Dick now that election day is getting very close don't think you  should answer several questions just to clear the air.   Who is paying for the FC web site??    And can you explain this article with a direct link to the FC site?  If the FC gruop is paying for thier own site why would they allow such a thing if there is no collision between the HSUS and FC?



http://www.humanesociety.org/about/depa ... tives.html

Dick, I honestly believe the voters of ND would much rather hear what someone from ND has to say about a measure that will directly affect ND citizens, rather than someone from out of state regardless of his lineage.  Perhaps if those sponsors answered a handful of questions regarding their measure rather than posting out of staters responses the citizens of ND could cast an informed ballot on this issue. But then again perhaps the sponsors do not really want the voters to be TOO informed as to this measure and it's true intent.

By Theodore Roosevelt IV..

TR came to the Great Plains when there was little left to hunt. Piles of buffalo bones acted as windbreaks for the passage of new settlers, but only a scattered few bison remained. Hunting had descended into reckless slaughter, and Roosevelt with a number of other formidable outdoorsmen came together to establish the rules of Fair Chase and the Boone and Crockett Club to ensure that what was wild in the West endured.

It is funny that TR IV conveniently leaves out the fact some on here have a problem with that it was Teddy Roosevelt himself that "took" these animals from the public and placed them on private ranches.

By Theodore Roosevelt IV.

 

.The opponents of Measure 2 are telling you that you must tolerate what is an aberration of ethical hunting or else invite an infringement on your property rights and other hunting activities. I don’t believe that the good residents of North Dakota are so impervious to balance and decency in their lives. Our democracy cannot be allowed to devolve from a responsibility-centered citizenry to a rights-centered citizenry.

Perhaps TR IV should undertand what his ancestor did that a true Democracy is not what this country was intended to be for good reason.  

 I wonder if his ancestor and those people he quotes him spending time with would sooner see this "responsibility - centered citizenry" be able to make these choices of responsibility themselves, or if they would rather a group of people continue to push laws so that the govt dictates to the citizenry what these responsibilities should be.

Yes, Measure 2 is about more than canned hunts: It’s about preserving an ancient tradition; it’s about treating the community of life and nature around us decently and fairly; it’s about putting our faith first in doing the right thing.

I wonder if someone that carved a life out of the hard praries in western ND would consider taking away someone elses livlihood they have created and built thru hardwork is how one treats their "community of life and nature around us decently and fairly" ?

I wonder if TR himself had a group of self appointed arrogant eliteists legislating to him what choices they could make or if he believed the hunter himself should be the one making that decision.

I wonder what TR would think of a group like HSUS whose primary  purpose is to ban hunting  and ranching and a group of hunters ,NDH for FC taking a page out of their play book and pushing an agenda that runs parrallel to theirs?

I can't picture him thinking to highly of a group like this, either one of them.

www.undueinfluence.com/alliance_for_climate_protection.htm

Alliance for Climate Protection Board of Directors - As of May 3, 2010

Name Title
Al Gore Chairman
Larry J. Schweiger President, National Wildlife Federation
Orin S. Kramer General Partner, Boston Provident, L.P.
Carol Browner former EPA Administrator,
Obama's White House Energy Czar
Sherwood Boehlert former GOP Representative
Theodore Roosevelt IV Chair, Pew Center for Global Climate Change
Prof. Wangari Maathai Nobel laureate, Green Belt Movement founder
Prof. Joseph Stiglitz Columbia University Economist, Nobel Memorial
Kevin Wall CEO, Control Room

willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/partnered-with-gore-in-his-cap-and-trade-venture-capitalist-companies-are-ceos-from-goldman-sachs-and-lehman-brothers/


tomnelson.blogspot.com/2008/09/lehman-brothers-close-ties-to-gore.html


www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/lehman_brothers.php

pber Said:
www.undueinfluence.com/alliance_for_climate_protection.htm

Alliance for Climate Protection Board of Directors - As of May 3, 2010

Name Title
Al Gore Chairman
Larry J. Schweiger President, National Wildlife Federation
Orin S. Kramer General Partner, Boston Provident, L.P.
Carol Browner former EPA Administrator,
Obama's White House Energy Czar
Sherwood Boehlert former GOP Representative
Theodore Roosevelt IV Chair, Pew Center for Global Climate Change
Prof. Wangari Maathai Nobel laureate, Green Belt Movement founder
Prof. Joseph Stiglitz Columbia University Economist, Nobel Memorial
Kevin Wall CEO, Control Room

willyloman.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/partnered-with-gore-in-his-cap-and-trade-venture-capitalist-companies-are-ceos-from-goldman-sachs-and-lehman-brothers/


tomnelson.blogspot.com/2008/09/lehman-brothers-close-ties-to-gore.html


www.treehugger.com/files/2007/03/lehman_brothers.php

well that blows his credibility out of the water.  anybody that buys into that BS has little to no brain capacity.

HEY DICK......

What does Theodore Roosevelt IV have to do with North Dakota......NOTHING take your trash elsewhere.

QUOTE:

"It is funny that TR IV conveniently leaves out the fact some on here have a problem with that it was Teddy Roosevelt himself that "took" these animals from the public and placed them on private ranches"

Huh?  I've stayed out of all these arguments and yeeling contests,, but as of this morning I've read all of Teddy's books, several of them twice!  The only explanation for the above statement would be the buffalo.  Yes he was instrumental to saving the  handful of buffalo that were still around the turn of the century, but other animals?
Not saying you are wrong, just curious about your statement.  Oh yes, Teddy was big on Zoos for wildlife education but that's hardly relevant. .  

