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UND President Caught Red Handed

by , Posted to on 01/26/2011 10:35 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Looks like President Kelley really is a two faced lier. The state should be aware of this guy who has not been straight about UND and the nickname.

Summit League commissioner: UND pushed for early nickname resolution

By: Jeff Kolpack, The Forum

FARGO - UND asked an athletic conference it once considered joining to publicly come out against accepting the Fighting Sioux as a member until the controversial nickname and logo issue was resolved, according to Summit League Commissioner Tom Douple.

UND spokesman Peter Johnson said Monday and repeated Tuesday that university President Robert Kelley “categorically denies” UND officials ever made such a request to the Summit League.

“False. Not true at all,” Johnson said. “Neither the president or the athletic director or anybody else from UND ever talked to (the Summit League) from that angle. In no way, shape or form did we ask (Douple) to make that an issue.”

If Douple’s statement is true, it would be a 180-degree reversal of what has commonly been reported for more than two years: that Summit League officials insisted the nickname issue be resolved sooner than the NCAA-imposed deadline of Nov. 30, 2010, so UND could be considered for inclusion in their conference.

In trying to meet the hurried deadline for the Summit League, the state board of higher education last April moved up the deadline to retire the nickname, not exhausting the timeline earlier given to them.

Commissioner Douple did not want to go into further detail on the issue, but when asked why he agreed to UND’s request — that the Summit League would publicly forward this idea — he said, “In support of the (UND) president. He thought it would help them and the board move quicker.”

The Summit’s message did help the state board of higher education act more quickly.

UND and the Summit League first started having serious membership conversations in 2009 when the Summit said it would make a site visit to the University of South Dakota, but not UND. At the time, Douple was quoted as saying the Summit would not visit UND “until the logo issue is resolved one way or another.”

In response, UND athletic director Brian Faison told The Forum a day later, “This is one of the reasons we need to get it resolved. And a resolution doesn’t mean it disappears. It could mean the tribes come to an agreement, but we need to get to that point sooner than later.”

The Summit League’s stance lingered over the issue until last January’s state board of higher education meeting.

Kelley and Faison then urged the board to act as quickly as possible on the nickname, citing frequent questions they received on recruiting and postseason competition, according to the meeting minutes. The minutes also state that Faison told the board that if the nickname is resolved before the Summit’s Presidents Council met last spring, then the league can act on UND’s application and begin scheduling for 2011-12.

At the time, Faison told the board that the Big Sky Conference appeared to have no interest in UND. That, however, changed quickly last fall, and UND ultimately chose to join that conference instead of the Summit League.

Contacted Monday, Richie Smith, state board of higher education president when the Summit was considering UND, said he would be surprised if UND pushed Douple’s stance on the nickname.

“That’s news to me,” he said.

Smith said he was one of a few board members who flew to Summit headquarters in Chicago and talked with Douple.

“He didn’t care if the Sioux name stayed or left,” Smith said of Douple. “He made it pretty clear that until the NCAA said the matter was resolved, that UND would not be admitted.”

The Summit Presidents Council has the authority to admit or deny any prospective member.

UND fits the geographical footprint of the Summit and its chief rival is 75 miles away in North Dakota State University.

The logo issue remains ongoing in the eyes of the North Dakota Legislature, which will hold a hearing on three bills in support of the nickname today. UND is not part of those discussions, saying it is honoring the state board’s directive last spring to begin retiring the nickname.

Douple said Tuesday that while UND officials deny they pushed the Summit League to offer an ultimatum on the nickname, he would have had no other good reason to do it.

“I wouldn’t put myself out there and put my membership through that on my own volition,” he said. “But it’s water under the bridge. That’s OK. They’ve decided to move on and we’re moving on.”

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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/26/2011 10:43 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Here is his reply.........I hope someone tries to fire him......

 

Kelley denies pressuring Summit League on nickname issue

By: Chuck Haga, Grand Forks Herald

BISMARCK - UND President Robert Kelley repeated this morning his denial that he ever asked Summit League Commissioner Tom Douple to publicly come out against accepting the Fighting Sioux as a league member until the school's controversial nickname issue was resolved.

