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You guys ever heard of a cincinnati bowtie?  Its pretty gross.

Is that like a dirty sanchez?

its like that only different

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You guys ever heard of a cincinnati bowtie?  Its pretty gross.

Is that like a dirty sanchez?

Im thinking more like a Hot Carl

 

 "I get what you're saying:  Like a sausage replica featuring a Polander holding a sacred illumination device." 

 

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You guys ever heard of a cincinnati bowtie?  Its pretty gross.

Is that like a dirty sanchez?

its like that only different

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i googled it... and got at least 3 different explanations on just he first page. 

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Epic

 

 "I get what you're saying:  Like a sausage replica featuring a Polander holding a sacred illumination device." 

 

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Alpine- Woohoo!  *LOL*  You make my day ALPY!   I see you're still hanging tough on your "leftist" diction but I  must say  coming up with "Druid booger eater is getting a little more flamboyant and creative.  I am seeing even radical,  right wingers do take cues from those they engage with. (remember I asked you previously to be a little more creative in your name calling??).  In reference to your statement  and ongoing conversation with multi I  thought you would attempt to offer a current and respected personality as an example, not a cig smoking = cancer naysayer. 

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damn if a cincinnati bowtie cant side track this thread nothing will

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I'm gonna go home and take a cleveland steamer. That should help. 

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To fully understand the cincinnati bowtie you must first think of making snow angels...

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To fully understand the cincinnati bowtie you must first think of making snow angels...

after a google search i now understand it , im sure something useful was pushed out of brain to make room for this tidbit you dropped on us (no pun intended)
 

 

 "I get what you're saying:  Like a sausage replica featuring a Polander holding a sacred illumination device." 

 

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Just cherry picking a few more quotes

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

Albert Einstein

how many do you need?

During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world.

Albert Einstein
 

and one of my favorites...EINSTEIN FOR PRESIDENT!!! (he was asked to be the second president of Israel)

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

That was from an article titled "religion and science" that was printed in the New York times in 1930.

to help your argument Einstein did not want to be "labeled" an Atheist, I too share the same displeasure for the word since so many treat it like another religion one converted to for faith and belief (or disbelief) reasons.  so in a sense, you're right, einstein (if asked) was not an atheist, but he held no reservations in his mind for eternal life, religion, and gods.

Now speaking of cherry picking for ones own argument, may I ask that you post the rest of the letter you quoted this from (below)?  not just the very small sentence that seems to help your argument.

Alpine said:

A belief in science without God is lame, a belief in God without science is blind

Of course we have concluded to "well I'm gonna get eternal life and you're going to burn in hell when you die"  well, if you're right, I can't wait to meet the awesomeness that resides in hell for not believing.

Ask yourselves a question, what religion would you be if you were born and raised in India? in Africa? or Salt Lake City.  Its more a matter of geography than faith.

The fact of the matter is our current knowledge of planet earth and the universe supplied by the evidence discovered so far, does not support any religion enough to even loosely call one of the thousands of available ones a "theory".  do I say it's a fact that such things do not exist, no.  I say there is not nearly enough evidence supporting religion, by todays standards that support such "theories" as evolution, continental drift, and relativety to "believe" in such things.

In the end, if that judgement day you speak of does come, I do hope you made the right choice.

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Ok some one tell me about Lycanthrope and the bees?  seriously thats like the 5th reference to it on a thread I've seen.

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I'm gonna go home and take a cleveland steamer. That should help. 

I really hope you're not reffering to the urbandictionary.com version of the cleveland steamer.

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Somedays I wish I didn't have a curiosity.  Is there something a guy can use like soap for the mind?  I need to wash my brain for 48 hours after looking that up.  It's going to be a struggle to keep dinner down. 

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Bringin, multi, why is it so important to you that your beleif/theories, whatever you wish to call them, overide others faith?

hey, you guys do it on doorsteps, I do in on web forums.  I'd go shake faith at the Amish thread, but they don't get the internet so it's pointless.

Multi, you missed the crux of the question. I'm not interested in "how" you try and negate others faith, more in why it is so important to you to do so.

Multi, you never did answer this question.

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Somedays I wish I didn't have a curiosity.  Is there something a guy can use like soap for the mind?  I need to wash my brain for 48 hours after looking that up.  It's going to be a struggle to keep dinner down. 

LOL, yeah, we are in 100% total agreement there.

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Multi, you never did answer this question.

from page 5 of this thread, you probly just overlooked it.  It's easy to do when you're used to just skimming over information you're not interested in reading.  I catch myself doing it sometimes as well.

Multi, you missed the crux of the question. I'm not interested in "how" you try and negate others faith, more in why it is so important to you to do so.
 

for the same reasons you debate, argue, and discuss politics on FBO.  And of course to gain "followers" just as you believe the world would be a better place if every human was christian, I believe it would be a better place without any religion.  And arguing & debating it here with you guys is fun, so try to participate instead of getting all butt hurt.

