Snakes in yard

I have been seeing a lot of garter snakes in my yard as of late. They always go down into hole (old gopher holes I think). Any one know of a deterrent to get them out of the yard. By the way I have not seen a gopher yet this year so I am guessing that they have all been eaten.

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Get rid of the holes and any debris in the yard for snakes to hide in or under.  keep your grass short, and eliminate any brush or wood piles.  As far as snakes vs gophers, the snakes would be the lesser of the two evils as far as damage to property goes.  And they keep the mouse population down, don't think garter snakes are big enough to take on gophers or p-dogs though.

there's also this stuff, which I havn't heard from any reliable sources that it actually works, but if it helps you sleep at night.

tongs.com/snake-a-way.aspx

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gas with a match, long handle ax, multiple shots with a shotgun or rilfe whichever u prefer, and tires such as vehicle tires and lawn mower tires, i would not recomend a bicycle because that is just to close

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In a very ventilated area outside mix bleach and ammonia, it gives of very toxic fumes so don't inhale it.  Pour mixture down hole.  No more snakes.  I have done this twice in my own yard as we have had two different garter snake dens and my wife is deathly afraid of snakes.  Ammonia and bleach combine to form hydrocloric acid.
The second time I did it I just poured the bleach in the hole first and then the ammonia to be a little safer.  Worked like a charm both times.

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What's wrong with having garters around?

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 My father used to have a Lab that loved to kill snakes.   He had a garter snake den in the yard and every spring the Lab would just sit there and wait for them to come out. 

I don't see what the big problem is with having them around though.

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We had an issue this spring with garters in our retaining wall  and tried the sticky mouse pads in the rat size (4X6).  Bought them at wallyworld for 2@ 2.89.  Placed them next to the wall or natural sunning spots and really cleaned house.  Snakes liked to be next to the wall and crawled on the pads.  The most I had on one pad was 4 at a time.  Used mechanic latex gloves to keep the sticky junk off of me and removed the snakes and reused the traps.  The count this spring is 29.  This works.  Good luck.

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My daughter loves garter snakes and picks up every one she sees.  She doesn't mind the smell she gets on her hands either.  I'm so proud of her!!  Her favorite fish is the bullhead too! 

I like having garters around.  I could care less where they go, as long as it's not in the house.

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cootkiller 1 Said:
In a very ventilated area outside mix bleach and ammonia, it gives of very toxic fumes so don't inhale it.  Pour mixture down hole.  No more snakes.  I have done this twice in my own yard as we have had two different garter snake dens and my wife is deathly afraid of snakes.  Ammonia and bleach combine to form hydrocloric acid.
The second time I did it I just poured the bleach in the hole first and then the ammonia to be a little safer.  Worked like a charm both times.

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Thats mustard gas. Don't do that.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Nothing wrong with having some garter snakes or bull snakes, etc. around. If they are there they are probably finding something to eat and I'd rather have the snakes around than whatever it is they are eating. I would say leave them alone.

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 REALLY, wow, I knew the fumes were toxic but didn't know it was that.  It forms hydro acid and chloramine vapor with hydrazine formation.  Chloromine vapor is REALLY bad for any mucas membrane. It really works on killing garter snakes though let me tell ya.  
That is why I said don't inhale the fumes.
 The first time I used bleach and lime away, but the active ingredient is ammonia so the second time I just went with straight ammonia and bleach.  

Hopefully the department of homeland security doesn't come down on me for trying to satisfy my wife's desire to be rid of some garter snakes.

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 REALLY, wow, I knew the fumes were toxic but didn't know it was that.  It forms hydro acid and chloramine vapor with hydrazine formation.  Chloromine vapor is REALLY bad for any mucas membrane. It really works on killing garter snakes though let me tell ya.  
That is why I said don't inhale the fumes.
 The first time I used bleach and lime away, but the active ingredient is ammonia so the second time I just went with straight ammonia and bleach.  

