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Shooting in the wind

Opening weekend is looking awfully windy, so that brings up the question of correcting aim due to wind.  Say for example you have a 15-20 mph crosswind, how far should a guy correct for something like that.  I understand this will change with the distance you are shooting, but anyone with a good idea, just try to ball park it.  Maybe consider 150-200 yard shot.

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 Catrrige?   Bullet?  Velocity?  Full-grade crosswind or quartering or something else?

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The best advice I can give you is to only shoot at game under 100 yards till you practice and learn .     You will not have a spotter with you on the hunt to tell you how much drift you will have and there are too many variables to answer your question,  It is like a million questions in one.  

 

 

 

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 Unfortunately I don't have all of that information. The gun I am shooting was purchased along with quite a number of boxes of a custom load. I don't know exactly what they are, but I believe they are a 115 gr. load, they shot perfect so I wasn't asking questions. I'm shooting a 25-06. Other than that I don't have a ton of other information.

As for the wind, right now projections are due east for where I am hunting. Shot may be quartering 15 degrees or so into the wind.

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 Geo, where I hunt, 100 yard shots are not all that likely. That's just how I personally like to hunt. Let the deer do their thing and not get in the way and cause a running shot.

Don't want to step on toes, but this is why I asked to ballpark it.

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 Go out and shoot a 3 shot group on a 4x4 piece of cardboard tomorrow or the first windy day  at 200 yards and you will learn more than if you get 20 replies to your question.    Then after those three shots go out to 200 again and try holding kentucky windage off target and you will be amazed  how much you just learned in 6 shots. Unless your different than me , Practice and expierments is where you will learn the most.  Good luck

 

 

 

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camoman89 Said:
Opening weekend is looking awfully windy, so that brings up the question of correcting aim due to wind.  Say for example you have a 15-20 mph crosswind, how far should a guy correct for something like that.  I understand this will change with the distance you are shooting, but anyone with a good idea, just try to ball park it.  Maybe consider 150-200 yard shot.

About that far,Maybe a foot in front of the deer,shit man just shoot and see where your bullet hits andmake a ajustment??

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 Murdock, thats the best answer I have read on here for a long time, it's called shoot
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just wing it.  Not like you havent had all summer to practice shoot groups or check any thing on the multitude of free ballistics calculators on the web.  With out velocity of the load you are just pissing in the wind if you really want to know. 

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Don't want to step on toes, but this is why I asked to ballpark it.

If you're looking for "ballpark" figures, you might consider investing in hand-grenades instead of 25-06 ammo.

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Murdock, where have you been the last few days.  Havent' heard much from you there buddy.  Must of had a few days off?

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 I use the force.....however not everybody is a Jedi.  

If you haven't practiced in the wind, don't shoot in the wind.  Even with practice it can be tricky.

My advice is to position yourself so you are shooting directly into the wind or directly with it.  In a hunting situation, directly into the wind for obvious reasons.

I killed the biggest buck of my life, with some help, in a full grade 20-25 with gusts at just over 300 yards.  It made my bunghole pucker, but I know that load and that rifle very, very well and practice with it out to 600.  

 

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I killed the biggest buck of my life, in a full grade 20-25 with gusts at just over 300 yards.  

Still wish I could've been rolling video.  'Ol Jiffy gets all set, takes in a deep breath, he's 25%+ into the trigger-pull and the deer lays down so now we gotta wait.  I'm lucky to not have burst out laughing and scared off every deer in the county.  One could've put a picture of Jiffy's face into Webster's book just behind the word "deflated" and everyone instantly would've known what it meant.

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It was rough!  Not everyday you have a 160 class buck in your sights.  Mentally it was very hard to stay focused.

 

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 It's easier when you don't have a buck tag.  (grin)

For the record, and the peanut gallery, Jiffy was panting like he'd just gotten his 1st pair of panties past the knees.

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shoot till u hit your target..practice.lol

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Not knowing if it is a light load, max load, bc, bullet etc....  I would say 15-18" of drift at 300yds. with a full value 20mph crosswind. Good luck   Today would be a good day to get some experience in shooting in the wind.

Brent 

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I would just go with the standard ND method of, shoot a old microwave at 50 yards to make sure it is "sighted in"  and then fling as much lead at a running deer as you can and hope you hit it. 

