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spearing big pike

by , Posted to on 03/13/2005 12:41 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/29/2001
Location: MN
To those adding pics to the site, I really enjoy looking. Although it may be legal and look good to you, seeing multiple big pike in a picture does not promote conservation. It does however, make the greed factor stand out even among the users of this site. With the amount of conservative minded individuals on this site, including me, I would ask that all would be selective on the pics they submit. Trophys are one thing, greed is another. Thanks for the consideration, fisherking01
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by on 03/13/2005 4:20 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/17/2001
Location: ND
That is why the G&F Dept. put a limit of three pike per fishermen per day. Nothing wrong with what they did, and I loved the pictures. Censoring pictures of properly caught and rightfully displayed fish or raccoons? Why? So the rest of us will not feel inadequate as pike fishermen and trappers? Do you feel that the ND Game and Fish Department does not know how to manage ND fisheries? Do you have no faith in the fish stocking program?

Conservation...you sound alot like a guy who lives along the river in Pierre, SD.

The more ducks in the air, the more shotgun shells and accessories are sold. The more pike, perch and walleye in the lake, the more boats and fishing tackle are sold. C&R serves the Fishing Industry first and foremost. The NDG&F Department serves the public first and foremost.

C&R conservationists need to invent a catch and release hunting method for ducks and geese. Conservationists should say that waterfowl hunters need to put a band on them, and release them. Then when they are caught again, they can get an email from the next hunter. Sounds rediculous doesn't it? I why just stop at fish? How about using a tranquilizer dart, and cutting the antlers off of deer with a bone saw? Then they can grow a larger set the next year? Wouldn't that be great? I would hate it.

I am being a little sarcastic, but I get despondent when people poo poo a photo with a legal limit of fish or game in it. Like I said, the game and fish is a responsible and dependable organization. They do their job pretty well in my opinion. Either you are for the limits, or you are against the limits. Which is it?

Greed is illegal when it comes to the harvesting of game and fish in the state of North Dakota. Getting your limit is not greed. Stizo :)

Note: I put no exclamation marks in my post. I am not angry, irritated, or malevolent. Just somber. I do not want to get into a mudslinging contest, just a debate. Thanks for keeping it clean.


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by on 03/13/2005 9:09 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2002
Location: ND
Good subject to debate folks.

I've always had a problem with the argument that "as long as it is legal, it must be ethical". Years ago when people were legally taking hundreds of jumbo perch out of Devils Lake was it ethical? If someone legally keeps 5, 8lb walleyes is it ethical? In my opinion it is not. We need to use our own judgment and not blindly follow what the Game and Fish has deemed lawful. One of the main determining factors of G&F regulations is to keep the regs simple so that it is "easy" for people to be lawful. Ideally, for management purposes, there should probably be a different set of regs for each lake depending on fish species, size and lake conditions but that would be too confusing for most people and a huge enforcement nightmare. So they determine regs based on what works best for the majority of lakes and only impose special regs when absolutely necessary. I would bet that most of the time when a 3 pike limit is kept they are less than 10 pounds and probably even less than 7 pounds. Does that mean that keeping 3, 20 pounders is ethical just because it is legal? Again, I don't think so, and I doubt the G&F would condone it. I
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by on 03/13/2005 9:20 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2002
Location: ND
PS - I realize that spearing and releasing is not possible either. My comments pertain mostly to catching with a hook and line and I believe for spearing you can still be selective about which ones you decide to impale.
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by on 03/13/2005 10:42 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/14/2003
Location: ND
I completely agree with sluggo. Just because its legal doesn't make it right. I do think that some slots and other regulations should be put in for different bodies of water. I also think we need some regulations to protect large fish in the spring! Hey stizo maybe if they end up putting different regulations on lakes you could copy all the info off of the gnf site and paste it on here.

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by on 03/13/2005 11:10 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/09/2004
Location: ND
I agree with Stizo on this. First, I have not noticed a depleting number of northerns and I dont see this happening anytime soon. And second, I dont know any sportsman who would take 4 eight pound walleyes and if they had that opportunity I would love for them to tell me where they were fishing. They're proud of their catch and I'm proud of them.
J
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by on 03/13/2005 11:13 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/09/2004
Location: ND
sorry bout that last sentence.. I meant to say " they're proud of their catch and i'm happy for them." I dont personally know them.
J
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by on 03/13/2005 11:53 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/14/2003
Location: ND
iluvswnd,
I you don't get out to some of the prime spots in the spring then. There was a dam north of valley a few years ago where people were takin atleast one limit of huge walleyes a day. Devils lake is another place you can see it happen in the spring.