"Tom has been very consistent with me that once we resolved the logo issue, the Summit League would review our appeal," Kelley said today as he waited for the House Education Committee to begin hearings on three bills that would require UND to retain the nickname and logo.

"I am very surprised to find Tom thought there was pressure put on him to speak out on this issue," Kelley said.

"There has been some urgency on our part to get this resolved. I think he felt some urgency on our part. But I don't recall ever putting pressure on Tom as he implied."

Kelley said he has not spoken with Douple about the commissioner's statement.

"I have not had any conversations with Tom since our acceptance into the Big Sky Conference in November," he said.

"I can't speculate on where this is coming from or why at this time."

Kelley also said he "can't speculate on what he might have understood," or whether Douple may have heard something from someone else at UND.

"I have the highest respect for Tom, and I thought he understood perfectly that this (retirement of the logo) was the responsibility of the state board, and once it was resolved we would be able to move forward.

"My responsibility is to move ahead, and that's what we're doing."

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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 08:33 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I'm guessing Kelley will be packing his bags rather soon.  This is all the more reason the legislature needs to resolve the issue.  We've all been sold a bag of goods by Kelley and his clones and the NCAA
Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 08:42 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Who cares??? Get a new nickname and move on UND. Not that hard, UND wasn't smart enough to cut a deal with the tribes in earlier years. This will always be an issue, just change and move on and focus on the future. Not that hard really.
Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 08:59 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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oh yea, don't stand up for what you believe in.  the majority in the state want to keep the sioux nickname and that's what's going to happen.  sorry charlie
Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 09:35 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Kelly has been against the name since the first time he talked about it... As a leader of a institution such as UND, you would think that one might have pride in being a part of it and its culture.  I left UND at the begenning of Kelly's involvement at UND.  I always feared that he was against even trying to keep the name.

For those of you that want to change it, how about this... Go change your last name.  Its just a name, no big deal, or do you have some pride in it?

Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 09:47 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Has anyone checked into see if the "fighting Souix" is a doname name that is registered or owned. No different than a website. as long as it says the complete logo fighting souix not a complete tribal name I don't see a problem . UND Fighting Souix is an athletic name a sub division of UND. No different than ndsu (small letters on purpose)bison no one says I am going to college at ndsu bison.  When you ask a native american what nation he is from he would say the Ogalala(sp) Souix tribe and if he says the Souix he is assuming everyone knows the souix tribe is Ogalala
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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 09:49 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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walleye101 Said:
Who cares??? Get a new nickname and move on UND. Not that hard, UND wasn't smart enough to cut a deal with the tribes in earlier years. This will always be an issue, just change and move on and focus on the future. Not that hard really.

I care !!! and it's not right...that a school has to change it's storied name because some tree-hugging wanna be hippie Indian in some other state complained to the NCAA…who in turn felt it appropriate to cost schools across the country millions of dollars to either change a name or fight against it…and top of all of that you have our own wussface panty wearing board of higher ed which chose the gutless way around the issue because it’s UND and not their precious NDSU…I would see a point if either Indian community was up in arms against it however it is the complete opposite both reservations support the name it’s just due to Standing Rocks inadequate leadership a vote never took place…so I CARE !!!!




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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:13 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I thought I heard the student senate at und voted to officially oppose the bill.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:21 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:
I thought I heard the student senate at und voted to officially oppose the bill.

I think the University feels like they have already lost and are trying to put this behind them…which makes sense…however as a fan and a supporter of the University I do not want to see the name change…






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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:27 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:
I thought I heard the student senate at und voted to officially oppose the bill.

that doesn't mean jack.  If you want something with some meaning, let every alumnist vote on the issue.  now that would mean something.  and I think we all know what the result of that will be.  In fact, if the name changes, those same alumni are going to vote with their pocket book.  Several alumni  that I know personally have vowed to never give them another dime if the name changes.  These people donate over 250K a year to the school. 
Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:30 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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101,

I was going to ask you to remove your 88 avatar until I remembered Jr. dropped a KFC sponsorship because some hussy wrote him about cruelty to chickens.  So, I'll just say I vehemently disagree with you on this subject.  When you keep moving on from the Original Recipe you end up with a tub of shiite.

