USDA Wetland Reserve

Oh goodie, goodie, more taxe payer money for doing  nothing!!!!!!!!!!!

I am going to sign up for it, If the feds are going to fund this program anyway,  Why not improve  wildlife habitat in North Dakota.   If we don't use up the funding some other state will. 

Geothermal Said:
I am going to sign up for it, If the feds are going to fund this program anyway,  Why not improve  wildlife habitat in North Dakota.   If we don't use up the funding some other state will. 

have no problem with the Wetlands program.   I am puzzled by the fact the Dick is promoting a program that seems to be in direct conflick with his main agenda the possable causes,damage,and cleanup of the the CWD problem. 
 
On one hand he promotes enrolleng in a taxpayer wetland program that will cause the consentration of larger numbers of deer in a small area,causing an increase in deer urine and feces.  His experts say this might be one of the causes to the spreading CWD.
 
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=75774   I question if the danger of spreading of CWD on taxpayer program is as important as the collection of the taxpay payment.  After a long history of collecting government payment it would be hard to pass one up,just a guess.
 
If this is true next x-mas eve Snata's rain deer had better be wearing  plastic tarining pants!!
 
But on the other hand he is worried about the taxpayer cost of a soil and water clean up caused by CWD more guess and smoke.

 

http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=75774

 
 

I just love the philosophy of "let's use up the money so somebody else doesn't".  I don't understand this.  Why not subscribe to the philosophy "we don't need tax payers money so you just give it back to the tax payers". 

I tried signing up 2 years ago and I was turned down

Geothermal Said:
I am going to sign up for it, If the feds are going to fund this program anyway,  Why not improve  wildlife habitat in North Dakota.   If we don't use up the funding some other state will. 

eyexer Said:
I just love the philosophy of "let's use up the money so somebody else doesn't".  I don't understand this.  Why not subscribe to the philosophy "we don't need tax payers money so you just give it back to the tax payers". 

Just for an example , If The Corps decided to spend 1 million on boat ramps in the USA , Should we sit on our ass and watch ? Or should we think  of a place where a boat ramp would be nice ? These programs are there whether we like them or not.  And the money will go fast.   It's not about greed it's about pulling your head out of the sand and improving our state and our property with federal money that will get spent no matter what our opinion is. . I am not sticking up for this programs I am just making use of it.  

Geothermal Said:

Geothermal Said:
I am going to sign up for it, If the feds are going to fund this program anyway,  Why not improve  wildlife habitat in North Dakota.   If we don't use up the funding some other state will. 

eyexer Said:
I just love the philosophy of "let's use up the money so somebody else doesn't".  I don't understand this.  Why not subscribe to the philosophy "we don't need tax payers money so you just give it back to the tax payers". 

Just for an example , If The Corps decided to spend 1 million on boat ramps in the USA , Should we sit on our ass and watch ? Or should we think  of a place where a boat ramp would be nice ? These programs are there whether we like them or not.  And the money will go fast.   It's not about greed it's about pulling your head out of the sand and improving our state and our property with federal money that will get spent no matter what our opinion is. . I am not sticking up for this programs I am just making use of it.  

The big word here is IF.  If the Corp was to do this it would be for all tax payers benafit not a private landowner.   This is just another oppertunity for the landowner that farms Fed programs not the land.  This has nothing to do with feeding the people for less. And yes I am a landowner and have been for many years,this is a waste of taxpayers money.  

Like I said if you have farmed the system for years it is hard to pass another freebie,no matter how you label it.  Iam sure the person who stated this thread is well versed on how to farm the system.      

I couldn't have said it better myself.  It's hilarious how people justify spending taxpayers money "because somebody else will just spend it so we might as well".  How about let's not spend taxpayers money on stuff we can't afford.  How bout we tighten the damn belt on this pair of pants till the current situation resides at least. 

mauserG33-40 Said:

Geothermal Said:

Geothermal Said:
I am going to sign up for it, If the feds are going to fund this program anyway,  Why not improve  wildlife habitat in North Dakota.   If we don't use up the funding some other state will. 

eyexer Said:
I just love the philosophy of "let's use up the money so somebody else doesn't".  I don't understand this.  Why not subscribe to the philosophy "we don't need tax payers money so you just give it back to the tax payers". 

Just for an example , If The Corps decided to spend 1 million on boat ramps in the USA , Should we sit on our ass and watch ? Or should we think  of a place where a boat ramp would be nice ? These programs are there whether we like them or not.  And the money will go fast.   It's not about greed it's about pulling your head out of the sand and improving our state and our property with federal money that will get spent no matter what our opinion is. . I am not sticking up for this programs I am just making use of it.  

The big word here is IF.  If the Corp was to do this it would be for all tax payers benafit not a private landowner.   This is just another oppertunity for the landowner that farms Fed programs not the land.  This has nothing to do with feeding the people for less. And yes I am a landowner and have been for many years,this is a waste of taxpayers money.  

Like I said if you have farmed the system for years it is hard to pass another freebie,no matter how you label it.  Iam sure the person who stated this thread is well versed on how to farm the system.      

