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sciatic nerve pain

by , Posted to on 12/08/2011 7:56 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 06/10/2009
Location: nd
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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 7:58 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: nd
Wtf? Tried posting a new topic off my crackberry and that's what I get?

Anyway, does anyone out there have a remedy or tips on dealing with sciatic nerve pain? I've delt with it for about 2 months now. Chiro does nothing.
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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 8:05 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/23/2004
Location: ND
I'd recommend a visit to a neurosurgeon.  I had a bad sciatic issue and an MRI showed a small piece of a disc had broken off and was floating around and lodged against the nerve.  It got better without surgery, but I expect it to show itself again in the future and eventually will need surgery. 

In my case, chiropractic actually made it worse.
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 8:20 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/12/2004
Location: ND
Started with a "bone-cracker" about the same issue. Tried 2 different ones with no help. Went and saw a massage therapist. WOW! After an hour on the table, many tears, and bruised butt cheeks, I stood up and bent straight down for the first time in 2 months and touched my toes. I go back about twice a year for a good deep massage.... works wonders!  Good luck!
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 9:23 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/10/2006
Location: ND
 I got an inversiontable from scheels, havent been to dr in 7 months and no drugs
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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 9:50 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/21/2005
Location: ND
had that 30 yrs ago went to Dr Todd Johnson in Kenmare laid down put my knee up to my neck and pushed nothing he said relax and jumped up landed on my hip and have never had any issues. it hurt so bad i wanted to change places with him but couldn't move for 5 minutes. now the inversion table for 20 minutes a day

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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 9:50 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
had that 30 yrs ago went to Dr Todd Johnson in Kenmare laid down put my knee up to my neck and pushed nothing he said relax and jumped up landed on my hip and have never had any issues. it hurt so bad i wanted to change places with him but couldn't move for 5 minutes. now the inversion table for 20 minutes a day

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drug test everyone on welfare

have an open season on molesters

Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 9:52 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 9:55 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
I've tried just about everything over the years.   Chiropractic treatment, the usual medical treatment - NSAIDS and physiotherapy, massage therapy, accupuncture, TENS stuff, surgery X 2 with fusion, inversion table and other traction devices, epidural steroids, back supplements of every shape and color,  transdermal Lidocaine patches, you name it.     Probably a bunch of stuff I've forgotten.
I've come to the conclusion that everyone's back is different and in the case of ttreatment "If it feels good, so it!"  What works for one might not do a thing for the next and what works sometimes other times doesn't work at all for this flare up.   Be open minded and flexible and don't hesitate to try everything.  Just about any form of conservative treatment CAN'T hurt you.  Worst thing is they might not help and cost you a bunch of money! 
There are a lot of new gee whiz surgeries out there, but as a former partner of mine once said "Never be the first guy to have a new surgery done!"   Or the last either, but best to avoid anything new and sensational - if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't! 
  
IMO - Try all the easy things first, and avoid surgery till its the last resort.   There's a lot of fairly long term back studies out following randomized surgery vs. non surgey groups that show basically at the end of a year, the surgery group does better than the non surgery conservative bunch.  At two years, results are about the same.  At five years the non surgical/conservative group is fairly consistently  better. Wish I'd have know that before my first go around.  
That is NOT to say to avoid surgery if it is an emergency situation and the nerves to your leg are dying and your muscles are disappearning, etc. .  Sometimes immediate intervention is required and you'll usually get a reasonable result in a hurry and back to work quicker.  But if you have the time and can afford to lie around and wait for conservative treatment to work, you might be better in the long run.  Might not, too. Xtal Balls are in short supply!
  Trouble with any back surgery is that by removing part of the vertebrae, it weakens it and allows them to slip and slide when they should be rigid, which sets the stage for further troubles down the road, epecially with an idiot patient like me who insists on building cabins, welding up steel deer stands for everybody in the neighborhood, building 'stuff' and hauling out dead animals.  :)   
Conservative treatment is kind of a trial and error thing.  As I said, what works for one person may not for the next and vice versa.   No matter what happens, you will NEVER get a new back, so don't do stupid things like I do/did and get all the mileage out of your back that you can.  
Prevention, like most things, is best but obviously doesn't always work 100% either.
No matter how you treat it remember it is a lifelong condition that WILL rear its ugly head if you abuse it.  The human back has a lot of inherent design problems - amazing the lawyers haven't instigated a class action lawsuit against God!  God must have had a bad day when she designed the human back!

