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Finally have a free weekend and my son and I are looking to head fishing somewhere - anywhere.  He likes to throw cranks.  Has anyone fished the tail race this time of year from shore?  Shoot me a PM if you if you can. 

Thanks. 

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Night fishing the rocks on the west side should be good now,   Try # 8 Huskyjerks VERY slow.  Probably best time is about 2 hours before sunrise.

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hardly any walleyes being caught, lots of small pike, an extremely rare big brown trout, and some random drum and carp is about all that is being caught.

out of approximately 25 people one day last week, I saw 1 walleye caught.

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 I actually fished from the rocks on Friday for around 3 hours. Not a single bite. It's slow, really slow.

 

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 The G&F said this past week you will be lucky to catch a limit on the river this year outside of the spawning period.   The tailrace will be substantially down because of the flush the past two years knocking out sandbars, weeds/trees, and most of the forage food the walleyes survived on.   

The biggest fish will be hurt the quickest.   The best opportunities for walleye will be Sakakawea & Audubon.  Don't count on much luck for Oahe and the Garrison reach of the river system.

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I have to dissagree with G-man.  There maybe less structure through bismarck as I have not fished that far south but from Washburn to the tailrace there is as much structure if not more than there was before the big flows.  There will always be fish holding in the tailrace due to the smelt coming through the dam. 

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I have noticed in the last 6 months a drastic decline in the ciscoe that were once almost thick enough to walk accross the river on.  anyone seeing any ciscoes further south.  I havn't seen a single one in the last 3 trips to the tailrace.

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Last year at this time, you could see tens of thousands of ciscos in the Honey Hole area.   A G&F Fisheries biologist told me that he didn't think they would survive in the river, and I guess he was right.   If they would have been able to spawn, it may have been a good substitute forage fish for walleyes to make up for the lost smelt.   I have seen a lot of suckers on the bottom, but no ciscos over the winter.   Walleye fishing this winter was the worst it's been in twenty years.   The fish we catch are decent, but no consistent numbers.

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XERO Said:
Last year at this time, you could see tens of thousands of ciscos in the Honey Hole area.   A G&F Fisheries biologist told me that he didn't think they would survive in the river, and I guess he was right.   If they would have been able to spawn, it may have been a good substitute forage fish for walleyes to make up for the lost smelt.   I have seen a lot of suckers on the bottom, but no ciscos over the winter.   Walleye fishing this winter was the worst it's been in twenty years.   The fish we catch are decent, but no consistent numbers.

I think the massive amounts of fishing pressure the tailrace has seen the last couple years took it's toll as it usually does when it gets really hot every decade or so.  The good news is 99% of them will forget all about the tailrace and leave it open to the rest of us looking for salmon, trout, pike, and the dozens of other species in there.

I havn't been really targeting them, but I havn't caught hardly any walleyes down there this winter.

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I have to dissagree with G-man.  There maybe less structure through bismarck as I have not fished that far south but from Washburn to the tailrace there is as much structure if not more than there was before the big flows.  There will always be fish holding in the tailrace due to the smelt coming through the dam. 

I'm just relaying what the G&F Biologist out of Riverdale said this past week.  The walleye you do see in the upper area of the river will be deprived of a good food source and be smaller than any average walleye in the same age bracket.  He said the larger they are will be the first to die off because of the 2011 flush.  

He also said the same thing happened to Oahe and that is why that pond will also suffer (flush of the shad downstream).  Oahe fish population will be low and that is how the Bismarck / Hazelton areas will become lower after the spawn catches.


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At least those jackwagons left some water in Sak. Now I just gotta figure out how to justify hauling the boat there with the increased fuel prices...

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 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.

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They are also going to be re doing the road that was at the south end of the spillway lake 

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 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.

 

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Lycanthrope Said:
At least those jackwagons left some water in Sak. Now I just gotta figure out how to justify hauling the boat there with the increased fuel prices...

You haven't been to the big lake lately.....

Its a shame what they've done to it in this short a period of time.

 

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taylorman_55 Said:
They are also going to be re doing the road that was at the south end of the spillway lake 

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 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.

Taylor,

What do you know about the lake level are they lowering it to work on the dam?

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I have "heard" they are planning on lowering it slightly more . Of course this is rumor mill, but coming from multiple sources in the Pick City/Riverdale area that work at the powerplant on the dam. Seems to me that the way it sits now they could probably work on a few spillway gates! The lake seems pretty damn low right now.    

