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Sitting in someone else's tree stand.

I think its funny that the game and fish have fianally addressed this. I hunt alot of pubic land and we always have jokers up in our stands. When you ask them to get out the are always up in arms. One guy even told my buddy that it was his stand. When my buddy said wow thats funny I have the key for the lock how about you the guy got down and stomped off.
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I wouldn't necessarily say they have "addressed it".  The article says a person "should not use" another person's stand.  That's merely an opinion and doesn't say that it is illegal.  They are merely trying to encourage people to be courteous and not get somebody shot over a stupid stand argument.

Don't get me wrong, I have never used another's stand and don't plan on starting, but if the stand is hung up and left on public property the law still does allow a person to use it.  Not really any different than a boat dock on the Missouri River.  The dock was bought and paid for with personal money, but anything below the high water mark is on public land (water) and is available for public use. 

And while I haven't found a need to use someone else's boat dock either, the reason behind these provisions in the law is to prevent people from homesteading public property which is supposed to be available to all.  Otherwise I could buy a 100 treestands and populate enough WMA land to make all other hunters uncomfortable enough to have nearly exclusive access to that land.

Quite honestly, I don't think they should have even opined on this issue.

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p.s.  Someone please correct me if the law itself has changed.

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100 tress stands on WMA would not make me uncomfortable it  would make me very comfortable

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It should just be illegal, period.  The boat dock isn't the right example, it is the boat.

In other words, the tree where a tree stand is hanging is the boat dock.  The tree stand is the boat.  I don't think anyone can jump into my boat because it is tied to a public boat dock.  Whereas, I don't think anyone should be able to sit in my tree stand.

I think they did the appropriate addressing by requiring names on the tree stands.  That kinda makes it obvious that unless your name is on it, you shouldn't be sitting in it.

Yeah, I just don't know how someone can think "hey, a tree stand, I am going to sit in it" is the right plan of action.  Obviously, in many cases if you don't get your stand up first in a spot you probably won't be hunting the best area.  But that's why each year a person must take down their stands.  Next year, be the first to get it up if you want the certain area.  You could say the boat dock is the grove of trees.  Don't sit in my stand but you can use a different tree in the grove.  Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating anyone setup on another bow hunter's setup.  Just saying. 

I understand that if I am hunting a tree grove and another hunter hangs a stand X amount of feet from me that I can't be upset.  That makes perfect sense but sitting in someone else's stand doesn't and I don't understand why they don't just say it is illegal.  I mean, we couldn't write a rule in the fishing regulations that says you can only use two poles for shorefishing on this lake but you can use four on this lake in the name of "keeping the rules simple."  But we have a rule like this on tree stands where it still pretty much says it is not illegal.  Weird.


 

 

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I agree, Tim. I can't believe that someone would just move into another guy's tree stand without his permission!   Or boat dock either, except in an emergency or unusual situation. 
Legal or not, you'd have to be a slob to do that, IMO. 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
It should just be illegal, period.  The boat dock isn't the right example, it is the boat.

In other words, the tree where a tree stand is hanging is the boat dock.  The tree stand is the boat.  I don't think anyone can jump into my boat because it is tied to a public boat dock.  Whereas, I don't think anyone should be able to sit in my tree stand.

I think they did the appropriate addressing by requiring names on the tree stands.  That kinda makes it obvious that unless your name is on it, you shouldn't be sitting in it.

Yeah, I just don't know how someone can think "hey, a tree stand, I am going to sit in it" is the right plan of action.  Obviously, in many cases if you don't get your stand up first in a spot you probably won't be hunting the best area.  But that's why each year a person must take down their stands.  Next year, be the first to get it up if you want the certain area.  You could say the boat dock is the grove of trees.  Don't sit in my stand but you can use a different tree in the grove.  Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating anyone setup on another bow hunter's setup.  Just saying. 

