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Tail race -

by , Posted to on 03/04/2013 09:17 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/17/2004
Location: ND
Finally have a free weekend and my son and I are looking to head fishing somewhere - anywhere.  He likes to throw cranks.  Has anyone fished the tail race this time of year from shore?  Shoot me a PM if you if you can. 

Thanks. 
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by on 03/04/2013 09:25 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/15/2002
Location: ND
Night fishing the rocks on the west side should be good now,   Try # 8 Huskyjerks VERY slow.  Probably best time is about 2 hours before sunrise.
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by on 03/04/2013 09:26 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/26/2009
Location: ND
hardly any walleyes being caught, lots of small pike, an extremely rare big brown trout, and some random drum and carp is about all that is being caught.

out of approximately 25 people one day last week, I saw 1 walleye caught.
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by on 03/04/2013 09:41 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
 I actually fished from the rocks on Friday for around 3 hours. Not a single bite. It's slow, really slow.
 
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by on 03/04/2013 11:28 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/18/2009
Location: ND
 The G&F said this past week you will be lucky to catch a limit on the river this year outside of the spawning period.   The tailrace will be substantially down because of the flush the past two years knocking out sandbars, weeds/trees, and most of the forage food the walleyes survived on.   

The biggest fish will be hurt the quickest.   The best opportunities for walleye will be Sakakawea & Audubon.  Don't count on much luck for Oahe and the Garrison reach of the river system.
 
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by on 03/04/2013 11:41 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/06/2009
Location: ND
I have to dissagree with G-man.  There maybe less structure through bismarck as I have not fished that far south but from Washburn to the tailrace there is as much structure if not more than there was before the big flows.  There will always be fish holding in the tailrace due to the smelt coming through the dam. 
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by on 03/04/2013 11:44 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/26/2009
Location: ND
I have noticed in the last 6 months a drastic decline in the ciscoe that were once almost thick enough to walk accross the river on.  anyone seeing any ciscoes further south.  I havn't seen a single one in the last 3 trips to the tailrace.
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by on 03/04/2013 12:14 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/23/2004
Location: ND
Last year at this time, you could see tens of thousands of ciscos in the Honey Hole area.   A G&F Fisheries biologist told me that he didn't think they would survive in the river, and I guess he was right.   If they would have been able to spawn, it may have been a good substitute forage fish for walleyes to make up for the lost smelt.   I have seen a lot of suckers on the bottom, but no ciscos over the winter.   Walleye fishing this winter was the worst it's been in twenty years.   The fish we catch are decent, but no consistent numbers.
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by on 03/04/2013 12:19 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/26/2009
Location: ND
XERO Said:
Last year at this time, you could see tens of thousands of ciscos in the Honey Hole area.   A G&F Fisheries biologist told me that he didn't think they would survive in the river, and I guess he was right.   If they would have been able to spawn, it may have been a good substitute forage fish for walleyes to make up for the lost smelt.   I have seen a lot of suckers on the bottom, but no ciscos over the winter.   Walleye fishing this winter was the worst it's been in twenty years.   The fish we catch are decent, but no consistent numbers.
I think the massive amounts of fishing pressure the tailrace has seen the last couple years took it's toll as it usually does when it gets really hot every decade or so.  The good news is 99% of them will forget all about the tailrace and leave it open to the rest of us looking for salmon, trout, pike, and the dozens of other species in there.

I havn't been really targeting them, but I havn't caught hardly any walleyes down there this winter.

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by on 03/04/2013 3:54 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/18/2009
Location: ND
 
Riggen&Jiggen Said:
I have to dissagree with G-man.  There maybe less structure through bismarck as I have not fished that far south but from Washburn to the tailrace there is as much structure if not more than there was before the big flows.  There will always be fish holding in the tailrace due to the smelt coming through the dam. 

I'm just relaying what the G&F Biologist out of Riverdale said this past week.  The walleye you do see in the upper area of the river will be deprived of a good food source and be smaller than any average walleye in the same age bracket.  He said the larger they are will be the first to die off because of the 2011 flush.  

He also said the same thing happened to Oahe and that is why that pond will also suffer (flush of the shad downstream).  Oahe fish population will be low and that is how the Bismarck / Hazelton areas will become lower after the spawn catches.


 
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by on 03/04/2013 3:58 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/03/2004
Location: ND
At least those jackwagons left some water in Sak. Now I just gotta figure out how to justify hauling the boat there with the increased fuel prices...
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by on 03/04/2013 6:49 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/27/2009
Location: ND
 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.
 
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by on 03/04/2013 6:59 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
They are also going to be re doing the road that was at the south end of the spillway lake 
measure-it Said:
 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.


 
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by on 03/05/2013 12:52 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/20/2003
Location: ND
Lycanthrope Said:
At least those jackwagons left some water in Sak. Now I just gotta figure out how to justify hauling the boat there with the increased fuel prices...

You haven't been to the big lake lately.....

Its a shame what they've done to it in this short a period of time.

 

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by on 03/05/2013 1:48 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/30/2002
Location: ND
taylorman_55 Said:
They are also going to be re doing the road that was at the south end of the spillway lake 
measure-it Said:
 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.


Taylor,

What do you know about the lake level are they lowering it to work on the dam?

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by on 03/05/2013 1:56 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/24/2010
Location: ND
I have "heard" they are planning on lowering it slightly more . Of course this is rumor mill, but coming from multiple sources in the Pick City/Riverdale area that work at the powerplant on the dam. Seems to me that the way it sits now they could probably work on a few spillway gates! The lake seems pretty damn low right now.    
BAW Said:
taylorman_55 Said:
They are also going to be re doing the road that was at the south end of the spillway lake 
measure-it Said:
 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.


Taylor,

What do you know about the lake level are they lowering it to work on the dam?



 
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by on 03/05/2013 3:50 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/28/2002
Location: ND
forgive me but I really dont know much about this dam so this might be a dumb question. I havent been across the dam since 2008 and everyone was saying how low the water was. Then in 2011(???) it fills up with the flood (wish I would have drove out to actually see the lake full) but now it is already really low again? This thing fluctuates that fast? Is it as low as it was a few years ago?
Where's my bobber?
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by on 03/05/2013 4:38 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/26/2009
Location: ND
well it was at around 1804 feet above sea level, then filled to around 1854, and now its down in the 1820s.  Pretty crazy fluctuations huh?
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by on 03/05/2013 8:29 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/23/2004
Location: ND
Garrison releases are being reduced from the current 23,000 cfs to 21,000 cfs tomorrow.  They are scheduled to go to 19,000 cfs on Friday, and 17,000 cfs on Sunday, and finally to 15,500 cfs on Tuesday.   That should help stop the bleeding from Sakakawea, and lower the river by a couple of feet.  It remains to be seen if the fishing will improve with the lower releases.
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by on 03/08/2013 00:42 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
Reading through this thread, watching Mitchell's vid on Ft Peck lakers and reading this:

http://www.ontariofishing.net/news/feb2007-2.html

--has me wondering if a concerted effort should be made to replace the smelt base with ciscoes in the lake.  I'm sure I'm behind the power curve but still enjoy discussions such as these and additional education.

 

 Nuke the Whales
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by on 03/08/2013 00:46 AM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
"They have an extensive range, they're prolific spawners, and there's even evidence suggesting that ciscoe can and will alter their spawning behaviour to offset factors like shoreline development and dropping water levels. Research on big, Minnesota lakes like Mille Lacs has documented spawners dropping eggs over open water, away from their traditional sandy or gravel shoreline spots."
 Nuke the Whales
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