Hopefully the department of homeland security doesn't come down on me for trying to satisfy my wife's desire to be rid of some garter snakes.

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Sensing some sarcasm but oh well. Not veryone knows so I am advising other folks so some one doesnt do some something so idiotic and get themselves killed because someone on Fishingbuddy said so. Perhaps you should be more responsible.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Sorry, didn't realize, just saying it worked really well on killing garter snakes. 

 

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Not mustard gas... Still not recommended to breath.

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cootkiller 1 Said:
In a very ventilated area outside mix bleach and ammonia, it gives of very toxic fumes so don't inhale it.  Pour mixture down hole.  No more snakes.  I have done this twice in my own yard as we have had two different garter snake dens and my wife is deathly afraid of snakes.  Ammonia and bleach combine to form hydrocloric acid.
The second time I did it I just poured the bleach in the hole first and then the ammonia to be a little safer.  Worked like a charm both times.

cootkiller

Thats mustard gas. Don't do that.

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I agree, why are garters a bad thing?

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Nothing wrong with having some garter snakes or bull snakes, etc. around. If they are there they are probably finding something to eat and I'd rather have the snakes around than whatever it is they are eating. I would say leave them alone.
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Lycanthrope Said:
Not mustard gas... Still not recommended to breath.

Meelosh Said:

cootkiller 1 Said:
In a very ventilated area outside mix bleach and ammonia, it gives of very toxic fumes so don't inhale it.  Pour mixture down hole.  No more snakes.  I have done this twice in my own yard as we have had two different garter snake dens and my wife is deathly afraid of snakes.  Ammonia and bleach combine to form hydrocloric acid.
The second time I did it I just poured the bleach in the hole first and then the ammonia to be a little safer.  Worked like a charm both times.

cootkiller

Thats mustard gas. Don't do that.

My mistake. Still not a good idea.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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 Hey, I said don't breath the fumes.

Lots of things that work can be "not good ideas if not done with care"

meelosh, not trying to be a smart a$$ just saying, he asked for a solution and I presented one.
 And yes, if not done with extreme care it is quite dangerous, but then, so are a lot of things.

Forget I ever brought it up, its much safer, I guess, to pour gasoline down the hole and light a match:0

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+1: rather have the garter snake than the mice getting into my stuff. mowed the 3 acres yesterday and saw a number of fattened snakes; didn't see any mice.  did see a big badger hole that needed to be covered...so now i'll act like the labrador above, sit outside with the rifle trained on the hole.  or maybe i'll mix-up some mustard-gas-wannabe recipe and vaporize him.

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Yeah, it's not mustard agent which is a chemical that causes severe blistering and can lead to death (mostly due to dehydration and infections) but it does create chloramine and chlorine gases.  From the for-what-it's-worth department, chlorine gas is too small of a molecule to effectively be filtered out by most respirators.  So don't think that you can do this wearing a respirator.  And of course, the hydrazine formed by the backyard chemist is quite explosive.

 

Mixing Bleach and Ammonia

Chemical Reactions from Mixing Bleach and Ammonia

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Mixing bleach and ammonia is extremely dangerous, since toxic vapors will be produced. The primary toxic chemical formed by the reaction is chloramine vapor, with a potential for hydrazine formation. Here's a look at the chemical reactions involved in mixing bleach and ammonia, as well as some first aid advice if you accidentally become exposed to a bleach and ammonia mixture.

Chemicals Involved

Note that each and every one of these chemicals is toxic, except for the water and salt.

