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Travel Trailer or 5th Wheel

by , Posted to on 05/19/2009 2:01 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/22/2003
Location: ND

We are thinking of updating our camper, and I am a little torn on what we should be looking for.  I plan on putting the boat behind whatever we decide on.  I know 3 people that are pulling travel trailer with boats behind them, and no problems.  I only know 1 that is pullung a 5th wheel boat combo, and he says no problems.  So what do you guys reccomend?  If you have something set up like this let me know, as I may be interested.

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Re: Travel Trailer or 5th Wheel
by on 05/19/2009 2:04 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2003
Location: ND
Length and where you are traveling is your main factor. If you plan on going to MN, unless the law has changed, expect a ticket if you pull tandem. In ND, I know alot of people use 5th Wheels in tandem because there is a max length law and the front part of the fifth wheel dont count because it is over the bed of the truck. Also belive thre is a law in regards of the length of the center section. You will have to do some checking to get the most updated laws, this was as a few years ago that I was looking at doing this. Good Luck!!!
 
 

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Re: Travel Trailer or 5th Wheel
by on 05/19/2009 2:04 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/19/2009
Location: ND
Just be sure if you are pulling a boat behind a travel trailer to use a stabalizer.
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by on 05/19/2009 3:16 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
I've done both. I've had two travel trailers and towed a 17ft aluminum boat behind each of them and then my current 19ft Glass boat. With the smaller lighter aluminum boat, it was no problem, With the larger heavier glass boat it changed my attitude a bit. I did it for a year and decided it was to much of a handfull, I just wasn't comfortable at really any speed above 50mph and by the time I got anywhere I was half wore out from just the driving. With the old setup I could run 60-65mph all day and not think anything about it.

I now have a 32ft Fifthwheel and could tell from the second I hooked up to it, even being 2k lbs heavier and 4ft longer than the TT, it was a far more stable setup! If I had a choice and my main concern was towing double, I would go for the fifthwheel. There are pros and cons to each and many other factors that add into this decision but I beleive the fifthwheel to be a better platform for towing double, IT's just plainly more stable.

I would reccomend an anti-sway bar between the boat and camper no matter which platform you choose, it'll stiffen up that connection either way and is a bonus for both setups.
Re: Travel Trailer or 5th Wheel
by on 05/19/2009 3:18 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
By the way last I check ND law was that the lead trailer was required to have brakes; both trailers need lights, saftey chains (TT), and a maximum length of 75ft front the front bumper of your TV to the Skeg of the boat motor. there were no weight restrictions listed although I would watch tire ratings and GVWRs.
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by on 05/19/2009 3:19 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
Forgot to add that the laws change each time you cross a state line so you need to know where you plan to double tow and prepare accordingly.
Re: Travel Trailer or 5th Wheel
by on 05/19/2009 4:23 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/22/2003
Location: ND
What I am thinking is a travel trailer no longer than 24' or a 5th wheel no longer than 26'.  I have a 16' Northwood Pro Tourney that will be behind it.  The main reason I am thinking travel trailer is I have a $1200 topper on the truck that has gotten to be a necessity in the fall, winter, and spring.  I am a little worried about weight, as I have a half ton dodge with the Hemi.  I have a chip, but still would like to stay below 7500 #'s.

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Re: Travel Trailer or 5th Wheel
by on 05/19/2009 4:44 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
With a light boat as you have posted I don't think it'll matter either way. Just use some commen sense and remember it's not a race and you'll be fine! If you think you're going to a big water boat sometime in the near future then plan accordingly.

I pulled a 26ft travel trailer (actual length of 30ft) W/ a slide that weighed about 8k lbs loaded and a 17ft Smokercraft with a Ford F250 CC SB and my total length was 73ft +- so no need to worry about length. I WAS over the 75ft max with the new boat.
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by on 05/19/2009 9:57 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2004
Location: ND
I agree with Yarcraft, I have also pulled both and now have a 26 ft 5th wheele ahead of my 18.6 glass boat. I pull with a 98 dodge 1/2 ton with a 360. Dodge has a heavy suspension so load will not be a problem. power is not a problem either as with no wind or wind in my favor I can pull 75 mph with no problem or 60 against the wind. I usually drive 65-70 with no problems. I also feel safer pulling a trailor behind the 5th wheele as opposed to the tt. One downfall to me is there is absolutely no room iin the box once the 5th wheele hitch is in. Maybe the Gooseneck hitch is the way to go if that is a concern. Someone else might have the inside to that and I would also like to know. Just my 2 cents.
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by on 05/20/2009 07:12 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
simmsjs Said:
...... One downfall to me is there is absolutely no room iin the box once the 5th wheele hitch is in...........