I'm absolutely no authority on Teddy, but yes, I have read most, I thought ALL of his books, till I found one on Amazon a few hours ago (THE BIG BURN) and I just downloaded it!.    
 I have an opinion of how he would vote on the high fence thing, but who could ever prove what he would think of it, one way or another, so won't comment on that!
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What got me reading Teddy's books was that I happened to be at the Legislature testifying for something else when the high fence thing was debated, so stuck my head in the room just in time to hear the HF guys testify.  Several times I heard how Teddy would have defended high fence hunting and would defend it and participate in it and how he would have thought it was our heritage,, blah blab blah......  
So that got me curious, and I first read his book "ON HUNTING" and found it so interesting I read the rest of them!  The bad news -  Be warned - before you read a lot of Teddy's book, there's days and days of rather dry boring uninteresting reading that you'll fight tio stay awake reading it!  .  Some of his books are great, though.  Mostly his hunting and adventure books, the Panama Canal behind the scenes story, and remniscences of why and how he fought the mining, lumber and big rairoad businesses back then, a fact we all jump for joy now!    He was a sneaky little guy and hated by big business, but in 2 weeks I'm hunting elk in some of the land he saved for us all!
No more posts on this from me, but just curious.  If I missed something in my reading travels, I'd be happy if someone points it out.  Thanks.

I was born and raised in the area of North Dakota where Teddy Roosevelt's legacy is indeed legendary. We take pride in the fact that the land and spirit of this area is very much a part of the people who spend time here just as TR did and imho the use of his namesake to push an agenda amongst the people who do truly care about the history and legacy of TR an North Dakota is pathetic. I really dont care which side of the proverbial "fence" anyone is on I do believe there are honest people on each side and the truely honest ones all have good points. However, I think the landowner rights issue wins out for me whether its a fenced "hunt" or any other property issue. Is this just a final push to save your dying agenda because throwing a name out there and expecting people to stand up and cheer is sad and cheap and I'll admit it sure does work someplaces in America but not in ND, at least I hope.

mauserG33-40 Said:
Dick now that election day is getting very close don't think you  should answer several questions just to clear the air.   Who is paying for the FC web site??    And can you explain this article with a direct link to the FC site?  If the FC gruop is paying for thier own site why would they allow such a thing if there is no collision between the HSUS and FC?



http://www.humanesociety.org/about/depa ... tives.html

North Dakota: YES! on Measure 2

North Dakota voters in November will decide whether to stop the trophy shooting of captive animals trapped behind fences – an inhumane and unsportsmanlike practice opposed by hunters and non-hunters alike. These ‘canned hunting’ operations offer wealthy customers the opportunity to kill tame, captive animals for guaranteed trophies.

For more information, visit NorthDakotaFairChase.com.

You exposed yourself here, O' muaserboy!     Now its about the "wealthy". 
Got a chip on your shoulder? 
Should we not allow this law to stop the NPS from having their canned "hunt" after all those poor Elk are fenced in?  They can't escape! O'God their helpless! Stop the Hunt Now!!!

The Wise will VOTE NO!

The stupid will sit around and bitch about the the "wealthy"and how they choose to spend their money.or about how landowners use their Land!
Yeah, that's a real American way to approach the issue.

 

gst Said:
Dick, I honestly believe the voters of ND would much rather hear what someone from ND has to say about a measure that will directly affect ND citizens, rather than someone from out of state regardless of his lineage. 

gst,  Does that opinion hold true no matter which side of the discussion they take?


FWIW, I agree wholeheartedly with you on this.

Allen, in my opinion yes it does, whatever side one may take. I really do not care if people outside the state comment regardless of their position,( these HSUS type measures will ultimately affect everyone) I will simple give what ever weight to their comments I feel I should based on the factual, logical, relevant content of what they say. But when a SPONSOR of this measure choses to use people outside of ND to justify their position while not taking the time to openly discuss concerns citizens of this state have with this measure, I simply do not think what that sponsor or the person they are quoting have much of anything relevant to add.

bobcat said,

What got me reading Teddy's books was that I happened to be at the Legislature testifying for something else when the high fence thing was debated, so stuck my head in the room just in time to hear the HF guys testify.  Several times I heard how Teddy would have defended high fence hunting and would defend it and participate in it and how he would have thought it was our heritage,, blah blab blah...... 

Dr. bobcat sir, it was co-chairman Gary Masching who brought up Theodore Roosevelt. Gary said Roosevelt would turn over in his grave if he could see these high fence operations. Sen. Connie Triplet replied if Roosevelt could see what we are doing to property rights he would reach out and get us.

No one from the high fence side claimed to know what Roosevelt would think. But it was pointed out that when he was president he had in fact instructed his Secretary of Ag to explore game farms to preserve these animals.

Elk, bison and deer have made a great comeback. It took sportsmen, conservationists, ranchers and landowners working together to accomplish what we have today.

You are probably right, Fritz, but like I said, I wasa busy in another committe and didn't stick my head in till the pro HFH were speaking, and twice different people at the microphone  mentioned Teddy R and our heritage and all that nonsense.    But I'll surrender to you. 
I've already voted anyway!  Was going to be away, but turned out couldn't make it, so voted last week!  For all the right people and measures, too! 

Sure be nice when all this crap is over and done with.  Will finally be put to bed no matter what!