be slightly out of focus. A few reports of unstable tracking on early 8-25x LRTs, but that seems to have been corrected in current models.
OVERALL: BEST BUY in a high-power zoom. This scope gives a great image of the target--sharp with good contrast, good color balance, with very little edge distortion up to about 23.5x. This is a great choice for long-range target shooting. The extra power (vs. the 6-20x LRT) does makes a difference and is worth the added cost we think.

Leupold/Premier 20-50x Zoom (boosted)
Pros: Excellent resolution, color rendition and contrast. Offers high power with acceptable brightness, while retaining more elevation moa than the large NF scopes. Premier offers wide choice of reticles at no extra charge and Premier fixes off-axis factory reticles when boosting. Silver finish available.
Cons: Not as bright as Nightforce (with 56mm objective) at like power settings. Very small exit pupil at high power. Some chromatic distortion at edges, when set at high magnification. Leupold warranty may be voided by boosting.
OVERALL: BEST BUY in an ultra-power zoom. Sharp, reasonable weight, excellent image quality.

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Premier and leupy busted ties long ago.  So now those scopes if they break will be fixed by no one.  Unless you want to pay.  Would take a premier any day over the leupy.  With any review on glass they are subjective and opinions just as mine is.  Opinions are like you know what we all have one.

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I love my Nikon Monarchs... I have never been able to see through a Leupold so any gun a bought with one was soon replaced.  Pretty much any glass on the market will generally get the job done for you.  They are all really good if you spend $500.00 or more.  Put them on a gun and look down them is what I would suggest............. for me and my crew it is Nikon all the way.... there is nothing in legal shooting light that I can not see in shooting range period.

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Leupold vari X III cant beat it for the cost factor. IMHO

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Nanky here is the scope I compared to my Mark4 leupold, Nightforce, and Sightron SIII
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-4-16x50-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle
  Retail they are 600-700 depending on where you buy. But I paid 500 with shipping from a friend.

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Vortex     I have a pair of there binoculars i love them next scope i buy will be from them

 

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 There's something very "Simmonsesque" about how Vortex has come to market.

If it's optical and Asian, it's better be Japanese or it's going to be sub-standard.  I suppose someone could argue otherwise.....................................but they'd be dead wrong.

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I have many friends with the Vari x 3's and i'm not impressed. My Sightron is way clearer even in low light. I can only vouch for the SIII series in 6-24x50 though. Guaranteed exact trac never experiencing drift back to zero and lifetime warranty.

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I have many friends with the Vari x 3's and i'm not impressed. My Sightron is way clearer even in low light. I can only vouch for the SIII series in 6-24x50 though. Guaranteed exact trac never experiencing drift back to zero and lifetime warranty.

Sightron SIII is Japanese and former Leupold staff to-boot.  I wouldn't cuss one and have contemplated the 10-50 on a target rifle.

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Pretty sad state of affairs for leupy than.  The viper pst is better in all facets than the mark 4 of much more expence.  Well and the razor is built in japan so no need to even rub "americas optic authority" face in that.  They just are not what they used to be it is hard for some to swallow that pill.  To many failures and qc that has gone down hill.  For mass producing a scope for some one that likes to hit pie plates the night before deer season leupy wins every time.  Hopefully with the visits of people from the shooting comunity they will get back on track but for now they have priced them selves out of the game.  Many other manufactures can give you better product for less.  just how i feel.  I like how vortex treats the customers and how when you need answers you can go on multiple sites or call people like liberty optics get answers about why what and hows.  

I would like to know how there comeing to market has been "Simmonsesque"

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  I like how vortex treats the customers and how when you need answers you can go on multiple sites or call people like liberty optics get answers about why what and hows.   

 

I like how I can call Leupold's custom shop and talk to a live body vs. looking things up on a website or calling a 3rd party seller.  I like that I can send a scope to Leupold's custom shop with instructions regarding what I'd like done and 3wks after shipping them the scope, it's back on my doorstep and things are done the way I wanted them done.

