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Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat

by BOUTDOORS , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 10/10/2011 1:42 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
BOUTDOORS

Joined: 07/23/2010
Location: ND
I witnessed thousands of acres of CRP going up smoke this weekend in N.E. ND.  With all the hunters out last weekend, was this a common occurance across the state?  At one point, I counted nine fires in the distance around me. 

Additionally, how do you think this will affect wildlife, bad all around or do you see some advantages with ducks and geese having more to places to stop and eat etc.?
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by Big Rack on 10/10/2011 12:32 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: SD
If it will still be CRP, then it should grow back thicker.
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Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by BOUTDOORS on 10/10/2011 12:38 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
BOUTDOORS
Joined: 07/23/2010
Location: ND
Big Rack Said:
If it will still be CRP, then it should grow back thicker.


I'm sorry, i should clarify - this stuff is coming out of CRP. 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by Tim Sandstrom on 10/10/2011 12:51 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
The problem is everyone got lazy with CRP.  It was never, ever designed to benefit wildlife.  It was just and indirect benefit.  With changes in farming practices (no-till), etc and economic perssuation it will continue to come out.

If our government wasn't broke I think we'd stand a chance at doing something but we continue toward the left and believe in entitlement type living.  Only so much money to go round.




 
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Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by BOUTDOORS on 10/10/2011 1:31 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
BOUTDOORS
Joined: 07/23/2010
Location: ND
Tim Sandstrom Said:
The problem is everyone got lazy with CRP.  It was never, ever designed to benefit wildlife.  It was just and indirect benefit.  With changes in farming practices (no-till), etc and economic perssuation it will continue to come out.

If our government wasn't broke I think we'd stand a chance at doing something but we continue toward the left and believe in entitlement type living.  Only so much money to go round.
Absolutely, I think now is the time for it to come out.  Grain prices are strong and practices are better in general.  I guess what i'm getting at is do you think the coyote population will finally drop?  I think if the population does drop off, deer in our area will rise despite the loss of grass.  Also, my hope is that geese and ducks stick around the area longer when there's grain in those fields.  Seems like 15 years ago all of October had duck hunting and now there's about one good week of mature birds. I'm not a global warming guy personally and I think it has more to do with food and water.
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by It's All Good on 10/10/2011 3:03 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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The loss of CRP in North Dakota is, and will continue to be, the single most detrimental issue facing wildlife.  This is not my opinion, it is well documented fact put forth by biologists thoughout the upper midwest.  The research and articles are everywhere.  Loss of CRP in North Dakota is going to be a bad deal for game birds, waterfowl and deer.  

TIm, what does the government being  broke and "going to the left" have to do with the loss of CRP Lefties are typically for preserving the environment & habitat, would you not agree (environmental wackos)?  Isn't CRP and other government farm programs entitlement "type livng" themselves, something the far left loves wasting money upon? Iif anyone is going to "waste" taxpayer monies on wildlife and habitat, it would be the democrats.  Right? I guess I'm confused??
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by Captain Ahab on 10/10/2011 3:13 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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It's All Good Said:

The loss of CRP in North Dakota is, and will continue to be, the single most detrimental issue facing wildlife.  This is not my opinion, it is well documented fact put forth by biologists thoughout the upper midwest.  The research and articles are everywhere.  Loss of CRP in North Dakota is going to be a bad deal for game birds, waterfowl and deer.  

TIm, what does the government being  broke and "going to the left" have to do with the loss of CRP Lefties are typically for preserving the environment & habitat, would you not agree (environmental wackos)?  Isn't CRP and other government farm programs entitlement "type livng" themselves, something the far left loves wasting money upon? Iif anyone is going to "waste" taxpayer monies on wildlife and habitat, it would be the democrats.  Right? I guess I'm confused??

I think all TIm is saying is that it is an easy program to cut in relative terms.  Easier than a lot of other programs on the chopping block.

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Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by Swanson on 10/10/2011 3:33 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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No CRP in ND, where the heck do all the birds and deer go then?? not much for big woods over here. but NM the mountain lions and yotes have already killed off the deer anyways.

Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by mauserG33-40 on 10/10/2011 4:12 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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swanson Said:
No CRP in ND, where the heck do all the birds and deer go then?? not much for big woods over here. but NM the mountain lions and yotes have already killed off the deer anyways.


Do ducks or uplamd birds nest in wheat fields?    I was operating a combine harvesting corn this week in Nothern Mo and saw a bunch of deer in every corner of the unpicked corn.    Maybe the end of CRP will be the end of the easy hunting.  Crops may provide more protection and more food.   Grain fields may make it harder for the baiters.
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by BringingTheRain on 10/10/2011 4:28 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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mauserG33-40 Said:
swanson Said:
No CRP in ND, where the heck do all the birds and deer go then?? not much for big woods over here. but NM the mountain lions and yotes have already killed off the deer anyways.


