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State Owned Casinos?
How does everybody feel about this? I feel like people will be screaming racism before this gets off the ground, and/or the tribes will arrange another mass protest.
 
 
North Dakota legislators have introduced a proposal that would change the state constitution to allow for up to six state-owned casinos.
House Concurrent Resolution No. 3033 would allow exceptions to the prohibition on games of chance and authorize up to six state-owned casinos “which are to be established as destination-oriented attractions.”
The resolution is sponsored by House Majority Leader Al Carlson, Rep. Todd Porter and Rep. Roscoe Streyle. Sen. Lonnie Laffen is the Senate sponsor.
The matter would go before voters at the 2018 primary election.
Casinos authorized under the bill must be established as destination-oriented attractions and “selected for the scenic, historic, recreational and tourism advantages of the site and the site’s potential to contribute to the rural economic development of the state.”
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Not overly excited to have more casinos in the state, but why not? It will make things really interesting as well! Put one in the FM area, Bismarck, out west in a couple locations and compete with the tribe owned casinos. Who knows maybe there may be a casino or two that the tribes would part with ready made!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I can't say that I disagree with the idea, I think it could have the potential to bring a fair bit of additional money into the state.

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I say go for it! May as well keep the money in the hands of the state then to be shipped off out of where it can do some good.

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Fully agree keep the money in the State.

Shouldn't be just the Indians with casino's they had their haydays long enough especially after the fiasco they caused south of Mandan!

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It would be nice if they earmarked the proceeds to go to property tax buydowns or other similar to benefit residents. Interesting they want to cut existing state jobs while creating more with this bill though. Unless they plan on contracting out running them which will take a good portion of the profits.

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I say build them!! 

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Put a casino south of Bismarck near the Cannonball.

 

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Build them, they'd create alot of good jobs with state benefits, alot of the taxes could go to infrastructure

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Might as build them, why should the state be losing that money to the rez? People are going to gamble the rest of the state might as well get some of the benefits from it.

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As a responsible tax paying ndakotan wondering where the state will come up with some 31 million bucks forthe final tab for the. Dakota pipeline fiasco, 9dont think this nonsense is over yet or the bills are all in yet. I'd suggest one IN THE BIS ÁREA, ONE Iin FARGO AND ANOTHER IN THE grand FORKS AREA.    

Earmark the profits first for payback for the lost revenue the state tazpayers have to come up Edith.  Once payed back, put the rest into educational all programs, with programs to help all students of all races, and research programs to tyy prevent such nonsensicaL WASTE AND LOSS OF CREDIBILITY again from happening. As sportsmen/women, remember we have Huge priblems coming up shortly with talks persisting af returning huge cgubks of land to the tribes along the river, and lots of WHITE NATIVES' WANTING THEIR FOREFATHERS LAND BACK...LAND ALREADY BOUGHT AND PAID FOR!

Not trying to sound racict here. Before this DAPL Crap my friends all called me the most non racict guy /neutral they knew!   Whites and natives getting along might very well end up being the guys with thr most money wins, used to be most guns 200 years ago, but hopefully were past that and this can be solved in the courts.  And the best attorneys seem to work for money.

Though i dont gamble, others do so lets get their money o our side and cut the natives main source of income way doen1. Use that money for the good of all, as far as porrible.  Maybe some good might come out of the after all.

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sions, narcotizad with pain killers, et.  Sorry t0 have the above post so tough to decipher. Lying flat on my back having just had a bunch more vertebral fuzed., screwed, bolted, decompressed. Anyway, most can figure out where i stand on the issue1or at least where i lay on it. Anyway.   

Meanwhile all i can do is recover for the walleye/turkey season. Missed the javelina season in az.

 

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bobkat wrote:

sions, narcotizad with pain killers, et.  Sorry t0 have the above post so tough to decipher. Lying flat on my back having just had a bunch more vertebral fuzed., screwed, bolted, decompressed. Anyway, most can figure out where i stand on the issue1or at least where i lay on it. Anyway.   

Meanwhile all i can do is recover for the walleye/turkey season. Missed the javelina season in az.

 

I hope your recovery goes smooth and quick bobkat.

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BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) — Some North Dakota lawmakers say a proposal by the state’s top House Republican to allow state-owned casinos is retaliatory.

The say the proposal by Fargo Rep. Al Carlson risks angering American Indian tribes even more when relations have already been rubbed raw by the Dakota Access pipeline dispute.

Carlson says his idea is not “anti-American Indian.” He says it would establish casinos as “destination-oriented attractions” and use profits from them to offset state taxes.