  • NH3 = ammonia
  • HCl = hydrochloric acid
  • NaOCl = sodium hypochlorite (bleach)
  • Cl = chlorine
  • Cl2 = chlorine gas
  • NH2Cl = chloramine
  • N2H4 = hydrazine
  • NaCl = sodium chloride or salt
  • H2O = water

Likely Chemical Reactions from Mixing Bleach and Ammonia

The bleach decomposes to form hydrochloric acid, which reacts with ammonia to form toxic chloramine fumes:

First the hydrochloric acid is formed:

NaOCl → NaOH + HOCl

HOCl → HCl + O

And then the ammonia and chlorine gas react to form chloramine, which is released as a vapor:

NaOCl + 2HCl → Cl2 + NaCl + H2O

2NH3 + Cl2 → 2NH2Cl

If ammonia is present in excess (which it may or may not be, depending on your mixture), toxic and potentially explosive liquid hydrazine may be formed. While impure hydrazine tends not to explode, it's still toxic, plus it can boil and spray hot toxic liquid.

2NH3 + NaOCl → N2H4 + NaCl + H2O

What to Do If You Mix Bleach and Ammonia - First Aid

If you do accidentally become to exposed to fumes from mixing bleach and ammonia, immediately remove yourself from the vicinity to fresh air and seek emergency medical attention. The vapors can attack your eyes and mucous membranes, but the biggest threat comes from inhaling the gases.

  1. Get away from the site where the chemicals were mixed. You can't call for help if you are overwhelmed by the fumes.

     

  2. Call 911 for emergency help. If you really don't think it's that bad, then at least call Poison Control for advice on handling the after-effects of exposure and cleaning up the chemicals. The number for Poison Control is:1-800-222-1222

     

  3. If you find someone who you think has mixed bleach and ammonia, chances are he or she will be unconscious. If you can, remove the person to fresh air, preferably outdoors. Call 911 for emergency assistance. Do not hang up until instructed to do so.

     

  4. Thoroughly ventilate the area before returning to dispose of the liquid. Seek specific instructions from Poison Control so that you don't hurt yourself. You're most likely to make this mistake in a bathroom or kitchen, so leave and seek assistance, return later to open a window, allow time for the fumes to dissipate, and then go back to clean up. Dilute the chemical mixture with plenty of water. Wear gloves, just as you would for either bleach or ammonia.

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 There should be a number 5.

5.  Does a serious number on Garter Snake dens.

Seriously though.
Not trying to get anyone hurt, and I am fairly confident this has been done by many as I did not come up with the idea, but was told by several people that it works, and it does.  I was also warned, as I warned on here that the fumes are highly toxic. 

I also was not saying you should light up a heater while you are doing it either.

On a side note, this second time I did it, two snakes actually made it out of the hole but were not long for the living world.

cootkiller

By the way Allen, that is the same website I searched before I did it this second time just to be sure of the ramifications, my wife was watching me the whole time "just in case"

 

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This would be a good time to post this. Trailer Trashed:

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By the way Allen, that is the same website I searched before I did it this second time just to be sure of the ramifications, my wife was watching me the whole time "just in case"

Always good to have a witness. 

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 I agree, she is a nurse so I may have had a fighting chance had I gotten a whiff.  
Snakes had NO chance though.

 

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garden hose and 22 always worked pretty good for me

 

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I always thought bleach was ammonia based....wierd

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I was talking to my former chem teacher today about this very subject, then I saw this, I have mixed bleach and amonia, and breathed in the fumes, very painful, but luckily there was no lasting damage, it is not worth it, way garter snakes eat bugs, and ataching a hose to the tail pipe of a truck or some other vehicle with bad mileage and pumping that down the hole would work well, tried it on woodchucks, they died. but if you want to make hydrochloric acid, just run chlorine gas through water, then add a metal to it other than gold to make hydrogen gas, we made bombs that way in chem, great fun. gold does not react with anything other than O2, and even then it is very dificult to make gold oxide which has no real purpose. and if you ever clog the toilet, do not use blech to unclog it, NOT FUN.

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Garters, bull snakes and hognose snakes are good to have around the place.   Not harmful to humans, beneficial in fact. 

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I decided a few years back that me and the garter snakes are just going to have to live side by side. They don't hurt anything and really do their best to get away from people.