Someone called McFeelings yesterday afternoon deciding to be offended by "The Fighting Irish".  McFeelings REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS because no one had been treated like the Indians.  Hogwash.  There's not a a culture on this planet that hasn't been exploited and enslaved by another.  The Sioux logo is a symbol of respect and spirit. 

McFeelings needs to get his own olive sandwich and move on.
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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:32 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I think the NCAA should be responsible to replace lost revenue for UND.
Cover the cost of changing logos, letterheads, etc,etc,etc.
Think about the money wasted to comply with the NCAA demand.
In the big picture the University will "lose" the ability to direct critical funds towards some programs as a result of the "incurred costs" involved by the PC demands from the NCAA.
They can demand whatever they want, it isn't costing them anything! 

Now if they were held responsible to cover the costs for their "victum" institutions, their PCness might change.

Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:32 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I can tell you this................80% of the graduates from
UND DO NOT want a change.  The Tribal Council is
stating it would be for the benefit of the Tribe to leave
it alone and not change.  Who's really telling the
truth?????

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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:45 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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greyrider Said:
.  Who's really telling the
truth?????
Quote["I am very surprised to find Tom thought there was pressure put on him to speak out on this issue," Kelley said.

"There has been some urgency on our part to get this resolved. I think he felt some urgency on our part. But I don't recall ever putting pressure on Tom as he implied."]end quote

Hmmm,,,, I don't recall  my lawyer telling me to not recall.   When a person says "i don't recall" doing something in a position such as this instead of stepping up and catagorically denying it, well most times that in itself tells the story.

Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:53 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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eyexer Said:
doublebarrelsaloon Said:
I thought I heard the student senate at und voted to officially oppose the bill.

that doesn't mean jack.  If you want something with some meaning, let every alumnist vote on the issue.  now that would mean something.  and I think we all know what the result of that will be.  In fact, if the name changes, those same alumni are going to vote with their pocket book.  Several alumni  that I know personally have vowed to never give them another dime if the name changes.  These people donate over 250K a year to the school. 
I hafta partially disagree with you on this in the sense that students currently attending might want to be done with this and move on and be able to take pride in something other than controversy. I mean they are the one who have to put up with all this bs either way on a day-to-day basis. I agree a cut in alumni money would hurt but from a strictly opinion standpoint alumni have the luxury of staying out of the mess while still being able to point fingers. I think most of us are that way with our alma maters we read the paper and point fingers but still don't have to be at ground zero of it. I'm just as guilty as anyone in that regard especially involving sports.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 10:57 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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svnmag Said:
101,

I was going to ask you to remove your 88 avatar until I remembered Jr. dropped a KFC sponsorship because some hussy wrote him about cruelty to chickens.  So, I'll just say I vehemently disagree with you on this subject.  When you keep moving on from the Original Recipe you end up with a tub of shiite.

Someone called McFeelings yesterday afternoon deciding to be offended by "The Fighting Irish".  McFeelings REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS because no one had been treated like the Indians.  Hogwash.  There's not a a culture on this planet that hasn't been exploited and enslaved by another.  The Sioux logo is a symbol of respect and spirit. 

McFeelings needs to get his own olive sandwich and move on.
Your posts make me chuckle.




 
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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 11:02 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:
I thought I heard the student senate at und voted to officially oppose the bill.


The vote was 10-8-4 so it was very close. There is currently a huge uprising at UND. Students are pissed and feel like this was a back door deal. Here is the school paper which gave logo supporters a favorable article.

A resolution spearheaded by Student Body President Matt Bakke and Vice President Grant Hauschild divided members of Student Senate on Sunday. The resolution passed by a slim margin, 10-8-4. Three senators were absent and were counted as abstentions.