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taylorman_55 Said:
They are also going to be re doing the road that was at the south end of the spillway lake 

measure-it Said:
 I heard that they are going to really lower the lake this year so they can fix the spillway gate(s)..... like it's not already very low--1827.4 ft.

Taylor,

What do you know about the lake level are they lowering it to work on the dam?

 

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forgive me but I really dont know much about this dam so this might be a dumb question. I havent been across the dam since 2008 and everyone was saying how low the water was. Then in 2011(???) it fills up with the flood (wish I would have drove out to actually see the lake full) but now it is already really low again? This thing fluctuates that fast? Is it as low as it was a few years ago?

Where's my bobber?

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well it was at around 1804 feet above sea level, then filled to around 1854, and now its down in the 1820s.  Pretty crazy fluctuations huh?

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Garrison releases are being reduced from the current 23,000 cfs to 21,000 cfs tomorrow.  They are scheduled to go to 19,000 cfs on Friday, and 17,000 cfs on Sunday, and finally to 15,500 cfs on Tuesday.   That should help stop the bleeding from Sakakawea, and lower the river by a couple of feet.  It remains to be seen if the fishing will improve with the lower releases.

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Reading through this thread, watching Mitchell's vid on Ft Peck lakers and reading this:

http://www.ontariofishing.net/news/feb2007-2.html

--has me wondering if a concerted effort should be made to replace the smelt base with ciscoes in the lake.  I'm sure I'm behind the power curve but still enjoy discussions such as these and additional education.

 

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"They have an extensive range, they're prolific spawners, and there's even evidence suggesting that ciscoe can and will alter their spawning behaviour to offset factors like shoreline development and dropping water levels. Research on big, Minnesota lakes like Mille Lacs has documented spawners dropping eggs over open water, away from their traditional sandy or gravel shoreline spots."

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 I remember in other threads how I got blasted about this by others.  Snap!

Dakota G-man Said:
 The G&F said this past week you will be lucky to catch a limit on the river this year outside of the spawning period.   The tailrace will be substantially down because of the flush the past two years knocking out sandbars, weeds/trees, and most of the forage food the walleyes survived on.   

The biggest fish will be hurt the quickest.   The best opportunities for walleye will be Sakakawea & Audubon.  Don't count on much luck for Oahe and the Garrison reach of the river system.


 

 

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To me they seem to grow so dang fast and then not too much will be able to feed on them. I've heard everything else in you're paragraph below so that may offset my question above ,but to me if they load the lake with those things then I want my sucker minnows for bait back 

svnmag Said:
"They have an extensive range, they're prolific spawners, and there's even evidence suggesting that ciscoe can and will alter their spawning behaviour to offset factors like shoreline development and dropping water levels. Research on big, Minnesota lakes like Mille Lacs has documented spawners dropping eggs over open water, away from their traditional sandy or gravel shoreline spots."

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I am on twitch's side.  

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To me they seem to grow so dang fast and then not too much will be able to feed on them. I've heard everything else in you're paragraph below so that may offset my question above ,but to me if they load the lake with those things then I want my sucker minnows for bait back 
svnmag Said:
"They have an extensive range, they're prolific spawners, and there's even evidence suggesting that ciscoe can and will alter their spawning behaviour to offset factors like shoreline development and dropping water levels. Research on big, Minnesota lakes like Mille Lacs has documented spawners dropping eggs over open water, away from their traditional sandy or gravel shoreline spots."


 

 

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svnmag Said:
Reading through this thread, watching Mitchell's vid on Ft Peck lakers and reading this:

http://www.ontariofishing.net/news/feb2007-2.html

--has me wondering if a concerted effort should be made to replace the smelt base with ciscoes in the lake.  I'm sure I'm behind the power curve but still enjoy discussions such as these and additional education.

 

There is no effort that can be done by man to improve the current cisco status in that system, they have been in there a long time and have done the best they can.  I don't think they will ever thrive well enough there to become a primary food source and replace the smelt.

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yep oahe will suck this year no fish to be caught.  I hope everyone believes this garbage so i can have the lake to my self

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 I'm pretty sure they mean that the walleye will be always feeding this year so great fishing but after they go hungry long enough, there won't be good recruitment in the next year or two class.

