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Time for a new boat

by , Posted to on 07/31/2010 11:45 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/19/2005
Location: ND

I have decided its about time to replace the only boat I have ever known. I basically inherited the boat, my dad had it before I was born. Now i have to add I'm in my mid to late twenties now. Right now I have an early eighties Crestliner tiller I think roughly 16.5 ft with top of the line electronics. I have a love hate relationship with this boat, it has done its job and served its purpose I have had some amazing days in this boat, it has been a very dependable boat and I can only think of two times it was in the shop with problems. But the layout sucks you are constantly tripping over something, the motor doesn't have electric and I feel like I'm going to seriously injure myself someday just trying to start it. It is a simple bare bones boat, no live well and next to no storage anything that seems high tech has been added since I have taken over.  As I start to see new boats and have fished in other boats my hate for the boat continues grow exponentially at times and I think its time to get ride of the old son of beaver den.


So my point to all this was to get some opinions on what you guys like about your boats. I'm from Bismarck and primarily fish the river, but I would like to get a little bigger boat since Oahe has come back up, and I spend a few weekends a year at Audubon or Sakakawea. I would prefer it not to be a tiller but would be open to it if it had a good lay out with with plenty of storage. I'm really curious on the thoughts of fiberglass vs aluminum. I don't know anyone with fiberglass and haven't been in one but I recently came across mid nineties yarcraft that I really liked. I don't know alot about the difference in these two types other then the material, so some feed back on that would be great I also wanted your opinions on buying new, I don't have the forty thousand to drop on a new boat and boat from about 84 is new to me ha ha. Like I said I fish the river primarily it wouldn't be used for a recreation boat hardly at all if ever, but you never know. I posted awhile ago wondering about starweld by starcraft, I saw it at the scheels fishfest or whatever it was and I really liked the lay out of those boats and the price wasn't to bad either. So any opinions on any boat would be awesome.


Also if you don't want to read all that, basically I'm just wondering your thoughts on what type of boat would be good for me in Bismarck.

Re: Time for a new boat
by on 07/31/2010 1:38 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/23/2006
Location: ND
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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 01:23 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2004
Location: ND
 Hey Riverfisherman, I am in Bismarck and you are welcome to come out with me sometime. Ii have an 08 Stratos which is a glass boat. PM me if you want and we will find a day or a couple of hours and hit the river.
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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 1:40 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/06/2008
Location: ND
The main difference between an aluminum and a glass boat is weight.  A glass boat weights a whole lot more so it actually rides big water better than an aluminum boat.  In the river, you wouldn't catch me in a glass boat.  The hull isn't as forgiving as an aluminum boat.  Hit a rock with a glass boat, you have a crack or hole to fix.  With an aluminum boat, you'll have a dent but more than likely won't be taking on water.  I like glass for Sak or Oahe but not for the river. 

When deciding between the two, also look at your tow vehicle.  The weight difference is huge!
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 4:21 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/27/2002
Location: ND
If you like the Crestliners, see if you can find a used late 90's early 00's 1750 Fish Hawk. I picked up a '99 w/115 merc just a couple yrs ago for about $6k. Nice and roomy, lots of storage. I also live in Bis.  pm me if you would like to look at it.
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 4:26 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/10/2009
Location: nd
Actually the weight difference is not that much in newer glass vs. aluminum.  They are all beefier to handle the bigger engines. In my opinion, there is no real good reason to own an aluminum hull unless you get a deal you cannot refuse. Good luck.
 
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 9:06 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/06/2008
Location: ND
waste'in time Said:
Actually the weight difference is not that much in newer glass vs. aluminum.  They are all beefier to handle the bigger engines. In my opinion, there is no real good reason to own an aluminum hull unless you get a deal you cannot refuse. Good luck.

I just looked up a Sylvan glass boat and compared it to a same size Sylvan aluminum boat and there's a 500 lb difference.  That's a lot of weight..  I didn't look up any other brands since I have Sylvan's website in my Favorites list.  Also, he's not looking for a newer boat so your point is moot.