My own treatment plan that works for me has been to ride a recumbent bike (one of those stupid looking things - kind of like riding a lawn chair in a reclining position) for at least 15 miles pretty well every day, and I can walk fine.  Upright bike puts me in bed for a week.   In winter I ride my recumbent trainer bike in the basement for a 1 hour TV series program or a netflix documentary every morning at least 5 times a week with some back exercises thrown in.  The boob tube while riding it makes it tolerable.   Probably helps the old ticker, too.
Good luck and take care with your back.,  You only get one, and so far they haven't invented a back transplant. 
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 10:21 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/03/2002
Location: ND
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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 10:29 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/12/2007
Location: ND
I've went through two bouts with a herniated disc, the last time I was scheduled for surgery and cancelled right before. It plain and simple sucks! It took me over 6 months to get rid of the pain and I still have some at times. I am pretty sure surgery is in my future, but I am going to hold off as long as I can! Wish I would of listened to my elders years ago, since I am sure some of the stupid crap I did is related to my problems now!
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 10:42 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/27/2004
Location: ND
I've had lower back issues and stretching my hamstrings in the morning and evening have helped me a lot.    I went to a family Dr. and a couple chiropractors and not a single one even thought to ask if my hamstrings are tight.   I figured it out on my own.   Try it cause it is free!  Good luck to you.  See link below....

http://www.spinal-health-care.com/tips-a-advice/hamstring-stretch/

Also,  if you have a few extra pounds around the mid section that can raise hell with your back and if you have weak abs that won't help either.
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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/08/2011 10:46 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
stretching the hamstrings while laying on my back has helped for me.  it helps to have someone assist you.  and the hotter she is the better
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 01:12 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 03/05/2009
Location: ND
 Just had a lumbar laminectomy on disks 2-5 a month ago.....instant relief....The DR I went to was at ST.Alexis in bismarck...........DR Belanger is the guy you will want to see, he knows his stuff and has fixed other family members also. I highly recommend visiting him as he will tell you your options. It comes down to if it's affecting the quality of your life.. I was messed up for 5 years before I just got it fixed. Anytime I would lift something kind of heavy, BAM I was out for a week or 2.....Couple months ago all it took was standing up from the kitchen table and I almost hit the floor...Worst pain in my life, and i've had some doozies before. Sciatic pain only lasted for a short period when I first injured it. Eventually it went away, in the end it switched from shooting down my back and into my legs to shooting down the front of my legs into my knee caps. I feel very confident he fixed me, but still am aware it will never be the same. 



Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 07:37 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/11/2002
Location: ND
Bobkat,
Ditto times 2.  
I have had 3 1/2 back surgeries and 2 neck surgeries and in the short future need 1 more or each.  I have tried everything also and ended up doing surgery but had to get back to work (of course sooner than told to do so).  If i had listened the first or second time maybe things would be different.  Anyway if you do have to have surgery go to one that is specialized in doing it and that is all he does. 
My last neck surgery I ended up at Twin City Spine Center in Minneapolis and had Dr. Darrel Dykes.  No one else in the U.S. would touch it after the first doctor screwed it up.  He said he couldn't totally cure it but could help me with the pain.  Went from a 10 down to a 6 1/2 on a good day.  Doesn't sound like much but if you ever get to a 10 any relief is good.  I also have been told i have a very high pain threshold.
My right leg, knee, and foot is semi numb all the time and when it goes completely numb (without warning) i fall a lot.  Sometimes 6 times a day and it happens without warning and usually in mid stride.  My leg giving out started my neck problems as when I fall sometimes you fall into things and hit your head and jamb your neck.  Hence the neck and shoulder problems and pain.  This is what can happen so don't do what we have done if you have surgery take care and heal up!  I still see the chiropractor 2-3 times a week also to help keep things moving.
When i get to Bismarck the best ones that work for me is Dakota Life Chiropractic 255-7800.  Dr. Liz and Dr. Chuck Seil both are good at least for me.
Good luck and hope things work out for the best for you!!!
Brokenbackjack
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 09:20 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND
Always wondered about your name Brokenback.  Good luck with it all.  Sounds like you've been through the mill.  I got a shoot out the window handicapped permit after my first surgery but never used it till a bit this fall.    Sounds like the writing's on the wall for you, too.