I understand that if I am hunting a tree grove and another hunter hangs a stand X amount of feet from me that I can't be upset.  That makes perfect sense but sitting in someone else's stand doesn't and I don't understand why they don't just say it is illegal.  I mean, we couldn't write a rule in the fishing regulations that says you can only use two poles for shorefishing on this lake but you can use four on this lake in the name of "keeping the rules simple."  But we have a rule like this on tree stands where it still pretty much says it is not illegal.  Weird.

Actually Tim, the stand is the boat dock, not the tree.  The tree is the federal or state owned property that you have attached your personal property to.  To do otherwise would see people putting 150 ft long boat docks out for their dinghy along the Missouri as they could control the shoreline by simply covering it with their personal property.  Interestingly, I have never heard/read on someone using this to access your boat.  I suspect their effort would fail a legal test.

Like I said, I only support this law as I do the boat dock law as I currently understand it in its effort to prevent homesteading of public property.  I believe the county sheriffs along the Missouri get a few mistaken phone calls each year about people being on private property.  So there are plenty of people out there who continue to try and stake a claim to state and federal property and something needs to be in place to protect the general public's access.  Heck, some are so stupid that they actually believe you can go to the county tax office and volunteer to pay land taxes on a sandbar island and thus establish a legal claim to it. 

The name tags on the stands are not there so you can see who belongs in the treestand, NDGF doesn 't care so much about that.  What they do care about is people putting stands out ahead of the allowable dates and failing to retrieve them after the calendar date when they are supposed to have been removed.

Like most people, I too would be upset if I came across someone in a stand of mine.  Seems quite lazy to be using someone else's prepared stand.

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It is all in the eye of the tree stand holder I guess.

To me, it makes more sense in the scheme of things that the grove of trees is the boat dock.  But whatever, in my opinion, the dates are set to what they are SO PEOPLE CAN'T CLAIM a spot their spot forever.  Each year a guy has a crack at it.  You snooze you lose.


 

 

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Well, if I have or was to put my stand out early or leave it out all year.I sure would not put my name or  address on it.

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I think to clarify this a little better, we would all agree that we each have as much right to any given tree.  Nobody should be able to legally prevent me from accessing tree X. 
Nor should someone's simple hanging of a treestand on the north side of tree X at 14 ft above the ground prevent me from being able to legally access the north side of that public property at 14 ft above the ground.  It is of course illegal to tamper with a stand so I can't take it down if I want to hunt from tree X.

Like I said, without this provision in the law, I can guarantee you that someone (maybe even me) would go out and buy 40 tree stands and place them strategically in every fitting tree around one of the NDGF foodplots (pick one, Lonetree, Mclean Bottoms, etc).  Then I could get the taxpayers to not only buy me an exclusive little hunting preserve, but pay for the foodplot as well.  Sweet deal for me and maybe another 100 other hunters who would be willing to do the same!  So much for it being public property then.

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One year I totally forgot about my stand on NDGF land.  Heck, I was so confused I spent two days searching the farm for it wondering where I put the dang thing then it dawned on me I left it up!  Guess no one complained or the NDGF found it because it was still there.  That was a whoops on my part.  Didn't matter, it was a stupid spot for it anyway.

Not sure what good tree stands are in ND anyway.  Unless you have hunting locations along wooded river settings they are worthless.  Especially out in my neck of the woods.  I need the Mountrail Electric boys to put some power poles in the ground for me!  Finding big enough trees in my neck of the woods is about impossible, especially with any type of cover in them!


 

 

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Tim,Head East and hunt the big timber and its not along no river!G&F got one of my stands a 2 years ago.She-Game Warden- left her card on the tree,never called her but we did exchange a few interesting e-mails.

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I just pi$$ around everybody's tree stand that isn't mine.......

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You have to be a total leech to sit in someone else's stand without permission.  I don't care what the excuse.  Public land or not.  Hang your own dang stand.  You are still a leech if you set one up next to another but at least your not a total loser!!

