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The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.

by , Posted to on 03/16/2009 1:37 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/01/2005
Location: ND
BAD BAD NEWS. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past couple of years you've noticed that the price of ammo has gone way up. Well, it seems the Dept. of Defense just enacted a ruling today barring the resale of all military spent brass to commercial remanufacturers. I just visited sportsmansguiide.com and cheaperthandirt.com and besides having nothing in stock (as usual) the prices of much of their .223 ammo has doubled. A week ago you could get 1,000 rounds of high quality ramunafactured rounds from sportsmans guide for $379. Now it's not even on the site anymore.

Please people, for the love of all that is Holy, contact our stooges - I mean - representatives in DC.

Here's the email I got from The Shooting Wire:

No Longer Just Paranoia

For months, anyone who's proffered the position that the Obama Administration was anti-gun has been dismissed as being a variety of things, from sore loser to rampant paranoid. Nonetheless, since assuming office, members of the Obama administration have steadily- and stealthily- moved against firearms and ammunition.

Their only public blunder was Attorney General Holder's saying the "assault weapons ban" needed to be reinstated. Quickly, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi - no friend of gun owners - went on record as opposing Holder's suggestion. She went as far as to parrot the words of pro-gun groups, saying the government should enforce the laws on the books today, rather than introducing new laws.

At the same time, the State Department notified Canadian authorities of plans to issue an export ban on "military caliber ammunition" to Canada. That proposed action would prevent the sales of .223, .308 and other military calibers.

When Canadian authorities protested - and notified several members of the American media, the U.S. State Department suddenly went silent. But they quietly reinstated other rules and charges firearms exports-retroactively.

While it seemed they had been headed off on one proposal, they had actually drawn attention away from other actions. If you're into incrementalism, that translates as a win.

Anything passed brings the ultimate goal that much closer.

Last Friday, the anglers and hunters were notified that the National Park Service planned to make all lands under their control totally lead-free by 2010. No lead in ammo or fishing tackle.

As we report in today's Outdoor Wire, that decision has kicked off howls of protests - and questions about the NPS trying to usurp states' rights by issuing their unilateral decision with no prior notification. It's definitely not going to be a decision without some serious discussions. That still doesn't mean the NPS will back off on their decision.

All these things are racing along on parallel tracks. Now, many observers - and not just those on the pro-gun side of the discussion - believe the country is hurtling toward a confrontation.

The catalyst might be any one of several flashpoint issues, but both groups seem to believe a reckoning is unavoidable.

For months, I've gotten reports of everything from re-tasking of military heavy assault units for domestic violence scenarios to calls for "committees of correspondence" designed to spread news the way word was spread by citizens of the then-British colonies.

In each instance, I've discounted the reports as internet hysteria that has produced breathless notices of "the real-deal on the new assault weapon ban"- or references to HR45 - a gun registration bill that is a prime example of "eyewash legislation". It's purpose has already been achieved.

Part of that discounting has been due to the fact that hot-blooded rhetoric seems to run along with firearms ownership.

To the chagrin of industry officials, there's never a shortage of people willing to go on camera, get red-faced and spout "from my cold dead hands" phrases.

Admittedly, those people concern me, but more for their reinforcement of a negative stereotype to people who have no opinion one way or the other on firearms.

Today, however, a report that has nothing to do with rhetoric, hyperbole or rumor.

A very disturbing report that points to a very real assault on ammunition supplies.

The Department of Defense has issued a directive that bans the sale of military brass to ammunition re-manufacturers.

Without that brass, a very large dent is put into civilian ammunition supplies.

New Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service (DRMS) requirements call for the "mutilation of shell casings". Mutilation, incidentally, is the destruction of the property "to the extent that prevents its reuse or reconstruction".

Government officials will determine what constitutes "sufficient mutilation" but it's safe to say that it will no longer be suitable for remanufacturing.

The first word of this latest decision came over the weekend when Georgia Arms' Larry Haynie released a letter notifying him of the new requirement.

For a company with an order in for 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, .308 and .50 BMG, that was not a pleasant notification.

Georgia Arms was remanufacturing more than one million rounds of .223 ammunition monthly; selling that ammo on the civilian market to resellers and to government agencies all over the country.

Tomorrow, Georgia Arms will start sending cancellation notices for .223 ammunition to law enforcement agencies across the United States. Haynie says he may have to layoff half of his sixty-person workforce.

The message is simple. The implication is chilling.
A new welcome page posted on Georgia Arms' website (www.georgia-arms.com) says simply "Due to new government regulations concerning the purchase of surplus brass, we are removing sales of all 223 and all 308 until further notice."

From there, it directs visitors to the government website for contacting elected representatives.

All of us need to start contacting our elected representatives -and telling them, quite directly, that we're not going to put up with a move that not only curtails access to ammunition (nearly all .223 and .308 manufacturing capacity is tied up to satisfy the needs of the military) for civilians - but wastes taxpayers' money turning usable surplus into scrap metal.