I think hamstring stretching is as therapeutic to the long extensor muscles of the back, a core muscle strengthening exercise, as to the hamstrings themselves, as they all move and contract with those exercises.   But any muscular exercise anywhere in the body is good, especially the back and lower extremities.  
And 3X makes an excellent usually overlooked point.   Keep your weight down!   You wouldn't put 4 tons in the back of a half ton, so why do the same with your back?  
Also, any exercise, walking, toe touching, etc. keeps the muscles tuned up - needed for dragging out those dead (oops harvested) deer and elk come fall.   Helps the ticker not stop when you are aiming at that 7X7 bull elk, too! 
One more thing.  If you smoke, STOP SMOKING - the back surgeons I've known say that smoking interferes with the micro blood supply to the disc itself and people who smoke have many times the disc problems as do non smokers.   One told me that ideally no back surgeon should operate on anyone who smokes till they stop for at least 6 months , but in the world of reality, they'd starve if they made it a rule!   Yup, medicine is competative. 
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 10:21 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/09/2011
Location: ND
Don't waste your money going to a chiropractor! I had the same thing and these exercises helped almost immediately, especially the first one...
http://www.squidoo.com/Recommended-Sciatic-Nerve-Stretches
BMax
Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 10:53 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/27/2004
Location: ND
BMaximus Said:
Don't waste your money going to a chiropractor! I had the same thing and these exercises helped almost immediately, especially the first one...
http://www.squidoo.com/Recommended-Sciatic-Nerve-Stretches
Good link.  I looked for something similar and couldn't find it.  I just do the #1 and #2 stretches and I'm good.

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Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 11:07 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/07/2009
Location: ND
some of the best advice on this page. if there was a golden bullet that worked for everyone there would not be a need for surgery, chiro, massage therapy, stretching, etc..... every single person is different and some things work and some don't. hard for me to understand why people say, don't do ___________, it didn't do a dam thing for me. just because your pain is the same, it might be caused by something different and this is why 1 treatment will work for 1 and not another.
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bobkat Said:
I've tried just about everything over the years.   Chiropractic treatment, the usual medical treatment - NSAIDS and physiotherapy, massage therapy, accupuncture, TENS stuff, surgery X 2 with fusion, inversion table and other traction devices, epidural steroids, back supplements of every shape and color,  transdermal Lidocaine patches, you name it.     Probably a bunch of stuff I've forgotten.
I've come to the conclusion that everyone's back is different and in the case of ttreatment "If it feels good, so it!"  What works for one might not do a thing for the next and what works sometimes other times doesn't work at all for this flare up.   Be open minded and flexible and don't hesitate to try everything.  Just about any form of conservative treatment CAN'T hurt you.  Worst thing is they might not help and cost you a bunch of money! 
There are a lot of new gee whiz surgeries out there, but as a former partner of mine once said "Never be the first guy to have a new surgery done!"   Or the last either, but best to avoid anything new and sensational - if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't! 
  
IMO - Try all the easy things first, and avoid surgery till its the last resort.   There's a lot of fairly long term back studies out following randomized surgery vs. non surgey groups that show basically at the end of a year, the surgery group does better than the non surgery conservative bunch.  At two years, results are about the same.  At five years the non surgical/conservative group is fairly consistently  better. Wish I'd have know that before my first go around.  
That is NOT to say to avoid surgery if it is an emergency situation and the nerves to your leg are dying and your muscles are disappearning, etc. .  Sometimes immediate intervention is required and you'll usually get a reasonable result in a hurry and back to work quicker.  But if you have the time and can afford to lie around and wait for conservative treatment to work, you might be better in the long run.  Might not, too. Xtal Balls are in short supply!
  Trouble with any back surgery is that by removing part of the vertebrae, it weakens it and allows them to slip and slide when they should be rigid, which sets the stage for further troubles down the road, epecially with an idiot patient like me who insists on building cabins, welding up steel deer stands for everybody in the neighborhood, building 'stuff' and hauling out dead animals.  :)   
Conservative treatment is kind of a trial and error thing.  As I said, what works for one person may not for the next and vice versa.   No matter what happens, you will NEVER get a new back, so don't do stupid things like I do/did and get all the mileage out of your back that you can.  
Prevention, like most things, is best but obviously doesn't always work 100% either.
No matter how you treat it remember it is a lifelong condition that WILL rear its ugly head if you abuse it.  The human back has a lot of inherent design problems - amazing the lawyers haven't instigated a class action lawsuit against God!  God must have had a bad day when she designed the human back!

My own treatment plan that works for me has been to ride a recumbent bike (one of those stupid looking things - kind of like riding a lawn chair in a reclining position) for at least 15 miles pretty well every day, and I can walk fine.  Upright bike puts me in bed for a week.   In winter I ride my recumbent trainer bike in the basement for a 1 hour TV series program or a netflix documentary every morning at least 5 times a week with some back exercises thrown in.  The boob tube while riding it makes it tolerable.   Probably helps the old ticker, too.
Good luck and take care with your back.,  You only get one, and so far they haven't invented a back transplant. 



Re: sciatic nerve pain
by on 12/09/2011 11:45 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/16/2001
Location: ND

Try chiropractic treatment.  I have lots of friends and pts I've sent over the years that it works for just fine.  If it doesn't help, try something else.  Kind of like fishin....

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