 

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If you're going to search the internet for science or scientists that is a devout member of a particular religion, or supports & believes in gods you should look in places other than websites with religious based propaganda and agendas.

I'll start with the primary one we have all heard of.  Einstein, also one of the most well known anti-theists of his time.  this is in his exact words written in a letter he wrote shortly before he died.

... I read a great deal in the last days of your book, and thank you very much for sending it to me. What especially struck me about it was this. With regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a great deal in common.

... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.

In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.

Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates us are only intellectual 'props' and 'rationalization' in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.

With friendly thanks and best wishes,
Yours, A. Einstein

 

Albert Einstein died as an anti-theist, known today as an atheist.  Again a word religious people like to use to categorize non believers.  What do we call people that don't play golf?

Productive.  BaHAhaahaha

now of course at some point in his life, and all of the other great minds you have so confidently listed as devout believers, can all be tied to some form of religion, heck, I was even babtised catholic, probably even says it on my birth certificate somewhere.

Many of the other minds you listed often used the word "god" or referred to a "god" when they became stumped upon things they could not explain, but things that would be explained in the future nonetheless.

Now go back through your list and narrow it down to a select few more credible examples that may just hold a little more water than Einstein.  But remember, some of those brilliant people you listed lived in fear of being executed  for exposing their true beliefs and discoveries of that time period.  so lets try to stick with 20th century, where new discoveries are peer reviewed and critically analyzed instead of dispelled with a flaming man on a stake or a cross.

remember we're looking for devout here, not the maybe theres a higher power around the corner in the shadows of the unknown.

                                                                                                                         

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Again...Lycanthrope, bees, and something about using bath salt for pickling?  someone share the funny story, I'm in suspense.

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Multi, you never did answer this question.

from page 5 of this thread, you probly just overlooked it.  It's easy to do when you're used to just skimming over information you're not interested in reading.  I catch myself doing it sometimes as well.

Multi, you missed the crux of the question. I'm not interested in "how" you try and negate others faith, more in why it is so important to you to do so.
 

for the same reasons you debate, argue, and discuss politics on FBO.  And of course to gain "followers" just as you believe the world would be a better place if every human was christian, I believe it would be a better place without any religion.  And arguing & debating it here with you guys is fun, so try to participate instead of getting all butt hurt.

 

I must admit I did overlook that little tidbit.

I guess even though I have issues with some portions of religion, my faith allows me to understand that with everything comes those things that are not always easily acceptable even when it comes to religion itself. .

It is actually what makes my faith stronger even though as I have said my "faith" might not be based on what some religions would aprove of..

So I as well as many people I would beleive would ask where would they be WITHOUT religion?

I can honestly say I would not have the faith I currently do, nor would I then have the ability to take the positives I do from that faith that affect my life.

So I respect your desire not to beleive in what is not scientifically theorized, but would then wish the same respect returned on my faith based on beleifs.

Thanks for answering by the way.  I do not beleive every person should be a Christian, that choice is everyones to make,nor do I look to gain "followers" when it comes to my faith, just curious as to what makes people tick.

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Multi, you never did answer this question.

from page 5 of this thread, you probly just overlooked it.  It's easy to do when you're used to just skimming over information you're not interested in reading.  I catch myself doing it sometimes as well.

Multi, you missed the crux of the question. I'm not interested in "how" you try and negate others faith, more in why it is so important to you to do so.
 

for the same reasons you debate, argue, and discuss politics on FBO.  And of course to gain "followers" just as you believe the world would be a better place if every human was christian, I believe it would be a better place without any religion.  And arguing & debating it here with you guys is fun, so try to participate instead of getting all butt hurt.

 

I must admit I did overlook that little tidbit.

I guess even though I have issues with some portions of religion, my faith allows me to understand that with everything comes those things that are not always easily acceptable even when it comes to religion itself. .

It is actually what makes my faith stronger even though as I have said my "faith" might not be based on what some religions would aprove of..

So I as well as many people I would beleive would ask where would they be WITHOUT religion?

I can honestly say I would not have the faith I currently do, nor would I then have the ability to take the positives I do from that faith that affect my life.

So I respect your desire not to beleive in what is not scientifically theorized, but would then wish the same respect returned on my faith based on beleifs.

Thanks for answering by the way.  I do not beleive every person should be a Christian, that choice is everyones to make,nor do I look to gain "followers" when it comes to my faith, just curious as to what makes people tick.

Well put, and you know what I mean.  I was using the word "you" as reference to the opposing side of my arguement.

as far as gaining "followers" (notice the quotes)  I just hope out of the 3,000+ views this thread got at least one person's curiousity sparked to look further, & learn more, and not to assume all is known and will be sorted out in the end.

I did not, however, reach my ultimate religious debate goal...to be called a big doodie head that's going to burn in hell....well I guess guy said I'm going to burn in hell for my lack of belief and worship, but it's hard to take that seriously without being called a doodie head first.

NOW FOR THE LAST STINKIN TIME....SOME ONE EXPLAIN LYCANTHROPE AND THE BEES, AND THE SALT!!!