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I would like to know how there comeing to market has been "Simmonsesque"

One Japanese line, the rest "other asian" origins.

I have no doubt that the Razor and Razor HD are great scopes.  That said, for that kind of $$, I'll buy Nightforce so as to have a known commodity I can trip for nearly what I paid should I tire of it.

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Pretty sad state of affairs for leupy than. They just are not what they used to be it is hard for some to swallow that pill.  To many failures and qc that has gone down hill.  

Have you actually had a failure with a Leupold.  I haven't, though admittedly I've only gunned just over 60 of them.

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I phrased that wrong i can call vortex and talk to some one.  Dont need the custom shop as they have listened to the customer base and have what is wanted from the start. Not gonig to argue about the nightforce this was about leupy.  With that said some of the new leupolds are more than schmidts that is what i mean pricing them selves right out of the game.    Some reading from people much more infromed than me

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Horsager only problem having to send your leupold to the custom shop is: Vortex already comes that way!  No need to put M1's or the TMR in when they come from the shop with exposed turrets and a 2moa reticle. 

Have you ever used one not just held it in you hands at the store?  Pretty tough to make a comparison unless you have them.  Funny how I hear stories of how people laughed at certain people when they tried something new.  That is until they got spanked in everytime they went up against him.  Now in 2011 Nationals almost everyone was using that caliber.  Funny how things change.

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Have you ever used one not just held it in you hands at the store?  

Nope, my only Vortex experience was handing my Leupold topped rifle to a guy who's Vortex had shit the bed for a 3rd time so he could finish out his 600yd string.

My reliance on Leupold's custom shop stems from purchasing used in which case you get what's available and send it in to be tailored to your liking.  

Of course I can order a scope right through the custom shop with any/all options I want as well.  Retailers can do this as well.  Unfortunately much of the shooting community is more interested in reading, gum-flapping, and tire-kicking than they are about shooting.  Still more are far more interested in justifying their preconceived notions than they are about learning.


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Horsager only problem having to send your leupold to the custom shop is: Vortex already comes that way!  No need to put M1's or the TMR in when they come from the shop with exposed turrets and a 2moa reticle. 

This is possible because Vortex is an opportunity for retailers to earn higher margins.  That increased margin opportunity would aptly be described as the nexus between the retailer and manufacturer.

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 You can throw private label scopes into that same higher margin category as well.

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Seems leupold is on the same train.  using chinese parts to up the profit line.  So much so they cant even have made in america on there box any more.  Here is what Terry Cross stated doesnt seem he is much into flaping gums and more into shooting

 
I apologize in advance but I have to rant for a second.

I have always been a huge, huge Leupold advocate. They were always my benchmark for quality, innovation and U.S. workmanship. I own an awful lot of their product and continue to use it regularly.

However. . . . In the last few years, I have seen a change in the way Leupold does business and delivers product to the market. As they have grown, they have embraced many less than admirable traits that seem to define too many parts of American businesses. While their pricing has been steadily increasing at a faster rate than inflation, their quality has dropped. They are still capable of producing a sharp, repeatable optic but not as dependably.

My biggest aggravation with Leupold is the fact that less than 5% of their product line that can be legally stamped "Made in U.S.A." and I'm not even sure that those few are !!! What started out with a few of their Wind River imports has blown into an all out effort to prostitute their name brand for a dollar.

I just received 18 RX-4 range finders, 18 Tactical 10x50 Patrol Binoculars and 18 Mk 4 LR/T 4.5-14x50mm TMR Illum. scopes for a package deal I have to ship. This is pretty much suppossed to be their better gear. Guess what? Range finders "Made In CHINA". Binoculars "Made In China". Scopes have no country of origin marked on the packaging, instructions or product. Call back from Leupold informs me that the scopes are assembled in Oregon but so many of the parts and sub-assemblies are made over-seas (mostly China except for some of their lenses)that they do not qualify for the Made in USA stamp!