Do ducks or uplamd birds nest in wheat fields?    I was operating a combine harvesting corn this week in Nothern Mo and saw a bunch of deer in every corner of the unpicked corn.    Maybe the end of CRP will be the end of the easy hunting.  Crops may provide more protection and more food.   Grain fields may make it harder for the baiters.
Yeah, for 3 months of the year. What about the other 9 when there are no crops? pheasant  wise, the more crp that disappears the closer the entire state is getting to be like NE North Dakota....no pheasants. But, they aren't native species after all, so maybe it isn't a big deal if ND doesn't have anymore pheasants.
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by mauserG33-40 on 10/10/2011 4:39 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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There isn't any feed value in a harvested field?
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by zoops on 10/10/2011 6:26 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Plenty of feed value but no winter cover value.
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by sloth on 10/10/2011 6:36 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Two things that have lead directly to the dramitic increase in ND wildlife have been, 1 CRP, 2 increase in row crops, especially beans.  Animals basically need 3 things, Food, Shelter, Cover.  Now cover and shelter are two different things. Shelter for inclement weather, and cover to hide from predators, while these 2 items can be interchangable sometimes they are not.  Where do deer winter in ND?  CRP.  And your haystack. :)    Look around your hunting area.  If there is no more Crp where will the deer winter?  In your overgrazed pasture land?  In your stubble corn field? In the burned out slough?   All bad choices for a deer trying to survive a brutal winter.  Food is great, but Cover is KING!      
    Losing CRP  might or might not be a good thing for the State of ND from an economic standpoint, but anyone who questions what it will do to the long term viability of our wildlife is a fool.
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by BringingTheRain on 10/10/2011 6:43 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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mauserG33-40 Said:
There isn't any feed value in a harvested field?
for about 4 days until it gets worked in areas without no till.

sloth Said:
Two things that have lead directly to the dramitic increase in ND wildlife have been, 1 CRP, 2 increase in row crops, especially beans.  Animals basically need 3 things, Food, Shelter, Cover.  Now cover and shelter are two different things. Shelter for inclement weather, and cover to hide from predators, while these 2 items can be interchangable sometimes they are not.  Where do deer winter in ND?  CRP.  And your haystack. :)    Look around your hunting area.  If there is no more Crp where will the deer winter?  In your overgrazed pasture land?  In your stubble corn field? In the burned out slough?   All bad choices for a deer trying to survive a brutal winter.  Food is great, but Cover is KING!      
    Losing CRP  might or might not be a good thing for the State of ND from an economic standpoint, but anyone who questions what it will do to the long term viability of our wildlife is a fool.
The deer might try and winter in CRP out west, but that's probably why they have been dying off so bad the last 3 bad winters in a row. CRP is completely worthless by January on years with snow. Deer in the east survive because there are more wooded areas, especially along rivers.
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by Little Elvis on 10/10/2011 7:07 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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It is a pretty easy decision for most land owners...35-80 dollars an acres for CRP renewals or close to double that in land rent for nonfarmers and 3-5 times that for people who farm...we actually just put 60 acres into CRP about 3 years ago because we could....but you are seeing less and less of that going on
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by ORANGE SIGN 58483 on 10/10/2011 7:16 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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how in the hell would no crp make it hard for baiters?
 
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by mauserG33-40 on 10/10/2011 7:21 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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fowlexecution Said:
how in the hell would no crp make it hard for baiters?
 

More grain grown and mature grain during deers season will give deer more access to grain  rather than grain poured on the ground  below the deer stand. 
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by ORANGE SIGN 58483 on 10/10/2011 7:34 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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We do a lot of baiting and didnt have a 1 spot that was in or around crp they were mostly around corn fields. Deer arent gonna scrounge around looking for grain when theres a bait pile right ther
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by mauserG33-40 on 10/10/2011 7:43 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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fowlexecution Said:
. Deer arent gonna scrounge around looking for grain when theres a bait pile right ther



Is there any chance that taking away the deers ability to scounge off the land for food would affect thier ability to survive?  
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by ORANGE SIGN 58483 on 10/10/2011 8:07 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Are you trying to say that they are getting to many calories when they are eating my cracked corn? 
 
Re: Up In Smoke - CRP Habitat
by ORANGE SIGN 58483 on 10/10/2011 8:11 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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How is it taking away there ability to survive if you quit masterbating for two months would you forget how to do it for the rest of your life?
 
 
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Posted On: 10/10/2011 1:42 PM
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