Many lawmakers believe the measure has little chance of passing, but they fear it’s further damaged the state’s relationship with its tribes.

Carlson’s resolution is a proposed constitutional amendment that would go to voters if lawmakers give the OK. It does not need the governor’s approval, but GOP Gov. Doug Burgum says he opposes the idea.

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I'll vote for this to pass, as will many of the people I know. To me it's not retaliatory, it's common sense.

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Sure, get rid of the State Income Tax under a certain income (like $100k) and go for it!!! Make sure they have good poker rooms and everything else needed to have a good Casino. The problem with State owned stuff (like the state owned socialist flour mill) and State owned socialist bank is that they take the procedes and spend it on God knows what, and it aint the people. 

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Last week House Majority Leader Al Carlson dropped a bit of a bombshell on state politics. He announced a proposed constitutional amendment which would allow the state government to operate up to a half dozen casinos.
The state already has five casinos operated by tribal governments in Indian country, in addition to a limited amount of charitable gaming, and state-operated casinos would dilute that market in a big way. So not surprisingly there was a strong response from the tribal communities.
“It’s racist,” Senator Richard Marcellais (D-Belcourt), a former chairman of the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewa who worked in that tribe’s casino at one point in his career, told the Associated Press. “I feel like going over there and knocking him through the window.”
On Friday I interviewed Chairman Mark Fox of the Three Affiliated Tribes on the Fort Berthold Reservation (they operate the Four Bears Casino which provides 300-400 jobs to that community) and he, too, saw Carlson’s proposal as an attack on tribal interests.
“We’ve got to get past it,” he said of the tension between tribal and non-tribal communities, adding that “many of the protesters” at the protest camps “were not tribal.”
I asked Fox specifically if he agreed with Marcellais’ comments. “I’ll never try to explain exactly what he’s thinking in his head,” Fox told me, adding that he does “understand how certain people might react.”
“I won’t say I was immediately shocked,” he said of learning about the proposal, adding that his tribe “started out the session knowing something like this would be introduced.”
Asked if he felt the resolution was retaliation against the tribes for the months of violence and civil unrest caused by the tribal-led protests against the Dakota Access Pipeline, Fox acknowledged that there’s “a lot of racial tension that exists now in the state.”
“Whether or not this is related to that, I cannot precisely say that,” he continued.
Fox did say he wants to “commend the governor” for his outreach to tribal communities early in his first term. The Legislature canceled a traditional address to lawmakers by tribal leaders earlier this session, but Governor Doug Burgum met individually with tribal leaders and Fox said the meetings have gone well.
“We’ve got to get past it,” he said of the tension between tribal and non-tribal communities, adding that “many of the protesters” at the protest camps “were not tribal.”
He said that prior to the protests North Dakota and the tribal communities had years of good relations, and he’d like to see a return to that.
 
 

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I am not a fan of the STATE owning casinos. To much big government already. But I am in favor of changing the law so that private enterprise can invest in North Dakota. Let private business own and run them. They could determine where to put each, based on possible financial return. Casinos would still bring jobs whether owned by state or private business. Some of the profits could be earmarked for roads, education, and schools.

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I like this idea much better.
 
BISMARCK, N.D. (AP) - North Dakota's Republican House majority leader has changed his proposal to allow up to six state-owned casinos, if voters approve.
Rep. Al Carlson is introducing an amendment Wednesday that would allow for up to six privately-owned, state-regulated casinos.
Opponents say a change to the state Constitution to allow more casinos would hurt American Indian gambling facilities and relationships with tribes.
Carlson's original proposal would forbid state casinos from being built within 20 miles of a reservation. The amendment would double that distance.
The new proposal would allow the casinos anywhere in the state. Previously, the casinos also would not be allowed within five miles of a city of more than 5,000 people.
If approved by the Legislature, voters could decide the issue in the June 2018 primary.

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So now we went from one not being allowed south of town to if they built one in Bismarck it would need to be 10 miles north of town. 

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I am reading it that a casino can be built anywhere in the State.  Wouldn't have to be 5 miles out of town.  Or are you talking about the reservation line a casino would have to be 40 miles from such line Dean?

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Yep you have to be 10 miles north of town to be fourty miles from standing rock. Before there is no place on 1804 or 1806 that is more then five miles from town and 20 miles from the rock.

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The whole mileage thing is dumb. Like I previously said. Change the state law. Let private business owners build and run them.If that is 1 mile from a reservation or city and the private land onwer sells his land for a casino, so be it. The investers in the casino will know where they want the casino or they won't invest the money.

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