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The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns

by Bob kellam , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 07/22/2009 08:42 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Bob kellam
Joined: 07/22/2005
Location: ND
The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....81752.html

By Robert M. Morgenthau
You can be forgiven if you thought that Republicans are for states’ rights. The Republican Party’s 2008 platform insists that Congress should respect the limits imposed by the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution, which declares that authority not granted to the federal government is reserved to the states. But for some Republicans, federal preemption of state authority seems just fine if it promotes the possession of guns.

That is the message of a bill sponsored by the chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee, John Thune of South Dakota. The bill, sprung on us as a proposed amendment to a pending defense appropriations bill, would overrule the laws in states like New York.

In New York, the state imposes careful restrictions on who may carry concealed firearms. With the Thune amendment, New York and other states would be obliged to recognize licenses from jurisdictions which choose to issue them practically for the asking.

For example, in Ohio and Missouri, virtually any resident without a criminal record or prior hospitalizations for mental illness can carry a gun. Under the Thune amendment, that Midwesterner could legally carry the gun straight into New York, despite New York’s more stringent rules.

It gets worse. States like Florida and Texas are willing to issue carry permits to nonresidents under policies just as lax as those of Ohio and Missouri. The Thune amendment would provide a legal backdoor to a New Yorker who does not qualify for a carry permit under New York’s state law. The undeserving local applicant could obtain a permit down South, and then be entitled by federal law to carry his concealed gun around New York.

This affront to states’ rights could not be more flagrant, particularly as it would come in a regulatory area that has always been the province of state and local governments. What happened to the Tenth Amendment?

Speaking from a policy perspective, the last thing New York needs is a federal rule that lets more guns into the state. About 85% of the gun crimes in New York City are committed with weapons smuggled in from those other states that make gun ownership easy. Federal action is needed to shut down the pipeline that brings these guns to our streets.

The Second Amendment may allow gun possession for home defense under some circumstances. But it provides no excuse for the kind of lax federal regulation of which the Thune amendment is just an instance. Nor is there any logical basis for another instance of lax federal law, the Brady law of 1993, which allows the sale of weapons at gun shows without even a minimal background check on the purchaser.

Moreover, the National Rifle Association’s paranoia, coupled with congressional cowardice, has resulted in absurd limits on the ability of law enforcement to examine the very inventory records that the law requires gun dealers to keep. That cripples the ability of the authorities to investigate violent gun crimes and illegal weapons dealing.

We need fewer guns on our streets, not more. Mr. Thune’s legislative ploy should be roundly rejected by Congress.

Mr. Morgenthau has been the district attorney for New York county since 1975.
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by jokostel on 07/22/2009 08:46 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
jokostel
Joined: 10/24/2005
Location: ND
 Far as Im concerned It should be an Amendment in the Constitution to REQUIRE everyone of legal voting age to own at LEAST one firearm.

Im guessing two things would happen...
Crime would plummet, and politicans would be a LOT more honest.

I'm the devil's son..... call me young gun.
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by svnmag on 07/22/2009 09:02 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
Agreed with the topic.  Until we can get all those commie/socialists to suckle and play with the breast in Europe; why drive health care costs more skyward?  You know they'd bitch about missing toes and eyes.  As entertaining as may be, we'd still pay out the arse for their foibles.
svnmag



                                                                                                    
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by HUNTNFISHND on 07/22/2009 09:03 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
HUNTNFISHND
Joined: 07/13/2003
Location: ND
For example, in Ohio and Missouri, virtually any resident without a criminal record or prior hospitalizations for mental illness can carry a gun. Under the Thune amendment, that Midwesterner could legally carry the gun straight into New York, despite New York’s more stringent rules.
Why shouldn't he be allowed to?

He is a law abiding citizen who has no criminal record or mental illness!

That's whats wrong with these laws. Let's punish people for others crimes!
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by svnmag on 07/22/2009 09:07 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
svnmag
Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
Agreed with the topic.  Until we can get all those commie/socialists to suckle and play with the breast in Europe; why drive health care costs more skyward?  You know they'd bitch about missing toes and eyes.  As entertaining as may be, we'd still pay out the arse for their foibles.
svnmag



                                                                                                    
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by Jiffy on 07/22/2009 09:22 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND
I will never understand the mentallity that LESS law abiding people carrying will INCREASE violent crimes.  You can't limit the tool in which crimes are comitted and think it's going to make a difference.  Bad guys will carry/posses guns if it's legal or not.  They don't care, they are bad guys!

People with this type of thinking make my blood boil.....

I do realize what this Morgenthau dude is getting at.  Essentially he is pointing out the fact that he doesn’t think all of the states requirements in obtaining a CCP are stringent enough.


To that I say POPPYCOCK!!! 

(grin)
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by ggenthusiast on 07/22/2009 09:37 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
ggenthusiast
Joined: 09/11/2002
Location: ND
"The Second Amendment may allow gun possession for home defense under some circumstances"

Where the hell did this guy learn how to read and comprehend?  The right "shall not be infringed".  How does someone interpret that as "home defense in some circumstances"?

The fact is that he doesn't like the 2nd amendment as it is, and wants it changed.  Sorry, but our country has trampled on it enough already.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by Jiffy on 07/22/2009 10:01 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
Jiffy
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When is this being voted on?

I would like to follow this one.  I doubt it will pass but I would like to follow it.
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by Farnorth on 07/22/2009 10:24 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Joined: 05/23/2002
Location: ND
Senator Thune came up with an amendment that seems to eliminate most of the confusion regarding concealed carry reciprocity.  Basically, if you are licensed in any state, you are good wherever you go.  Kind of like how a driver's license from ND is good everywhere in the country.

I don't know if this particular attempt will fly but it would certainly clear some things up.  I do have some concerns about how far we want to carry this type of approach.  I am a strong supporter of state's rights and there are a lot of issues where this same type of approach (universal reciprocity) would be something I would oppose.
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by Bob kellam on 07/22/2009 11:44 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Failed this morning by 2 votes
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by Rowdie on 07/22/2009 7:12 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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Location: ND

How did the ND senators from ND vote?
Re: The Last Thing New York Needs Is More Guns
by Jiffy on 07/22/2009 7:27 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |
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The "ND senators from ND" voted yea......
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Posted By: Bob kellam
Posted On: 07/22/2009 08:42 AM
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