Reducing the ammo brass to scrap reduces the value of the metal/surplus by nearly eighty percent. It also means that recast brass - in shippable form - may be shipped to China, one of the largest markets for U.S. metals on the world market.

If this is allowed to go unchallenged, anyone who owns a modern or traditional rifle in .223 or .308 calibers will see the impact- probably sooner than later.

"Anyone" in this context means everyone from recreational shooters to law enforcement trainers.

Pulling military brass out of the consumer supply chain means that all the manufacturing capacity being dedicated to meeting the military need will effectively become unavailable to civilians - forever.

Export rulings, lead bans, and brass mutilation orders from separate areas of the federal government look coincidental - on the surface. I'm not big on conspiracy theories - partially because I doubted the new administration would have gotten its collective act together so rapidly.

Seems I've been wrong on that one - and mistakenly using the word "hoard" when talking about the nearly-insatiable demand for ammunition that continues across the country. Today, laying up of ammunition might be better described as prudent preparation for possible problems.

States are beginning to serve notice to the federal government they will not enforce laws that violate individual rights. The federal government seems intent on creating a society with increasingly higher numbers of people dependent on the government for either sustenance or employment. Average citizens are beginning to grow tired of being asked to "tote the note" for others' irresponsibility.

These are, indeed, uncertain times.

Today, it's important that every reader take time to notify Congress that we - taxpayers - oppose this latest DOD move- and all the other not-so-subtle moves against gun owners.

You can contact your elected officials in Washington by going to this webpage http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml and following the links to your respective Senator or Congressman.

One key member of the United States Senate is Montana's Senator Max Baucus, chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. Baucus could make a call to the Pentagon and let them know their budgets might be reexamined if they don't reconsider this latest directive. At that point, the directive might labeled a "misunderstanding" and rescinded.

But it is important that we keep pressure on Congress.

If that means phone calls, e-mails, and letters, let's get that done. If that doesn't produce results, we need to look beyond symbolic gestures like sending tea bags or bringing hundreds of thousands of gun owners to Washington and state capitols to protest.

These are, indeed, uncertain times. But the time for uncertain actions may be passing.

We'll keep you posted. In the meantime, maintain situational awareness.

--Jim Shepherd

- A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
- Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder. - a really sweet t-shirt
- Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for yourself.
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 2:02 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND
And certain people on here laughed and mocked at those who have stocked up for this.

Not so funny now is it?

(get high capacity mags as these are sure to follow suit)  
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 2:14 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
Here is the part of the story that I found interesting.  Cut and pasted word for word.

"Part of that discounting has been due to the fact that hot-blooded rhetoric seems to run along with firearms ownership.

To the chagrin of industry officials, there's never a shortage of people willing to go on camera, get red-faced and spout "from my cold dead hands" phrases.

Admittedly, those people concern me,"

What?  The time honored slogan of the NRA concerns this guy and he is supposed to be our pro-gun voice?  Am I the only one who was taken back by this comment?
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Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 2:38 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Hey Jiffy, for us 'stocker uppers' maybe we'll have to take our guns OUT of our gunsafes and put all our reloading components IN the safes!  Might be worth more than the rifles themselves.
I dropped in at that little Mandan Sporting goods store Sat and they sure had lots of components - all kinds of primers, not counting powders and bullets.   I didn't look at 9mm or 223 ammo or any other loaded ammo, though.  I bought my usual 'stash' when I dropped in!  OK, I admit I'm a hoarder - not pheasants or bucks, just components!
I sure don't trust the politicians in power, but the trouble is, there are so many cries of 'wolf' nowadays that ultimitely turn out to be internet myths that you never really know what is the real MCoy or not.   Not to belittle this story, but I wish a had a dollar for every panicked and warning e-mail that didn't pan out that I got when Bill Clinton was in power.  Even from when George W was in power.   Just supported the NRA and NSSF and wrote letters and e-mailsm, whish is about all an individual can do.  Right now I average at least 2 or 3 dire warnings per week that when researched, so far haven't held water. 
At least there are getting to be a fair number of pro gun Democrats - like that gal who replaced Hillary!  Wow, is she outspoken!
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 2:58 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/01/2005
Location: ND
Sportsman,

As a guy who not only writes his local representatives in Bismarck but has testified on behalf of pro-gun legislation in front of legislative committees, I have to agree with the statement that you have taken issue with. The NRA uses phrases like, "From my cold dead hands" and "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by six" and "what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?" to fire up supporters, not change the minds of moderates. It's kinda like if a politician were to take a really heated speech from a campaign rally and repeat the same thing at a debate. Although what he's saying may be true, certain phrases have their place.

Don't be mistaken. We're all on the same side here. He's just saying that the media tends to find the people sending the right message to the wrong audience and it reinforces stereotypes that many people have.

Bobkat,

Go to the Georgia Arms link in the article. That seems pretty darned credible to me. Gosh I hope this one gets brought to light and turned around.
- A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
- Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder. - a really sweet t-shirt
- Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for yourself.
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 3:54 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
If brass cannot be sold to 'commericial remanufacturers' maybe it will end up in private markets. Could this be a blessing in disguise?
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 3:57 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Lycanthrope Said:
If brass cannot be sold to 'commericial remanufacturers' maybe it will end up in private markets. Could this be a blessing in disguise?