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When I first read this thread I thought that it is $itty to sit in someles's stand. But then I thought about the guys hunting south of MacDonald's ranch on the WMA area thats ALWAYS put their stands up early. I thought about the other guys who sit out in their stand far from the road by the desert. They say it's too far to take a tree stand so they choose to leave it all year. They do take them down and hid them below the trees they use.  

So I don't know- you have people taking advantage of the system with their stands and you have others takingg advantages of anothers stand.

I just know for me that I would be very uncompfortable sitting in a stand wondering if it's owner was coming soon. I would feel silly if they showed up.

Jiffy,

I too piss around stands, but only my own. The deer get use to the smell and still come to eat the corn. I even hang windchims from my stand so the deer get used to sound coming from my stand.

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Its amazing what happens out in the field.  We have had treestands taken before.  We got them back and not even an apology.  Some people have a lot of nerve.  I expect that there is a lot of theft happening with all of the trail cameras that are set out.  Deer hunting makes an ahole out of alot of people, especially when there are big bucks in the area. 

Its just like goose hunting, why set up by another hunting party or individual when both parties will more than likely end up with little success.  Crazy i say!

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Chimes in the stand?  Really?  makes sense i guess to get the deer used to noise.  Do Big bucks fall for that trick too in your experience bdog?

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bdog Said:

Jiffy,

I too piss around stands, but only my own. The deer get use to the smell and still come to eat the corn. I even hang windchims from my stand so the deer get used to sound coming from my stand.

sigh......furthermore conditioning wild animals to "unwild" conditions.  not surprising coming from the source. 

Whatever turns your crank. 

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Enslow,

My stand are up all year on my property and even the big bucks get used to the piss and windchimes. Its amazing how good deer hear. I uses to pull my bow back as quietly and I could and it seemed the deer would always look up to the sound. With the windchimes they just write off sound coming from the stand to the chime.

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I am going to give that a shot bdog.  Thanks for the idea!  Maybe If i made a decoy of myself and set it by the apple pile they would get used to me too. Haha!

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Jiffy,

"Man" you are a hater.
 
How does a guy get so full of ugliness?

It just seems to spews out your pores here daily, just about every thread.

Try to fun some joy Jiffy. You are killing me with the negative.

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Jiffy,

I actually have heard others doing it.  I don't know if I'd call it a trick to make animals unwild.  Cover scents get used all the time from trapping, to deer, to whatever.  As for the chimes, nothing wrong with that in my opinon either.  Have a wind mill near a stand I use to hunt and it made all sorts of noise.  Did the same thing as chimes.

Then again, I was hunting it near a stock dam and a food plot.  Dang cheatin' me


 

 

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solocam Said:
You have to be a total leech to sit in someone else's stand without permission.  I don't care what the excuse.  Public land or not.  Hang your own dang stand.  You are still a leech if you set one up next to another but at least your not a total loser!!

What's the alternative solo? Would you rather that "leach" hunt on the ground? Or are you partial to the opinion that you've "reserved" that piece of public property to yourself?

This same scenario is playing out all over the west, whether with tree stands over stock tanks for muleys and elk in AZ or with ground blinds set up for antelope on water holes. This year I saw ground blinds set up on public land waterholes nearly a month before the archery opener (in full view of the road). Ballsy for sure (I wouldn't be comfortable with a $150-500 blind out there 25 miles from the nearest town), but I have no problem with them allowing the antelope to get used to the blind. What I do have a problem with is if I beat them to that "spot" on a given morning and they claim the "rights" to hunt it because of their squatting. Instead of fighting I will probably give in to their childishness, but not before I take a deuce 100 yards in front of their blind and not until after I get to set my car alarm off a few times as animals close in :D Keep in mind I would never sit in someones blind or tree stand, it isn't my property and I won't mess with it, but it still doesn't reserve you a location.