You both make good points and I have to agree, The problem is, We are dealing with something that is uncontrollable by us . We can't tell USDA how to fund projects.  Call me what you wan't but I am signing up and by god if it helps keep the family farm in the family I am not ashamed. My grandpa and my dad both raised big families on this farm . I tried to raise 2 boys on the farm and was not able to without a full time job.  

mauserG33-40 Said:
have no problem with the Wetlands program.  

mauserG33-40 Said :

This is just another oppertunity for the landowner that farms Fed programs not the land.

That was a quick change of mind

Geothermal Said:
You both make good points and I have to agree, The problem is, We are dealing with something that is uncontrollable by us . We can't tell USDA how to fund projects.  Call me what you wan't but I am signing up and by god if it helps keep the family farm in the family I am not ashamed. My grandpa and my dad both raised big families on this farm . I tried to raise 2 boys on the farm and was not able to without a full time job.  

That is you choice.  I have a good friend who was forced to sell out a trucking co. his grandfather stated, he was a good operator but do to the fuel cost and economy he could hold it together.  He wasn't able to get taxpayer funded long therm payments for doing nothing.  Willie Nelson didn't have any concerts to help save his company either.

Save the family farm with taxpayer dollars,well I bought my place made it work through raising livestock,sold part of it,and never enrolled in any grovernment programs,fed everything I raised.  I'll take management and hard work over a hand out anyday.  Put what ever label you wish on it but this program is a handout not a way of raising food cheaper.    

This program right now is a waste,with the shape the rest of the country is in.

Geothermal Said:

mauserG33-40 Said:
have no problem with the Wetlands program.  

mauserG33-40 Said :

This is just another oppertunity for the landowner that farms Fed programs not the land.

That was a quick change of mind

Yes and a change for the good after reading this thing  it stinks,glad I took the time to read it complety,     A waste of money.

That's the problem with todays farming situation.  everybody wants to or expects to just make it on small grains only.  very few farm the way the true "family farm" was ran.  raising grain, chickens, pigs, cows, etc.  now the vast majority farm a few months of the year. 

eyexer Said:
That's the problem with todays farming situation.  everybody wants to or expects to just make it on small grains only.  very few farm the way the true "family farm" was ran.  raising grain, chickens, pigs, cows, etc.  now the vast majority farm a few months of the year. 

As I am out BS'ing and hunting with farmers this fall, I will try to remember that as I try to goad them into icefishing as opposed to rebuilding their drill, patching the holes in the grain truck beds, overhauling the old 4020 for the fifth time.

Allen I want you to know that 4020 is not that old,I had one I bought new {well maybe it has been longer than I thought.}

Times have changed,but good management in the area of farming you are suited for you can still be seccessfull by farming the the land not the Fed programs.  And yes the programs are needed to hold down the cost of food to the taxpayer. 

The one thing you need no matter when you made a living on the family farm is a hell of a good banker.

I'm well aware of what goes on at the farm.  I spent a good portion of my life working on one.  I also have numerous friends and relatives that make their living farming.  what you stated is the exception not the rule.  We have six months of winter in this state.  And by the looks of what I see in the fields on a daily basis, not much of that equipment is being worked on.  In fact, this new equipment is being worked on less and less by the farmer himself outside of routine maintenance. 

Allen Said:

eyexer Said:
That's the problem with todays farming situation.  everybody wants to or expects to just make it on small grains only.  very few farm the way the true "family farm" was ran.  raising grain, chickens, pigs, cows, etc.  now the vast majority farm a few months of the year. 

As I am out BS'ing and hunting with farmers this fall, I will try to remember that as I try to goad them into icefishing as opposed to rebuilding their drill, patching the holes in the grain truck beds, overhauling the old 4020 for the fifth time.

I know very few farmers who only work a"few months" of the year.  With the advent of winter wheat in the state (again), spring wheat, durum, canola, sunflowers, and corn on the typical small grain farm, they seem to be pretty busy as planting almost runs right into harvest which again runs right into planting.

Hey, What do you guys like to hunt ?

I have land in WRP. The gov. can't buy this land, so in my opinion they get land owners to sign up for this program, then they become tenants on their own land. You can post the land and you can hunt on it. Every thing else you need permission to do. You can't mow a path to a fishing hole, you can't mow a parking-camping area, you have to take your tree stands down when they say, you can't build a box blind, and you can drive on it but can't make a trail. You need permission to plant trees on your own land. You can't leave any farm equipment on the land or anything else for that matter. It's a sweet deal for the government they have complete control of the land.
Yet you have to control the weeds and pay the tax on it. They say they will allow what they call compatible use. But if it is not in writing don't count on it. That is what I call bait. When you sign you will be in servitude to the Gov.
If you are thinking about it research it ,don't take the NRCS word for anything: I DID:
These are my opinions so I say again research it.
I believe  this should and could be a good program if the NRCS were not a dictatorship.

Ya , Ya ok bowbender.   Why did you sign the contract if you don't want to fallow the rules ? 

Geothermal Said:
Ya , Ya ok bowbender.   Why did you sign the contract if you don't want to fallow the rules ? 

Even hand-outs have rules to follow!!