As far as "no real good reason to own an aluminum hull"...how about hull forgiveness?  The guy asking the question wants to run the river most of the time.  I would personally rather hit something with an aluminum hull than a glass boat.  Also, because of the weight difference, a glass boat drafts deeper meaning you can't skim over sandbars as easily.  With my engines up, my boat drafts about a foot depending on the load.  I bet your glass boat drafts a bit more than that.
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 11:07 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/07/2009
Location: ND
For river fishing, I would go with a alum. boat.  If you plan to fish DL or Sak alot, that would be a different story - glass all the way.  On big water and waves, the glass will be smoother on the water and keep you a lot drier when running across in the wind.
For river running, alum will offer you alot more options in 5-10k price range.  Having run a glass on the river for 5 years, an alum. hull will take the sand bar beating much better.  Alum. will take hits and sand paper effect better then gel coat IMO.  You will also find it is difficult to find a glass boat (non-tiller) for less then 15-20k.

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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/01/2010 11:14 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/31/2005
Location: ND
if river fishing is your thing...go aluminium...go with a 17.5ft or better and you'll be fine on SAK or Oahe the biggest thing is to not under power your boat.  A tiller fishes the river better however a counsel does make it nice...a side counsel pro-v or fishhawk .... the trackers have a little wider layout there are lots of good used boats on the market right now. 

simmsjs -- What model Stratos?
 




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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 00:06 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/19/2005
Location: ND
Maybe I should Clarify this a little more, I fish what used to be the river. The only time I really fish in town is spring up to about school getting out then its taken over unless i get out early and get off pretty early.  But I will put in at the rifle range alot and have been getting pushed about a little bit by the wind this year. If you aren't familiar with Bismarck or the river, basically from what i can tell and keep in mind I have basically only fished the really low water levels, and now the rifle range is oahe again and the boat ramp just up from there is the desert and its not the low water it once was either.
But I was actually worried about how bad a glass boat would get hung up on a sandbar in the spring, especially when times i'll start a drift in about a foot of water. I have been thinking of holding onto the current boat and use it strictly for the spring, since i'm guessing i would get next to nothing for selling it.

So the basic difference between the two is weight and a glass will run a little deeper/smoother and handle rough water better? Also towing weight isn't a big factor i have a Ram with the all mighty hemi, ha ha. But I really appreciate the feedback and all the help, this is really the great thing about this website. I post a question and with in a day someone offers to take me out in their boat, thanks again everyone.
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 08:11 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2004
Location: ND
 Your launching locations and routine sounds very simular to mine. In the spring I always track up stream to plot a coarse that way if I get hung up I can use the current to push me off. My stratos will go through a foot, 1.6 ft of water.
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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 09:25 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/10/2009
Location: nd
River
This is probably a Ford vs. Chevy arguement but i believe you would be much happier w/ glass. The boat seems to drift a bit slower when fishing current and also seems like the boat doesn't get pushed around by wind as much(prolly due to weight and profile). That being sd, Lund pro V's, Alumnacraft,  etc are some dang nice boats to fish out of.  If you have questions about hull repairs, you could go to a place like Gibbon's in Bis and they can pretty much tell you what they fix on a regular basis.
     And who knows, maybe some day Audobahn and Sak pick up and the Mo. river slows down, then you will appreciate your glass even more.
 
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 10:34 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2003
Location: ND
Wow, I need to humbly disagree with this Glass boats run deeper  as a whole. My Ranger will draft without hitting bottom in about a foot of water. As for weight, yeah a little heavier  I will agree but what does that matter when your still drafting in that shallow of water, nothing. As for the main difference, comes down to the ride, glass will be more forgiving on your kidneys than metal, period the end. Based on the "river", which I understand what your saying about Ohae, no biggy either way ,it's not like you are running the red everyweekend where I would say a metal would be the way to go. As for the big water, glass for me any day of the week,  I will never own another metal boat for big water.
 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

Eric T


Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 10:49 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/28/2002
Location: MN
Glass!  Go glass and you will never go back.
 
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 12:35 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
If you are absolutely dead set on having superior storage the only way to go is aluminum.  You will have to compromise some storage if you go to a glass boat.