So basically, I don't care if you have a stand on public land. You weren't the first to scout an area, you won't be the last to hunt it. So if you get beat to your spot in the morning, man up and accept that someone wanted it more than you and either go to a plan "b" or go home. Just don't piss and moan that someone got out of bed earlier than you and got to "your" public land spot before you.


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I don't think anyone should be allowed to leave their permanent treestand out on public land.  Public land should be open to everyone and I think most ethical hunters would feel uncomfortable hunting where there is a permanent stand.  It certainly gives the impression that the owner of that stand somehow has a claim to the land.  Unfortunately, I think a lot of stand owners would feel that way as well.  I am very respectful of other people's space when I am hunting and hope for the same respect from others.  If  we want people to be ethical, we can't let others stake their claim on public land. 

I can see some reasonable exceptions; you set up your stand in the afternoon, hunt that evening, and come back in the morning.  However, leaving the stand out there for weeks/months at a time does not seem necessary. 

The ethics of hunting are too quickly evaporating around here, and allowing this to go on just furthers this problem.  The rule is asking us to forget our ethics, disregard the personal space of other hunters, and hope the stand owner gives you the same respect back. 

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Enslow,

Let me know if the cut out of you works- haha. I think I am going to try one of those Montana decoys this year, just for fun.

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I can see it now.  Outofrange and solo sprinting to the "finish line."

I was going to also mention Jiffy, another trick some use is to put a box, a scarecrow or whatever up in the tree stand so there is always something in it.  That way, deer aren't leery as much when it sits empty most of the time until a hunter is occupying it.

Back on subject, do I have the right to pitch a tent on top of another tent just because it is public land?  What is legal, what is right and what is not right are all different things.  If a person got his tree stand up before the other person then in my opinion that person obviously got up earlier in the morning.  There are many places to hunt on state land.  Maybe the trick should be we ban tree stands so everyone has to hunt on the ground.  That would make it "fair" for everyone.


 

 

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bdog Said:
Jiffy,

"Man" you are a hater.
 
How does a guy get so full of ugliness?

It just seems to spews out your pores here daily, just about every thread.

Try to fun some joy Jiffy. You are killing me with the negative.

Like I said there bdog, whatever turns your crank.  You want to do it, go for it.  Just stating the obvious.  I'm not into conditioning animals to corn piles, human pi$$ and wind chimes.   I don't know.....I'm weird I guess.   (double sigh) 

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I don't think anyone should be allowed to leave their permanent treestand out on public land.  Public land should be open to everyone and I think most ethical hunters would feel uncomfortable hunting where there is a permanent stand.  It certainly gives the impression that the owner of that stand somehow has a claim to the land.  Unfortunately, I think a lot of stand owners would feel that way as well.  I am very respectful of other people's space when I am hunting and hope for the same respect from others.  If  we want people to be ethical, we can't let others stake their claim on public land. 

I can see some reasonable exceptions; you set up your stand in the afternoon, hunt that evening, and come back in the morning.  However, leaving the stand out there for weeks/months at a time does not seem necessary. 

The ethics of hunting are too quickly evaporating around here, and allowing this to go on just furthers this problem.  The rule is asking us to forget our ethics, disregard the personal space of other hunters, and hope the stand owner gives you the same respect back. 

Bri-Guy,

Understood.  This is one of those situations where it is very difficult.  I guess I stand with one foot on each side of the line.

Sounds like to me we just ban tree stands.  That way it is fair for everyone.  Ground blinds can go anywhere.  In North Dakota very few trees are available.

Argh, I got myself into an argument that is basically a 50/50 split.  Both sides are right.  This will make the page views go sky high!  Good for business :-)


 

 

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Jiffy,

Thats why we live in America. To each their own as long as it isn't against the law. Lighten up you really don't think the world should live by your rules do you?

The funny thing we raley hunt the place its just fun to paly around with things and see what works.

You would only piss around others' stands. Thats the negitive that I am talking about . Smile   Jiff live is good.

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