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I would just go with the standard ND method of, shoot a old microwave at 50 yards to make sure it is "sighted in"  and then fling as much lead at a running deer as you can and hope you hit it. 

It is entertaining watching some of the clowns "sight" the deer slayers in at the range like 5-7 days before opener.........classic

 

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 It's easier when you don't have a buck tag.  (grin)

For the record, and the peanut gallery, Jiffy was panting like he'd just gotten his 1st pair of panties past the knees.

That may be the best analogy I have ever read!

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For the record, I think I'm gonna go burn some ammo in the wind here directly.  Always good to shoot, and then shoot some more.

Ammo is still one of the cheapest parts of the hunt!

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yrd drop (in.) 10 mph 20 mph 30 mph
100 2.51 0.85 1.7 2.55
200 0 3.55 7.11 10.66
300 -8.57 8.37 16.74 25.12
400 -24.51 15.63 31.25 46.98
         
25-06, 115 gr. Nosler Partition @ 2900 fps  

This is from a ballistics program, it is by no means spot on for hunting but as you stated it will give you a guesstimate.  But like everyone stated, you need to get it on a range/bench and fine tune it by just shooting, shooting, and shooting some more.

I don't think that most people realize how much wind effects the bullet.  The above wind drift is at 90 degrees.

Good Luck?

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Horsager Said:
 It's easier when you don't have a buck tag.  (grin)

For the record, and the peanut gallery, Jiffy was panting like he'd just gotten his 1st pair of panties past the knees.

That may be the best analogy I have ever read!

To the OP, there are so many variables I agree with above advice to practice in the wind and see the result. Although I'm pretty sure I could quote Jiffy from years ago on here stating "wind is voodoo," so take that into account. 

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Trapper62 Said:

yrd drop (in.) 10 mph 20 mph 30 mph
100 2.51 0.85 1.7 2.55
200 0 3.55 7.11 10.66
300 -8.57 8.37 16.74 25.12
400 -24.51 15.63 31.25 46.98
         
25-06, 115 gr. Nosler Partition @ 2900 fps  

This is from a ballistics program, it is by no means spot on for hunting but as you stated it will give you a guesstimate.  But like everyone stated, you need to get it on a range/bench and fine tune it by just shooting, shooting, and shooting some more.

I don't think that most people realize how much wind effects the bullet.  The above wind drift is at 90 degrees.

Good Luck?

So basically don't shoot unless they are close over opener weekend.

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 The problem isn't so much in knowing the drift, it's in knowing what the actual wind speed is vs. a guess.  Gusts are problematic as are any features on the land that shelter or funnel wind.

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 The problem isn't so much in knowing the drift, it's in knowing what the actual wind speed is vs. a guess.  Gusts are problematic as are any features on the land that shelter or funnel wind.

Thank you Kestrel....

Now to have them mounted where the deer are versus where I sit.... hmmm

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Why do you need to know the wind speed at the target?  Which affects the bullet path more?  Point of origin?  midflight?  Or as the bullet slows say 200yds from the target?  Which call is the most important?   

Brent

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Why do you need to know the wind speed at the target?  Which affects the bullet path more?  Point of origin?  midflight?  Or as the bullet slows say 200yds from the target?  Which call is the most important?   

Brent

Making the call whether or not to shoot is the most important.

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Horsager Said:
 The problem isn't so much in knowing the drift, it's in knowing what the actual wind speed is vs. a guess.  Gusts are problematic as are any features on the land that shelter or funnel wind.

Thank you Kestrel....

Now to have them mounted where the deer are versus where I sit.... hmmm

What you need are sensors every 50yds that are integrated and able to broadcast to the Kestrel unit in your hand.  Based on those readings you get a predicted bullet flight path.  Only oughta run about $5K and need bluebird weather.  (grin)

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 AR 10s a windy days hunting gun.  Shoot shoot shoot! 

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200 yard shot 15-20 mph cross wind, you're looking at 5-7 inches max. Lots of ballistic programs out there for free that will give you ball park. Run one of them and print off a cheat sheet and tape if to your stock. Biggest thing is knowing distance, wind speed, and having your cheat sheet.

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Yep, agree with everything above.  Shooting flat land and you probably don't have to much wind varience, but shoot hills or badlands and look out!

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Why do you need to know the wind speed at the target?  Which affects the bullet path more?  Point of origin?  midflight?  Or as the bullet slows say 200yds from the target?  Which call is the most important?   