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yep oahe will suck this year no fish to be caught.  I hope everyone believes this garbage so i can have the lake to my self



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I wonder if we could get a G&F guy to explain why Cisco would not make it in Sak.  I know there is some in the lake but not sure of the population.  It is very frustrating to think we have a huge lake like Sak and no one can find a alternative baitfish from smelt.  I would not get to concerned about a baitfish getting too big for fish to eat.  When fishing at Ft. Peck I caught a 13 inch walleye that had a cisco tail hanging out it's mouth.  So I start pulling and the cisco was at least 8 inches.  That is only 5 inches shorter than the walleye.  A few years back up at Grano I was lucky enought to get a 9 1/2 and 11 lb walleye in the same day.  I put them in my live well to take pictures and they both threw up several perch that were 7 to 8 inches.  The 11lber must of threw up at least 6 of them.  I am lucky I weighed it right away because I bet it lost a 1lb throwing up all of those perch.  So for Sak we can't put any shad in it because it ices over in the winter.  The smelt are finicky spawners and can't tollerate warmer temps when the water gets low.  We can't count on perch because of the lack of weed cover and the predators quickly gobble them up.  Is there no baitfish that can make it in Sak?  Seems crazy to me to think that Sak is such a unique body of water that smelt is our only option.  Why not give the excisting cisco population a little help and stock them before they spawn in the fall.  Or at least experiment with other baitfish.  I think our G&F do a pretty good job but when it comes to things like this they are re-active instead of pro-active.  Maybe it is because of all political bull that it takes so long to try something new.  It would be nice to see them grab the bull by the horns and try something innovative for once instead of following the status quo.

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I wonder if we could get a G&F guy to explain why Cisco would not make it in Sak.  I know there is some in the lake but not sure of the population.  It is very frustrating to think we have a huge lake like Sak and no one can find a alternative baitfish from smelt.  I would not get to concerned about a baitfish getting too big for fish to eat.  When fishing at Ft. Peck I caught a 13 inch walleye that had a cisco tail hanging out it's mouth.  So I start pulling and the cisco was at least 8 inches.  That is only 5 inches shorter than the walleye.  A few years back up at Grano I was lucky enought to get a 9 1/2 and 11 lb walleye in the same day.  I put them in my live well to take pictures and they both threw up several perch that were 7 to 8 inches.  The 11lber must of threw up at least 6 of them.  I am lucky I weighed it right away because I bet it lost a 1lb throwing up all of those perch.  So for Sak we can't put any shad in it because it ices over in the winter.  The smelt are finicky spawners and can't tollerate warmer temps when the water gets low.  We can't count on perch because of the lack of weed cover and the predators quickly gobble them up.  Is there no baitfish that can make it in Sak?  Seems crazy to me to think that Sak is such a unique body of water that smelt is our only option.  Why not give the excisting cisco population a little help and stock them before they spawn in the fall.  Or at least experiment with other baitfish.  I think our G&F do a pretty good job but when it comes to things like this they are re-active instead of pro-active.  Maybe it is because of all political bull that it takes so long to try something new.  It would be nice to see them grab the bull by the horns and try something innovative for once instead of following the status quo.

just like smelt and shad, cisco have their kryptonite and achilles heels as well.  cisco do pretty good in sakakawea and there are lots of them, but I don't think they are as prolific of a spawner as the smelt.  smelt can go from 10 fish, to 10 million in a shorth amount of time, where as the cisco may only go from 10 to 10 thousand.

another thing you have to remember is we are artificially increasing the biomass of a system beyond what it should be able to support, and compared to how many fish would be available for angling if we simply left the management to mother nature, I think its done pretty good so far. 

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so will  I be able to hammer 20" eyes all day in my boat this spring on the river or not? Thats the only question I have. ha

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only 18-19 inchers. Sorry.  

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so will  I be able to hammer 20" eyes all day in my boat this spring on the river or not? Thats the only question I have. ha

 

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bowhunter_24 Said:
so will  I be able to hammer 20" eyes all day in my boat this spring on the river or not? Thats the only question I have. ha

No, but you will be able to watch those around you catch them.

Hope that helps...