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 lycanthrope is a thrifty fellow he had one thread about using softner salt for pckling 'cuz it was cheaper than pickling salt, then  few days later h started a thread debating the merits of a back yard beehive within the city limits of Bismarck and from  there the rest history

 

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 lycanthrope is a thrifty fellow he had one thread about using softner salt for pckling 'cuz it was cheaper than pickling salt, then  few days later h started a thread debating the merits of a back yard beehive within the city limits of Bismarck and from  there the rest history

Jesus, this site really is relentless at letting someone live anything down.  Now I goot look up those threads.

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" I say there is not nearly enough evidence supporting religion, "

Evidence, you say?  You want a God who will stand over us 100 feet tall and sream in a demand that we worship him, I see.  Then you would have your, evidence.  You confuse evidence and faith, as any fool would.  Either way, faith or not, it's all a choice.

"In the end, if that judgement day you speak of does come, I do hope you made the right choice."

According to you that day does not exist, right?  In the least Pascal's wager is at work here for those with little faith.   To shorten it in paraphrase "If you choose to believe God does not exist, and he doesn't, you win.  And you win nothing.   If you choose to believe God does exist, and He does, you win everything."

For practically all time about 1/3 of all scientists believed in God.  In the 2005 survey it was 2/3.   That would be thousands of men and women of science who believe in God today.  They are all pretty good at geography (meaningless apporach) too.  Does that affect my faith, that so many in science also believe.  Not in the least.  Faith is a personal experience (not that it can't be shared in fellowship), it does not matter to me if I am in the vast majority or the vast minority.

 

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Somedays I wish I didn't have a curiosity.  Is there something a guy can use like soap for the mind?  I need to wash my brain for 48 hours after looking that up.  It's going to be a struggle to keep dinner down. 

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 lycanthrope is a thrifty fellow he had one thread about using softner salt for pckling 'cuz it was cheaper than pickling salt, then  few days later h started a thread debating the merits of a back yard beehive within the city limits of Bismarck and from  there the rest history

Jesus, this site really is relentless at letting someone live anything down.  Now I goot look up those threads.

I just KNEW you would start praying - with our encouragement! Good on you multi. Keep it up!

 

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" I say there is not nearly enough evidence supporting religion, "

Evidence, you say?  You want a God who will stand over us 100 feet tall and sream in a demand that we worship him, I see.  Then you would have your, evidence.  You confuse evidence and faith, as any fool would.  Either way, faith or not, it's all a choice.
 

No, evidence and faith are about as different as a fossil in my hand, and an imaginary friend in a closet, its impossible for me to confuse the two.  So you're saying faith is whats required, not evidence. Faith = trust or belief without proof.

"In the end, if that judgement day you speak of does come, I do hope you made the right choice."

According to you that day does not exist, right?  In the least Pascal's wager is at work here for those with little faith.   To shorten it in paraphrase "If you choose to believe God does not exist, and he doesn't, you win.  And you win nothing.   If you choose to believe God does exist, and He does, you win everything."

 

I was referring to which "god" you have chosen to worship.  there are thousands of religions and variations of each.  whats gonna happen if it turns out that this whole time you should have been worshipping the Prophet Mohamed, and you're god doesn't exist.  Isn't it true that in most religious texts it explicitly states that followers can't worship other gods, or false gods? and the consequences for doing so seem quite horrible.

What if your "god" is the false god, how are you so sure?

For practically all time about 1/3 of all scientists believed in God.  In the 2005 survey it was 2/3.   That would be thousands of men and women of science who believe in God today.  They are all pretty good at geography (meaningless apporach) too.  Does that affect my faith, that so many in science also believe.  Not in the least.  Faith is a personal experience (not that it can't be shared in fellowship), it does not matter to me if I am in the vast majority or the vast minority.

The data you post on that survey is a little vague.  re-research it and you'll find more ineresting facts about it. for one quick example, like the differences in faith between political scientists, social scientists, astrophysical scientists and biological scientists.  Also interesting that almost none of them claim to believe in a particular religion and most do not believe in the bible itself or most other popular organized religions.  so yes, many "scientists" hold some form of faith, but it would be a stretch to call hardly any of them true christians, catholics, muslims, or budhists.

By the way did you read the rest of that letter you pulled that Einstein quote from?

A couple weeks ago two kids with shirts and ties stopped by to tell me about this man named Joseph Smith (convicted fraud) who translated some invisible golden plates into english by burrying his face in a hat with magic rocks giving us the book of mormon.  they went on and on about how I should follow their ways etc etc....

tell me why they're wrong and you're right?  I mean if I were to collapse under the peer pressure of the majority and have to choose a religion.  which would you recommend?

What if an isolated group of people exists on an island or in a remote part of planet earth and they have absolutely zero notions of gods, ghosts, or religions, they wouldn't call themselves atheists, but that's what they would be by definition.  Do they go to hell when they die?

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How bout some non-offensive illustrated Jesus jokes

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