Brent

If you want to pick nits....on gun wind call is most important.   For the record, it is up for debate among many shooters. 

Nose into the wind and you'll be fine.  Use a little stealth and move.  

 

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 with a head wind, does drop change ?  I am pretty sure it does, not much paper experience with it tho.  anyway shoot on paper with a 20mph headwind?

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If you want to pick nits....on gun wind call is most important.   For the record, it is up for debate among many shooters. 

Nose into the wind and you'll be fine.  Use a little stealth and move.  

Not trying to pick nits...... just bored.  Home with flu.  After a stimulating conversation, and some learning.  For the record I quit long range shooting at big game animals several years ago.  The more I learn the closer I get.  But being able to make a shot very few can to me is the trophy itself.  

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Head and tailwinds are the toughest for me to shoot in.  Unpredictable in my opinion and correction for me is the hardest to make.  Everytime it is a WAG. 

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 with a head wind, does drop change ?  I am pretty sure it does, not much paper experience with it tho.  anyway shoot on paper with a 20mph headwind?

Almost none.  20MPH is only about 30fps.  Gotta be a pretty long ways away before 30FPS means diddly squat.

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 so you think a head or tail wind is harder to shoot in than a gusting full grade 20+?  If so you haven't shot a BB gun at a barn swallow...

 

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 that was for biplet or blipete or what the hell ever...

 

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Don't worry about the wind, it affect the deer and your bullet, so its a wash.  hold on hair,  a miss is just an opportunity to hunt some more!

                                                                                                                         

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Yep a head or tail is harder in my opinion than a full value or gusting crosswind.  Which can you correct for?  Why can't a head or tail be corrected?  If you shoot with/against the wind does your bullet always impacted in the same place within you expected accuracy of the rifle?  A crosswind you can always play with your holdover.  

Funny I thought a 6mm at 1000yds. was like shooting a BBgun.

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Assuming we are talking the same velocities.

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 A head or tail wind has almost zero bearing on POI......damn near nothing.

So blueplet, when are you having that practical tactical shoot?  Maybe you could show us all something?  I'm dying to see it...

 

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 I know with arrows, apples to oranges, a head wind will sometimes keep your arrow up.  a tail wind will drive it down.  I know the velocity is not changed much on a rifle but could a hard tail wind keep bullet up?  

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 A head or tail wind has almost zero bearing on POI......damn near nothing.

So blueplet, when are you having that practical tactical shoot?  Maybe you could show us all something?  I'm dying to see it...

There was a guy in Minot, or from Minot and now living down South, trying to get a match together for Minot this year. I'm pretty sure he had a rifle built for the grand prize and everything. Think the dates he had in mind were towards the end of Sept, stupid dates. I told him that. I offered to help him advertise for it but I don't think he ever had enough interest from people. The entry fee was pretty steep, and bad timing.. No idea if they had it or not. It would be nice if somebody in this state would get a couple shoots going, like one in early Spring and one in July/early August... 

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 I agree...I'd be there.  Without a doubt I would.  

 

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 I would probably get crushed though.  My lowly 308 probably couldn't hang....

 

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you can shoot a match dang near every other weekend during the summer in North Dakota, every weekend if you want to travel to Canada .  Used to be that way 7 or 8 years ago anyway.     Most are off hand matches

 

 

 

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 I would probably get crushed though.  My lowly 308 probably couldn't hang....

Pretty sure that statement is false, and the only reason I'd ever participate in anything like that right now would be to learn from guys like you......I'd get crushed, but it'd be a hell of a good time!!

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 Geo none of which are tactical matches.... it's a whole different shooting match.  Pun intended

F-class is cool but boring.  High power?...meh.  I'd really be interested in a tactical match.  Maybe even something you'd have to do some stalking or move and shoot stations.  Sitting in one spot and shooting is for the old and out of shape.  In my humble opinion....

 

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Jiffy. Said:
 I would probably get crushed though.  My lowly 308 probably couldn't hang....

Pretty sure that statement is false, and the only reason I'd ever participate in anything like that right now would be to learn from guys like you......I'd get crushed, but it'd be a hell of a good time!!

I am far from the best but I will always help someone willing to learn and in turn almost always learn something myself.  Ego needs to take a backseat, this is something many shooters have a problem with.   

 

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