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Riggen&Jiggen Said:
I wonder if we could get a G&F guy to explain why Cisco would not make it in Sak.  I know there is some in the lake but not sure of the population.  It is very frustrating to think we have a huge lake like Sak and no one can find a alternative baitfish from smelt.  I would not get to concerned about a baitfish getting too big for fish to eat.  When fishing at Ft. Peck I caught a 13 inch walleye that had a cisco tail hanging out it's mouth.  So I start pulling and the cisco was at least 8 inches.  That is only 5 inches shorter than the walleye.  A few years back up at Grano I was lucky enought to get a 9 1/2 and 11 lb walleye in the same day.  I put them in my live well to take pictures and they both threw up several perch that were 7 to 8 inches.  The 11lber must of threw up at least 6 of them.  I am lucky I weighed it right away because I bet it lost a 1lb throwing up all of those perch.  So for Sak we can't put any shad in it because it ices over in the winter.  The smelt are finicky spawners and can't tollerate warmer temps when the water gets low.  We can't count on perch because of the lack of weed cover and the predators quickly gobble them up.  Is there no baitfish that can make it in Sak?  Seems crazy to me to think that Sak is such a unique body of water that smelt is our only option.  Why not give the excisting cisco population a little help and stock them before they spawn in the fall.  Or at least experiment with other baitfish.  I think our G&F do a pretty good job but when it comes to things like this they are re-active instead of pro-active.  Maybe it is because of all political bull that it takes so long to try something new.  It would be nice to see them grab the bull by the horns and try something innovative for once instead of following the status quo.

just like smelt and shad, cisco have their kryptonite and achilles heels as well.  cisco do pretty good in sakakawea and there are lots of them, but I don't think they are as prolific of a spawner as the smelt.  smelt can go from 10 fish, to 10 million in a shorth amount of time, where as the cisco may only go from 10 to 10 thousand.

another thing you have to remember is we are artificially increasing the biomass of a system beyond what it should be able to support, and compared to how many fish would be available for angling if we simply left the management to mother nature, I think its done pretty good so far. 

Plenty of Cisco but they get so darn big.


 

 

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so will  I be able to hammer 20" eyes all day in my boat this spring on the river or not? Thats the only question I have. ha

Big Muddy tourney will tell the tale I think.  But some I know that fish the river like crazy both Tailrace and Bismarck said they have their concerns.

Again, I was dragged through the coals saying this last year.  But anyway....

I mean, the flush of 2011 brought half of the salmon caught down at Oahe FROM NORTH DAKOTA.  That means it shipped a lot of water, a lot of forage and changed a lot of structure along the way.  We shipped no less than 80% of the smelt out of the river system.  Compared to 1997 this flush was much longer and much more fierce.  We then tipped right into a dry year so the best conditions for rebounding forage (not just smelt but other forage fish) were not very appealing.
 
 
What I hear the shad expierement isn't going to well but that is from people that told people.  Sounds like water temps sort of beat up on the shad.

So IDK, a lot of things against what people are use to seeing.  Will fish get caught?  Yup and they should!  As someone said, you will have hungry fish in the system which makes them easier to catch.  Also, water conditions will be more favorable.  But I am doubting it is going to be like it was for the last many, many years.

 
To be determined I guess.


 

 

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taylorman_55 Said:
only 18-19 inchers. Sorry.  

bowhunter_24 Said:
so will  I be able to hammer 20" eyes all day in my boat this spring on the river or not? Thats the only question I have. ha

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bowhunter_24 Said:
so will  I be able to hammer 20" eyes all day in my boat this spring on the river or not? Thats the only question I have. ha

No, but you will be able to watch those around you catch them.

Hope that helps...

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I have a feeling that this year won't be as fast and furious for every angler out on the water, like it has been the last couple years. Not every idiot and there brother are going to be able to pull a limit of 20" out during a morning of fishing. With this being said, yes there will still be fish in our river system, you're just going to have to know where to fish. There's not going to be fish on every rocky point this spring, which I think will be for the good, because with everyone not catching fish there will be less people out on the water!!

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Judging by the millions of dead ciscos floating in the river during the flood of 2011, there must have been a population of cisco that was unheard of. in Sak.  They are probably still there, but like others have said, they grow too fast.  How many months of their life would they be suitable forage for walleyes?  Once they are grown, only the Northerns and Salmon  (big salmon) could eat them. 

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We need a slot limit

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We need a slot limit

TROLL!...Get back under your bridge.

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TROLL!...Get back under your bridge.

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Funny shiite Juanner.  

I don't want to see the 30in/4lb fish again.  Believed the flood would cure this for a while.  Legalize dumping live fatheads?...  Fingerling rainbow trout like out in CA?...Gobies?... Freshwater sculpin along the face of the dam?...coelacanth? 

Round goby: Native as the smelt?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_goby

 

 

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well i will do my part to help the bait with a limit of 8 this year and 24 in possesion i can have 72 fish in the freezer

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Look at the bright side, there will be half the number of boats on the river this year then there has been in years passed. The majority of the boats that have been out there these last few years will not be there if they actually have to "look" for fish. Last year it was as easy as driving down to Ft. Rice and Hazelton and getting in the 100 boat congo line and catching your limit in an hour. It was way to easy. Once these people have to actually go out and find their own fish its gonna be a different story.  I'd be willing to bet there will even be less than half the amount of boats out there.

