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Shotgun chokes for coyotes

by , Posted to on 12/07/2010 10:32 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/04/2010
Location: ND
Anyone have any experience with the coyote choke tubes and coyote loads?  In your experience are they worth the money and how well do they pattern, say 50+ yards...curious.
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Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 11:03 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 08/21/2007
Location: ND
I wonder what would happen shooting 4 buck with an extra full turkey choke.
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Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 11:13 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/12/2008
Location: ND
I'm probably going to take a beating for throwing this out there, but it's my personal opinion, and don't expect others to have to agree. I'm an avid coyote hunter, I probably hunt coyotes more than any other game, and I feel that using a shotgun to kill coyotes is not an ethical form of hunting them. I'll use the example I saw on last night's episode of "Predator Quest". Les uses shotguns to hunt coyotes quite frequently and uses choke tubes and loads that are supposedly intended for use on coyotes. However, in last night's episode in particular, he shot at a coyote and it took him 4 shots with his special coyote load for him to knock the coyote down, and the animal suffered a pretty horrifying death, in my opinion. He had a rifle sitting right beside him, why didn't he use that? It would have taken 1 shot to effectively kill that coyote, so why blast away at him 4 times with buck-shot? It doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore, if I brought a coyote to my fur buyer that I had shot with a shotgun, he would look at me and laugh. Typically, a shotgun shot to a coyote or a fox will take the value out of a hide in a real hurry, and if you're just shooting the animal and leaving it lay, then we're talking about a whole different discussion on ethics.

Now, of course, I have shot and wounded MANY coyotes with my rifle and have had to finish them off with another round, and worse yet, have even had a few wounded ones get away. However, that's not a typical scenario with a rifle if you are doing it right. In my opinion, using a shotgun on a coyote with ANY type of choke tube or ANY type of load is no different that shooting a deer with a .22! Sure you can kill a deer with a .22, but is it the most ethical way to do it? No, there's a more effective and humane way.

Now, I don't mean to sound like an animal rights activist, but I have been coyote hunting for a lot of years, and I just don't see the sense in using a shotgun to do it. I realize that sometimes when calling a predator that they can surprise you and get too close to get on them with a rifle, but that's just part of hunting. No different than if a deer is 700 yards away and isn't close enough (700 yds is too far for me anyways!), just because he's in your sights, doesn't mean you have an ethical shot. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's something I'm missing, but when it comes to being an ethical hunter, I just don't see how it fits. I'm always open to suggestions though...



Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 11:27 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/29/2003
Location: MN
Never tried a x-full with 4 buck,but using a full really does the job,shot a bunch of yotes and fox back in the 70's and 80's with my old browning A-5 32" full using 00 and 4 buck,never had an issue,pretty sure the constriction on those older guns were really tight,maybe  even considered extra full by todays standards.Just don't run steel loads through the full choke~

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Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 12:40 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/04/2003
Location: ND
I've shot over 100 fox and about 30 coyotes with a shotgun. Don't waist your money on Dead Coyote shells; get some 3" BB lead or 4 buck. And let them get well in range!
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 12:49 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/10/2009
Location: ND
DrDeer, I do disagree. I think a shotgun with the correct load used at the correct range is extremely ethical and lethal. Like was mentioned above, let them get within range and use 3" lead BB's (or 3.5" steel BB's if you can't find lead). Don't shoot them at 70 yds or 7 feet and you will be good. My fur buyer prefers fox and coyotes shot with shotgun to rifle.

It's not that bad.

Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 2:15 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/30/2005
Location: ND
sportsman | Said:
DrDeer, I do disagree. I think a shotgun with the correct load used at the correct range is extremely ethical and lethal. Like was mentioned above, let them get within range and use 3" lead BB's (or 3.5" steel BB's if you can't find lead). Don't shoot them at 70 yds or 7 feet and you will be good. My fur buyer prefers fox and coyotes shot with shotgun to rifle.
+1

We typically shoot around 100 a year and seldom have a complaint with using a shotgun.  The fur buyers would rather sew a few bb holes than patch a 8" hole.  Either way, kill them all.  As far as chokes go, we use full factory chokes most of the time. 

Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 3:47 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/12/2008
Location: ND
Fair enough, apparently our fur buyers differ on how they want their hides. So let me ask this question then. Is this the reason that you use a shotgun to hunt coyotes rather than a rifle, because it is better for the hide? I use a .22-250 with a 55 grain bullet and I have never torn an 8" hole in a coyote in my entire hunting career.

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm just wondering what your justification for hunting coyotes with a shotgun is. Ethics aside, it seems more practical to me to use a rifle. They're effective at long and close range, and they have more knock-down power. In my opinion, even if you prefer the challenge of getting the coyote in to close range, you can still use a rifle to ensure a humane kill, whereas having a coyote 'hang up' at 90 yards and trying to kill it with a shotgun will usually result in an inhumane kill or a wounded animal getting away. Do you have a rifle with you in case this happens? Do you choose not to shoot? Do you take an unethical shot? I'm just curious, not trying to sound like a animal rights activist or a wise-ass.
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 3:50 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/22/2007
Location: ND
It's a coyote. They are a predator. Kill them anyway necessary.
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 4:06 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/17/2003
Location: ND
DrDeer,
It appears you and I are probably in the minority, but I agree with much of what you say. I was taught many years ago to respect ALL animals however it would seem that way of thinking has gone by the wayside somewhere along the line.

What I find ironic is some of the same people who were in favor of measure #2 because they felt it put hunters in a bad light are the same people posting some pretty nasty things about the way they feel about, and kill coyotes.