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by on 03/14/2005 00:00 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/14/2003
Location: ND
iluvswnd,
Some lakes can handle the spearing others can't. Talk to people that ice fish on spiritwood lake pike numbers are way down! The first year they had spearing I would go there and fish perch I would see 3 or 4 pike come through an hour. Now people are luck to see one a day spearing according to the people I've talked to that spear there.

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by on 03/14/2005 07:11 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/17/2003
Location: ND
I'm with Sitzo all the way on this one! NDGF IMO, has it under control.

If there was a problem taking big pike, G+F would have a size/slot limit in effect.

If it's conservation and bloody pics your worried about, I think there are bigger fish to fry than some speared pike!

To those who speared the pike on the photos in question...CONGRATULATIONS! Don't feel like you did something wrong, you didn't!

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by on 03/14/2005 07:47 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
As long as the number of fish taken did not exceed the limit and the fish were not wasted I don't have a problem with it. I used to spearfish with SCUBA gear and rarely we would get a day when we got a limit-usually got none, or maybe one or two for a whole day's effort! I supposed had FB.com been around there we would have posted a picture and got flack like the spearers in this picture. Let the G&F decide if there is a problem. Except for the fact there is no catch and release with spearing, to me it is just another picture of dead fish, taken by legal means.
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by on 03/14/2005 2:48 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2002
Location: ND
Aside from whether it is ethical or not, I'm curious about something. By looking at the picture in the photo gallery that started this whole debate, and using the average weight specified in the picture, these 8 pike weighed somwhere in the neighborhood of 120 lbs uncleaned. I would guess that they yielded at least 50lbs of meat. What does a person do with 50 lbs of fish? And this was just 1 trip, apparently their were many more that were slaughtered. How does a person consume that much fish? Or is it given away to friends and relatives?
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by on 03/14/2005 4:12 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Dunno but I love eating northerns taken through the ice. Hope they didn't waste them. That would p me off!
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by on 02/20/2006 10:11 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/27/2006
Location: ND
I agree with fisherking and sluggo on this one.I think is ok to keep one for the wall in the case of walleye and pike.It would be nice to see all musky released no matter what(thats just my opinion,nobody get all excited).But I must admit it makes me want to puke when I see someone keeping a stringer of 20lb pike or has one on the end of a spear.Even though it is legal I think is still unethical.I don't feel there is any fisherman out there that is on the brink of starving to death that they need to keep a stringer of 20lbers for the table.Why not keep some 5lbers for the table.I think the G&F needs put slot limits on these fish.Why not take a picture and release it.The only reason anyone would feel the need to keep that many huge fish is to try to prove to every one how much of a great white fisherman they are.Boondocks
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by on 02/20/2006 10:22 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/05/2005
Location: ND
Where are these pics anyway? The newest ones I've seen in the photo gallery for the last week are still those elk pictures.
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by on 02/20/2006 10:31 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/05/2005
Location: ND
Nevermind, I just realized this forum started a year ago.
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by on 02/26/2006 03:50 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/15/2005
Location: MN
5- 8lbs eyes. i hope your fising in the DL chamber of comm. tourny if u r bring in a days weight like that!!!
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by on 02/26/2006 03:50 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/15/2005
Location: MN
5- 8lbs eyes. i hope your fising in the DL chamber of comm. tourny if u r bring in a days weight like that!!!
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by on 02/26/2006 2:48 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2002
Location: ND
5 8 pound eyes? Seen it happen a few times on the Sheyenne river. What-ever the size of the fish that got caught, it went on the stringer, and there are years where there are lots of big ones caught.

I did catch and release 4 eyes in about a dozen casts that were all pushing about 8 pounds or so on DL the day before the tourney. Released the hogs and got out of there to save the spot for the tourney the next day. Never caught a fish in that spot over 15 inches during the 2 days of the tourney. That kind of sucked, but it sure did make for some anticipation on the boat ride over there.
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