I can assure you that sourcing their components and products from China has dropped their costs very, very dramatically while they have continued to raise market prices. You know, honestly, it isn't even the price/profit thing that burns me. It is the fact that they chose to move their sourcing and manufacturing (I do consider "manufacturing" and "assembly" two different beasts in this instance) out of the country and specifically China. Why couldn't they keep most of their production here and just up their pricing 10%? Jesus, I could drop my selling price and triple my profit on freakin Pod-Loc kits if I used components from outside the U.S., but I refuse to go there. Guess that is why I still drive a 10 year old truck.

While they may still have satisfactory product performance and at least attempt innovative ideas occaisionally, I believe that they are straying from their roots, pumping a ton of money into foreign factories and putting yet another hole in the bottom of the lifeboat that retains at least a small fraction of our ability to domestically support our police and military logistics in the event of any serious conflict. I remain firmly convinced that we shall sorely curse the day that we wake up and realize that we need to raise our military to a task only to find out we have cut off our own legs. I aim this statement not only at Leupold but other textile, steel, electronics and molding industries based in the U.S. You don't just start that shit back up inside the U.S. borders overnight.

I will continue to use my original Leupold products but I shall migrate away from giving their company blanket support. I will, instead continue to give more and more support to companies that take risks, accept slightly lower margins and consciously make the effort to strengthen our own economy and workforce. As you purchase your gear or spec out the equipment for your agency bids, please consider more than F.O.V. and click value.

I would seriously love to debate the execs at Leupold in front of their Board about some of this.

DISCLAIMER: I know that some out there will have personal budgets at home that restrict your choices to imports and I totally respect that. A non-US product is better than no product at all in some cases.

DISCLAIMER #2: Yeah, that was more than a second. Sorry.

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"Still more are far more interested in justifying their preconceived notions than they are about learning."

Funny I was thinking the same thing.  Kind of why I bought the Vortex, to see if they are any good.  Reason why I bought the Sightron SIII also.  

As far as profits and that stuff, have no idea I am skilled labor.

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Oh yeah a Leupold or Vortex isn't on my comp rifle.  If you want the dates for Harris MN or Pierre SD matches let me know.

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Oh yeah a Leupold or Vortex isn't on my comp rifle.

Mine either.

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When is the pierre one

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Pierre SD 600yd. Benchrest VHA (IBS)
May 12-13
July 23-27 Jamboree
Sept 8-9 State 600yd.

Harris MN 600 and 1000yd Benchrest (IBS)
April 28-29 600yd.
May 26-27 600 and 1000yd.
June30-July1 1000
August 18-19 1000yd

IBS Championship
Oct 5-7 in St. Louis Mo.

NBRSA Nationals in Sacramento Ca. at the end of April.

The local Tactical match never developed much like my stock from Masterclass.  Still waiting with a barreled action.  So much for it only taking 6 to 8 weeks.  Already shopping around.  I will find someone else to take my money I guess.

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Weaver really??

yes. my weaver grand slam far out preforms my nikon monarch

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My .22 does good with a damn Tasco airgun scope.  The scope worked just fine on a springer until I sold it at a friend's yard sale. Leupold scopes used to be impervious to airgun recoil.  WTFE.  A LOT of deer fall every year in the Hills after a Tasco delivers a .50 cent piece group dead on at 100.

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dieseldog Said:

Weaver really??

yes. my weaver grand slam far out preforms my nikon monarch

I've gunned the V-16.  I could slum it.


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My .22 does good with a damn Tasco airgun scope.  The scope worked just fine on a springer until I sold it at a friend's yard sale. Leupold scopes used to be impervious to airgun recoil.  WTFE.  A LOT of deer fall every year in the Hills after a Tasco delivers a .50 cent piece group dead on at 100.

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