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snakes move across the ground without legs not natural or right, there is no purpose for snakes, got mice get a cat, yotes and foxes also help, they are suppose to eat bugs and that is where frogs, toads, and birds come in so what is the purpose of the stupid things, the only snake i will not go out of my to kill is a bull snake because i heard they eat rattle snakes, i just figured i'll take the lesser of the two evils

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We have 10 barn cats and thousands of mice..im getting me some snakes dam knit. Every year we have a mouse make a nest in the ventilation compartment on the combine, so i have to vacuum out the infant mice and replace the stereo speakers, wires, and insualation. And after a year of sitting, they will bring a pale full of corn and store it in the half eaten cabin filter. I would take a snake in my vicinity over a single mouse any day,

 

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That and them stupid cats piss and shit everywhere! I would almost take a mouse over a barn cat.

 

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snakes move across the ground without legs not natural or right, there is no purpose for snakes, got mice get a cat, yotes and foxes also help, they are suppose to eat bugs and that is where frogs, toads, and birds come in so what is the purpose of the stupid things, the only snake i will not go out of my to kill is a bull snake because i heard they eat rattle snakes, i just figured i'll take the lesser of the two evils

Wow. Just wow.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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I never kill a garter snake,but cats?that is a different story,damn neigbors cats always come and do their thing in my garden,what is the solution for that ?,some lead?

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snakes move across the ground without legs not natural or right, there is no purpose for snakes, got mice get a cat, yotes and foxes also help, they are suppose to eat bugs and that is where frogs, toads, and birds come in so what is the purpose of the stupid things, the only snake i will not go out of my to kill is a bull snake because i heard they eat rattle snakes, i just figured i'll take the lesser of the two evils

I have also heard if you kill the original snake that started the den near your house, then wrap it around an upside down crucifix dipped in pigs blood and hang it above the entrance to your property it will keep other snakes away and also ward off evil spirits. Kind of a 2 for 1 deal.

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rednecka-man Said:
snakes move across the ground without legs not natural or right, there is no purpose for snakes, got mice get a cat, yotes and foxes also help, they are suppose to eat bugs and that is where frogs, toads, and birds come in so what is the purpose of the stupid things, the only snake i will not go out of my to kill is a bull snake because i heard they eat rattle snakes, i just figured i'll take the lesser of the two evils

I have also heard if you kill the original snake that started the den near your house, then wrap it around an upside down crucifix dipped in pigs blood and hang it above the entrance to your property it will keep other snakes away and also ward off evil spirits. Kind of a 2 for 1 deal.

Well, if it weren't for that damn snake and his forbidden fruit we would all be naked and live forever. 

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Captain Ahab Said:

multi-species-angler Said:

rednecka-man Said:
snakes move across the ground without legs not natural or right, there is no purpose for snakes, got mice get a cat, yotes and foxes also help, they are suppose to eat bugs and that is where frogs, toads, and birds come in so what is the purpose of the stupid things, the only snake i will not go out of my to kill is a bull snake because i heard they eat rattle snakes, i just figured i'll take the lesser of the two evils

I have also heard if you kill the original snake that started the den near your house, then wrap it around an upside down crucifix dipped in pigs blood and hang it above the entrance to your property it will keep other snakes away and also ward off evil spirits. Kind of a 2 for 1 deal.

Well, if it weren't for that damn snake and his forbidden fruit we would all be naked and live forever. 

How about a happy medium: shirt unbutton to belly button and able to survive extreme  alcohol consumption as well as trechorous falls into hellish piles of tree branches?

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Captain Ahab Said:

multi-species-angler Said:
I have also heard if you kill the original snake that started the den near your house, then wrap it around an upside down crucifix dipped in pigs blood and hang it above the entrance to your property it will keep other snakes away and also ward off evil spirits. Kind of a 2 for 1 deal.

Well, if it weren't for that damn snake and his forbidden fruit we would all be naked and live forever. 

There are a few I can think of that I am darn glad they arent naked....

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