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Look at the bright side, there will be half the number of boats on the river this year then there has been in years passed. The majority of the boats that have been out there these last few years will not be there if they actually have to "look" for fish. Last year it was as easy as driving down to Ft. Rice and Hazelton and getting in the 100 boat congo line and catching your limit in an hour. It was way to easy. Once these people have to actually go out and find their own fish its gonna be a different story.  I'd be willing to bet there will even be less than half the amount of boats out there.

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 Less than half the boats and less than half the fish means the same issue. People will still be hitting holes and grouping in on each other. Not like a river system has fish everywhere in it.  It is very spot specific. 


 

 

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 Doesn't Audobon have a cisco population? I dont mind big fish having big ciscos to eat on. That means less walleyes getting eaten by big northerns.

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After the ice fishing i have had this year i am going to predict it will be lights out this year.  From pollock to south of akaska have been off the charts.  Big fat fish and alot of them.  So i am guessing they have eaten all the bait this winter and will be really hungry and easy to catch on oahe.  Wonder if my livewell will fit 72 walleyes as i have fished 9 in the toon quite abit

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I've been to several meetings with the SDGFP regarding Oahe.  Their take on things is that fish quality should remain decent this spring but then gradually taper off.  I saw plenty of nice fish this winter but who knows what will happen when the water warms and the metabolism of the fish increases.  There are also a HUGE amounst of those 14" fish in the system, if you fished Oahe at all last summer or this winter your hands are probably still cut up from catching them.  Now, what will happen with that huge year class who knows.  But, they say that with the last flush there was around 80% natural mortality on fish 20" plus.  That's a crazy huge loss.  Their smelt estimates (don't quote me) are around 2 million from a high of 20+ million.  But, that is still better than the 97 flush when the estimates were in the 600,000 range. 

As far as the shad and people saying it didn't work that isn't really true.  Their surveys showed shad reproduction in almost all of the areas they stocked them.  I think (don't quote me) the only one that had little to no recruitment was the Beaver Bay location, everywhere south of that showed reproduction.  But, how the winter treated the shad is questionable.  I don't think this winter is much different than many of the drought year winters of the early 2000's where we saw some pretty huge shad production. 

I can't speak for the river areas of ND but I think the spring bite on the northern reaches of Oahe in SD will be good.  Fish quality could start to dwindle but I don't know that we'll see a big difference till July/August.  We need a really good smelt spawn and need the shad in the system to over winter well and reproduce.  If we could get that we'd be on our way to good again.  But if we don't get any of the above and continue to lose water things may get really, really tough.  I remember the 14 fish limit days all too well.....


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 Yeah I don't know. If it happened in 1997 why wouldn't it happen in 2011?  Did 1998 have gigantic classes of pike and walleye like 2012 showed?  Reason I ask is was there as many fish to feed now as there was then. 

And Kurt unheard folks always saying there was no problems in sakakawea because fishing was 'so good' and then one day people came to the realization fishing was good because they were starving.  Then when 29 inch fish weighed 4 to 6 pounds the last of realization set in. 

Tis a reason they tried the shad again. In my opinion anyway. Water conditions are improving so it might just be fine anyway. To me this year was going to be either the make or break. 


 

 

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 Husked at snowpack quick. Maybe conditions aren't that great. 


 

 

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fear_no_fish Said:
 Doesn't Audobon have a cisco population? I dont mind big fish having big ciscos to eat on. That means less walleyes getting eaten by big northerns.

I know it used too have ciscos.  some years ago during a real hot summer remember Audubon's water temp got too warm for them and they all died at pretty much the same time.  If I remember correctly pelicans were getting sick and even dieing from eating too many, or ciscos that were too old & rotten. 

I would assume its still has some ciscos in it just from the regular water exchanges back and forth to regulate the levels of audubon.

I wouldn't count on cisco luring pike away from walleyes.  I cleaned alot of huge pike last summer and fall while there were enough ciscos in sight to walk across a river on, and I never found one cisco in the bellies of these pike.  It was about 90% walleye & sauger and 10% goldeye.  I just think (at least at the time of year I was catching pike) that the pike and cisco occupy different areas of a lake or river or different sections of the water column.

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