No! The directive states that all brass is to be DESTROYED! Read the article or visit the Georgia Arms website.
- A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
- Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder. - a really sweet t-shirt
- Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for yourself.
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 3:57 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/11/2002
Location: ND
Kind of hard to put together a militia wiithout ammo.


Whats to stop a private company from manufacturing new brass for public demand?  Sounds to me like a good business venture.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 4:10 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
The demand for muzzleloaders might skyrocket!
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 4:13 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND

As stated in the article, most of our scrap metal goes to China. Even if they resell the brass as scrap metal to US manufacturers the cost is going to go way up. It's just as easy for manufacturers to buy scrap metal from anywhere else. The reason they reload brass is that they can sell it for 35 to 40 cents per round. If they have to manufacture entirely new casings it will be $1 or more per round, just like new rounds for your deer hunting rifle.

- A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
- Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder. - a really sweet t-shirt
- Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for yourself.
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 4:32 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/13/2003
Location: ND
I haven't noticed that weatherby ammo went up in price. And by the way who in the fxxk would want to shoot a .223 pop gun or a .308 slugster anyway, i'm not bitch'n until weatherby ammo goes up. 
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 4:36 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/11/2002
Location: ND
I find myself asking why would they want to do this?  The biggest purchasers of bulk ammo in this country are not lunatics.....they're people like you and me who enjoy shooting.  Why would you want  to take away from them?

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 4:42 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
ggenthusiast Said:
I find myself asking why would they want to do this?  The biggest purchasers of bulk ammo in this country are not lunatics.....they're people like you and me who enjoy shooting.  Why would you want  to take away from them?


This is exactly what all of us bitter clingers have been shouting about. THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION WANTS TO IMPEDE THE ARMING OF CIVILIANS. This should be a surprise to no one.

I'm equally infuriated that our military is going to spend twice as much on ammo because they're buying all new ammo and not making as much selling the spent stuff. Why am I paying taxes again?
- A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson
- Meat is murder... tasty, tasty murder. - a really sweet t-shirt
- Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for yourself.
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 4:46 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 05/23/2002
Location: ND
gg,
To the anti-gunners, you and I and most everybody posting here is a lunatic.  If you have more than a couple guns and a hundred rounds of ammo, you have an "arsenal".

Sportsman,
I am an NRA member who is generally alarmed when a gun story comes on the news and the pro-gun voice is somebody spouting off about "prying it from my cold dead hands".  That type of comment comes off as "whacko" to most people and hurts the cause.  It's also what the media loves to show rather than cool rational people talking about the issues.
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 5:00 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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GG, are you kidding? They dont want to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics and terrorists, they want to take guns away from EVERYBODY. What rock have you been hiding under?

Look at it like this, say car ownership was constitutionally protected but the government wanted people to quit driving them. Easy way to do that would be to take away the gas, thats what they are doing to us essentially.

I read on another site that customs has large shipments of ammunition and reloading supplies tied up indefinately in ports to keep the supplies out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Not sure if its true or not...
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 5:39 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
I'd say you guys answered correctly....they want to take away everyone's guns.   But why?  Do they feel people would be safer, or do they have some other agenda?  I just don't understand why they think they should have an armed body guard with a Glock, yet the average Joe living in D.C. can't own a semi-auto pistol.

Too bad all of the media is busy monitoring our economy.  Meanwhile the bill of rights is being trampled and nobody seems to care.  I looked on the 3 stooges web sites.  Gun control "legislation" apparently isn't an issue even worth listing on their web page.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 5:47 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
This must be Obama's idea of job creation, effectively shutting down Ultramax and Black Hills ammunition in Rapid City and HSM in Stevensville MT.  I'm sure those cities won't notice the loss of those jobs.
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Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 5:51 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Farnorth:  It all depends who is saying those words (I'll give up my gun when ---).  Ever watch Uncle Ted in a debate?  He can use those terms and still make anyone debating against him look like a complete idiot.  Man I love that guy.
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Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 6:08 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: SD
Walkswithwhispers, The price of everything has doubled, so whats new?
Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 6:36 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Horsager Said:
This must be Obama's idea of job creation, effectively shutting down Ultramax and Black Hills ammunition in Rapid City and HSM in Stevensville MT.  I'm sure those cities won't notice the loss of those jobs.


You can't honestly tell me that Obama has any orginal thought of his own...
it's mostly canned wonders that his staff cooks up..
As far as jobs/ job loss- Obama is a big city guy who borderlines on Socalism.... I doubt he gives 2 (&@(&@( about you, I or the average working class way of life.... especially in the upper great plains.

I'm the devil's son..... call me young gun.

Re: The price of ammunition just doubled... and it's going to get worse.
by on 03/16/2009 6:41 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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well the price of coyotes and fox should go up because no one can shoot them other than us hoarders   Kaptain, whos' side are you on????. seems to me you should be on a moveon.org site
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