I purposely looked for a large front compartment and large doors for that compartment when shopping for a fifthwheel. It had to be large enough to put most of the stuff that used to sit in my box in it. The only thing I don't like is the dog has to ride in the FW where before he was kenneled in the bed of the truck.
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by on 05/20/2009 09:48 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/25/2002
Location: ND
Also been kind of looking for a new camper, but I'm wondering what my truck can handle. With the short box of the new Chevy crew cab 1/2 ton is a 5th wheel to much for it and any recommendations on size and weight that a 1/2 ton could handle? I was leaning towards a travel trailer, but I might have a good deal awaiting on 5th wheel.
Snow, any input?
The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the decendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter.- Finn Aagard
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by on 05/20/2009 10:25 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND

To start with, more than likely you'll need a slider hitch. What I don't know is if you're truck can accomidate a slider??? Is it the really short box (5ftr) or the 6.5ftr??

The thing about Fifthwheels is they are inhearetly very pin heavy. Typically 20% of total wieght sits on the pin over the axle of the truck. so an 8000lb FW (usually a 26ft or so) would normally have about 1600lbs pin weight, now don't forget about how much coolers, firewood, yourself, your passengers, and all the junk a person drags with them all weighs. It all adds up. So if your camper puts 1600lbs in the bed and all your junk adds another 500lbs you'll be up around 2100lbs. The rear axle weight is likely around 2500lbs so your at 5200lbs over the rear axle. The question is, Is you rear axle rate to handle this weight and equally important are you tires heavy enough???

There's alot of IFs and to tell you an ansewer we'd need to know the type, brand, size, and loaded weight of the camper and the truck. We'd also need to know the brand and size of tires on your truck and also the engine size, gearing, year, make, model. There's lots more to this than just hooken it up.

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by on 05/20/2009 11:18 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/09/2005
Location: ND
If you want to go in the ditch and have a smashed truck, boat, and camper then go with a travel trailer.  It does not matter if you have a stabilizer hitch or not, if you get over 45 mph pulling a boat behind a travel trailer it will start to sway and throw you in the ditch.  Have had a couple of people I know learn the hard way about pulling a boat behind the travel trailer.  Fifthwheels are the only way to go.
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by on 05/20/2009 11:21 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/25/2002
Location: ND
Yarcraft,
I sent ya a pm.
The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the decendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter.- Finn Aagard
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by on 05/20/2009 2:24 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/09/2006
Location: ND
There is no way I would do a travel trailer and a boat together. 90% of campers and boats in a ditch is hauled this way. If you get a fw with a slide you will be looking around 6500-7500 lbs in the 27 foot range.
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by on 05/20/2009 2:51 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
For you naysayers, have you every tried it??? I know I know, a friend of yours once..................bla.....bla......bla.....................Usually the reason for accidents has to do with improper setup or weight distribution which is more important with a TT than FW. A FW is less affected by weight adjustments since they are normaly very front heavy. A typical TT will have 10% hitch weight wher a FW will run 20-25%.

I've put many miles behind my truck as have three others doing the same thing all with TTs and everything from boats and jet skis to ATVs and GoCarts. A FW is definately more stable but that isn't to say you CAN'T double tow with a TT or you'll end up in the ditch, That's nothing more than an uneducated crap statement!
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by on 05/20/2009 2:54 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/08/2006
Location: ND

Does anyone have experience with installing a fifth  wheel plate in a 5 1/2 foot box?  Considering the rule of thumb is 52 inches from the rear glass for clearance, it seems impossible (even with a slider available for the really tight corners), but there are extended pin boxes as I understand.  I think Ford was foolish for putting the 5 1/2 footer on the Supercrew, but I was probably equally foolish for buying it that way.

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by on 05/20/2009 4:28 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/14/2002
Location: ND
shedhntr,
I know a couple of guys that have 5.5' Chevy half ton crew cabs that are pulling fifthwheels without the slider and no problems. You just have to be careful backing in tight spots. Everybody worries about being able to do a 90 degree turn.  I don't know many that had to make that tight of turn, and #2 turning 90 degrees puts alot of stress on the trailer axles side to side. I ddi talk to the Rv dealers in Bismarck about this and had mixed results. Riverwood said a person would be fine. Capital Rv recommended a pin extender, but would be fine, if careful, withou. Corral Sales says it depends on the fifth wheel. All of them have put them on shortbox 1/2 tons  meaning 5.5' boxes, on Fords, Chevys Dodges, Nissans, and Toyotas. Only one dealer sold a sliding fifth wheel hitch!!
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by on 05/20/2009 10:41 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2004
Location: ND
My 26 ft is on a dodge short box, 5.5 ft. I have no problems. i installed the plate myself and put it directly on top of the axle. I worry more about the axles on my camper during turning than I do anything else. For the best advise call a dealer. You might offend some people on here and you will get the right answers. Personally after having both a tt and now a 5th wheel, I will never pull a boat behind a tt again. Too risky in my mind.
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