On that note all boats are good now a days.  They've survived and that says something.  I prefer a glass boat but that doesn't mean I won't switch if it warrants.  Like I said, they are all good now a days.

Now, I also notice you won't want to "stumble" around stuff.  Yet, you don't want a tiller.  You'll give up some maneuverability with a windshield boat unless you buy up in that 19 to 20 feet range.  That's my opinion anyway.  I get claustrophobic in windshield boats.  Won't say I won't ever have one as I'm sure life will change and I'll have to go to one but I really prefer tillers for openness and maneuverability.

As for cost.  They all seem dang expensive now a days.  Seems like the Sylvan and Stratos boats get the price down some but they always appear to be the more fish and ski types that get the price down.  I don't understand that but it is what it is.

Some say they would prefer aluminum over glass on the river.  I guess I tend to agree with that.  Not that I think glass boats can't handle it aluminum boats are a little more forgiving when it comes to knicks and bangs.  Most likely a little less expensive to fix too.

With that said, like people getting additional cars to get better gas mileage I won't be a guy getting a second boat for the river either.  Just makes no sense to own two unless you find that right deal.  Like you said, keep your old boat for the bang boat (river boat) and get a glass for other stuff.  Or just get a glass and make sure you don't go flying down the tailrace and hit rocks in low water conditions.  Many folks use fiberglass on the river every where and are just fine.

So that's that for now.  A quick response I thought I'd add.




 
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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 12:59 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
I would rather have a dent in my aluminum boat than a hole in a glass boat...
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 1:09 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Lycanthrope Said:
I would rather have a dent in my aluminum boat than a hole in a glass boat...

agreed x 1,000 
 

 

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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/02/2010 1:12 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
I was with my buddy in his warrior and we hit a cement culvert hard on DL.  All it did was take a small gouge out of the bottom of the boat. I don't know about other glass boats but warriors can take a serious hit.  I wouldn't be scared of using a glass boat like a warrior on the river, plus they are very dry. 
Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/03/2010 09:46 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Enslow Said:
I was with my buddy in his warrior and we hit a cement culvert hard on DL.  All it did was take a small gouge out of the bottom of the boat. I don't know about other glass boats but warriors can take a serious hit.  I wouldn't be scared of using a glass boat like a warrior on the river, plus they are very dry. 

Not just speaking warrior specifically but most of the new glass boats are thick. I hit a chimney (so I was told, everyone knew it was there except me) at full throttle on DL during the teen challenge tournament, put a small chip about the size of a quarter out of the gel coat ,and trust me we hit HARD!

Tuffy boats for instance are also using a kevlar hull design on their boats so I think that should hold up just fine also.


 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

Eric T


Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/03/2010 10:25 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/27/2007
Location: ND
I myself have been shopping around for a new boat. Thats new to me not necessarily new price tag. I went back and forth for a long time between wanting a glass boat or alluminum, finally decided to go with alluminum for a few reasons. Biggest being storage, next being weight-I pull the boat behind the camper so weight was a concern, and lastly price.  From all my searching and looking used glass boats cost quit a bit more  if you compare to an alluminum boat of the same size and year. But quite honestly the whole storage thing really made my final decision, need a lot of room to bring the toys for the kids along with the fishing gear.        

Anybody have any good info on Crestliner's?  Just looking for some honest opinions and info not bashing because its not a lund. 
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Re: Time for a new boat
by on 08/03/2010 10:34 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
bigwrench,

You a tiller guy our windshield?  Tiller fiberglass boats in today's design are not too bad for storage.  If you go with a 20 footer you have actually very good storage.

Only way to get good storage in windshield boats (at least in my opinion) is to go in that 20 foot range or of course, like I have mention (and you mention above) go with aluminum.  Sounds like you have that aspect dialed in.

But in the older boats, yeah, storage is not that great because it wasn't really an issue.  Today, it seems we have more junk than ever before we want to bring with.  Will say this, I learned to cut down my bulk with tackle, etc.  It actually helped me be more efficient.  Although I still want more storage I like my system.

But anyway, Crestliner is a good boat (like I said, all are).  I have very little experience with them so I can't offer much.




 
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