The resolution sought Senate's opposition to three bills currently being discussed by the North Dakota House of Representatives.  The House Bills 1208, 1257, and 1263 call for the university remain as the "Fighting Sioux". Each has its own provisions, but three all work toward the goal of keeping the nickname.

Bakke and Hauschild expressed concern that these bills would affect UND Athletics negatively, costing the university athletic games and revenue for the university. According to Hauschild, the bills will be discussed this week and a stance on the bills was vital to their defeat.

Several senators met the resolution with opposition, claiming students were not informed of Student Government's actions.

"You're doing this behind students' backs," charged Off-Campus Senator Brenden Jehlicka, referring to the delicate manner with which the resolution was distributed to senators and then passed on to a limited number of constituents.

Other senators supported the resolution, citing the legislature's delayed reaction to the nickname decision and sudden creation of the three bills was unprofessional.

"It's absolutely pathetic that they're throwing this out there now," Greek Senator John Kappel bellowed. "We should pass this to screw them over."

Engineering and Mines Senator Kevin Kraft also voiced his dissent with the resolution. Kraft was the only senator to email the resolution to his constituents for review. He believes the student body should have been contacted about the issue.

"I'm not comfortable making a decision of this magnitude," he stated, making it clear he wanted to know the opinion of his constituents before voting.

Amidst the debate, Government Affairs Commissioner Chelsea Stone reminded all those present "This issue affects people, not just money and material things."

Director of American Indian Studies Leigh Jeanotte, also weighed in on the issue, explaining the tribes are sovereign nations and he is appalled at the legislatures expectations of the tribes as laid out in HB 1208 and 1257.

According to Jeanotte, the Spirit Lake Tribe would have to change their entire constitution to achieve a referendum vote.

Jacob Gapp took the podium after Jeanotte. Gapp, chair of the Student Organization Funding Agency, revealed he learned of the resolution by mistake.

"It is very important we do have student input on this matter," warned Gapp. He went on to say that "shot-gunning something though a committee" will only hinder Student Government's ability to help students, both through the nickname retirement transition and its normal duties.

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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 11:04 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:
eyexer Said:
doublebarrelsaloon Said:
I thought I heard the student senate at und voted to officially oppose the bill.

that doesn't mean jack.  If you want something with some meaning, let every alumnist vote on the issue.  now that would mean something.  and I think we all know what the result of that will be.  In fact, if the name changes, those same alumni are going to vote with their pocket book.  Several alumni  that I know personally have vowed to never give them another dime if the name changes.  These people donate over 250K a year to the school. 
I hafta partially disagree with you on this in the sense that students currently attending might want to be done with this and move on and be able to take pride in something other than controversy. I mean they are the one who have to put up with all this bs either way on a day-to-day basis. I agree a cut in alumni money would hurt but from a strictly opinion standpoint alumni have the luxury of staying out of the mess while still being able to point fingers. I think most of us are that way with our alma maters we read the paper and point fingers but still don't have to be at ground zero of it. I'm just as guilty as anyone in that regard especially involving sports.

There are no students getting hurt by this logo debate. They may be tired of hearing about the debate, but they do want the logo to stay. UND Student Government is so far off base.
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Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 11:13 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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You guys have been complaining about this for 3 years. The state board of higher ed decided that maybe we should make life easier for ourselves and just get a new nickname.

I could really care less what the UND Who are called.  I laugh at you guys just getting up in arms over this old, old issue all the time. Teams have changed before and will change again in the future, just roll with it.

And the dude that commented on JR's sponsorship, not real up to date on your info, that was a 2-3 race Busch series deal at the time. Get current dude.
Re: UND President Caught Red Handed
by on 01/27/2011 11:17 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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walleye101 Said:
Who cares??? Get a new nickname and move on UND. Not that hard, UND wasn't smart enough to cut a deal with the tribes in earlier years. This will always be an issue, just change and move on and focus on the future. Not that hard really.

I care.


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