Being no animal rights groups have ever thought of monitoring hunting websites to gather fuel for their cause no harm is probably being done however.
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 6:54 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/03/2009
Location: nd
shotgun is nice for when you get a double or triple coming in...you let 1 or 2 get within shotgun range, blast them and then use the old rifle to blast the 1 on a dead run at 200 yards

Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 7:58 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/26/2010
Location: ND
 
DrDeer Said:
I'm probably going to take a beating for throwing this out there, but it's my personal opinion, and don't expect others to have to agree. I'm an avid coyote hunter, I probably hunt coyotes more than any other game, and I feel that using a shotgun to kill coyotes is not an ethical form of hunting them. I'll use the example I saw on last night's episode of "Predator Quest". Les uses shotguns to hunt coyotes quite frequently and uses choke tubes and loads that are supposedly intended for use on coyotes. However, in last night's episode in particular, he shot at a coyote and it took him 4 shots with his special coyote load for him to knock the coyote down, and the animal suffered a pretty horrifying death, in my opinion. He had a rifle sitting right beside him, why didn't he use that? It would have taken 1 shot to effectively kill that coyote, so why blast away at him 4 times with buck-shot? It doesn't make sense to me. Furthermore, if I brought a coyote to my fur buyer that I had shot with a shotgun, he would look at me and laugh. Typically, a shotgun shot to a coyote or a fox will take the value out of a hide in a real hurry, and if you're just shooting the animal and leaving it lay, then we're talking about a whole different discussion on ethics.

Now, of course, I have shot and wounded MANY coyotes with my rifle and have had to finish them off with another round, and worse yet, have even had a few wounded ones get away. However, that's not a typical scenario with a rifle if you are doing it right. In my opinion, using a shotgun on a coyote with ANY type of choke tube or ANY type of load is no different that shooting a deer with a .22! Sure you can kill a deer with a .22, but is it the most ethical way to do it? No, there's a more effective and humane way.

Now, I don't mean to sound like an animal rights activist, but I have been coyote hunting for a lot of years, and I just don't see the sense in using a shotgun to do it. I realize that sometimes when calling a predator that they can surprise you and get too close to get on them with a rifle, but that's just part of hunting. No different than if a deer is 700 yards away and isn't close enough (700 yds is too far for me anyways!), just because he's in your sights, doesn't mean you have an ethical shot. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe there's something I'm missing, but when it comes to being an ethical hunter, I just don't see how it fits. I'm always open to suggestions though...



This is a joke right? You obviously have NO IDEA.

If I could, I would shoot EVERY coyote with the scattergun. If youve done your homework with it, found a good shot/choke combo, it is ABSOLUTELY, hands down the BEST medicine there is for coyotes at close range!

Where do you get shotgunning devalues the pelt? My family bought fur for over 20 years, I LOVED shotgunned fox and coyotes. No sewing, no big holes, usually not much blood to wash out. The bees knees.

A good scattergun load is LIGHTS OUT for coyotes when used in its proper range.

 
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 8:00 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/26/2010
Location: ND
 
fish-head Said:
I wonder what would happen shooting 4 buck with an extra full turkey choke.

It will make a coyote go "plop".
 
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 8:02 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/26/2010
Location: ND
 
Snowball Said:
I've shot over 100 fox and about 30 coyotes with a shotgun. Don't waist your money on Dead Coyote shells; get some 3" BB lead or 4 buck. And let them get well in range!

A super full "turkey" choke, and 3" copper plated buffered BB is some serious medicine for coyotes out to 50 yards.

My benelli prefers 3" 4 buck and an extended full though. 21 pellets in a 18" circle at 50 yards. Lights out.


 
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 8:05 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/26/2010
Location: ND
 
DrDeer Said:


I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm just wondering what your justification for hunting coyotes with a shotgun is. Ethics aside, it seems more practical to me to use a rifle. They're effective at long and close range, and they have more knock-down power. In my opinion, even if you prefer the challenge of getting the coyote in to close range, you can still use a rifle to ensure a humane kill, whereas having a coyote 'hang up' at 90 yards and trying to kill it with a shotgun will usually result in an inhumane kill or a wounded animal getting away. Do you have a rifle with you in case this happens? Do you choose not to shoot? Do you take an unethical shot? I'm just curious, not trying to sound like a animal rights activist or a wise-ass.
My justification for using a shotgun when they're close enough?.....LESS FUR DAMAGE

If your shooting coyotes at 90 yards with a shotgun, youre an idiot.

50 yards and under, they get the smoothbore. Beyond that, the rifle. And yes, I often carry both.

 
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/07/2010 9:01 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/04/2002
Location: ND
We either double up one with rifle, the other with shotgun or if I am alone I carry both. If given a choice, I definitely prefer the shotgun to dispatch them. Quicker and the guy with the rifle might have another target of opportunity coming in.

BTW, my fur buyers from way back have always preferred them shot with the shotgun or .22 vs a rifle.

You can't aim a duck to death.

Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/08/2010 01:22 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/30/2005
Location: ND
You might think that you didnt blow a 8" hole in it, but it is often a different story when you skin it out. 
Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/08/2010 01:22 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/28/2008
Location: ND
12 gauge 3 1/2 bb and extra full choke for any thing under 50 yards and full moon hunting rifle right next to ya so they don't get educated thats my 2 cents
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Re: Shotgun chokes for coyotes
by on 12/08/2010 06:15 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/12/2003
Location: ND
I overhead some locals at the cenex that said-shotguns work very good for coyotes and mountain lions off a snowmobile??
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