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Scent Blocker and Scent Lok scam?

I have heard rumors about Scent Blocker and Scent Lok companies possibly being taken to court. According to my sources, there is a group of people that have conducted their own research on carbon suits that these two companies have been selling for the past decade or so. Their tests concluded that carbon clothing is no better than normal hunting clothing that we use, provided that we use the same procedures that we would use on carbon and regular clothes. I have been using carbon clothing for the past 7 or eight years and have had a lot of success using these products. Maybe these carbon clothing companies have brainwashed myself and others into believing that this stuff works? I do believe that if we do everything we can do in our power to take every step to eliminate human odor, that would greatly increase our odds of bagging a mature deer, carbon or not. Just my two cents!

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I think alot of these products are overrated.I just feel if they can smell you theyll smell your breath or something anyway.I have a freind who swears by it though. Id rather pay attention to good camo,complete silence and wind direction.My .02

 

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I've used scent killer and cover scents, washed my clothes in scent killer laundry soap, took a shower with scent killer soap for many years. Even after doing all this I don't think I ever fooled a deers nose if the wind direction was wrong. So I gave up on all that scent elimination stuff and hunted as I always did, paying attention to the wind. Nothings changed. Wish I could get all that money back I wasted.

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I try not to sweat and wear wool a lot. I've several different layers of wool to wear depending on weather. Filson's or Cabela's wool whipcord pants are the single-most versatile bottoms a guy can own and you will be dead and buried before they're worn out. I wear Pendleton wool shirts most often and adjust temp control with my base layer. I think wool does a pretty good job of minimizing human odor.

Should the folks challenging the carbon suits win we'll need a whole new crop of outdoor hosts on TV shows as they've all sold their soul to the carbon suit companies.

How many folks know guys who smoke in/to-from their tree stand and still manage to shoot a deer every year?

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I have used scent killer, some

I purchased a scent lok outfit this past fall, only wore it a few times bow hunting, will give it the test this fall

tons of stuff on the market, I've only tried a couple, I guess I didn't bathe in it

movement, wind direction, and a good chew of Redman for suck em in bait, LOL.

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The lawsuit isn't a rumor. That is a fact. There is some information about it here:

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2007/09/24/four-minnesota-hunters-suing...

The official court documents can be found here:
http://www.skinnymoose.com/ALSLawsuit.pdf

Some of their claims have some validity. One of the ones cited is the fact that the activated carbon can be reactivated by being put in a regular household dryer. The lawsuit cites evidence claiming that temperatures of 200 degrees plus are needed for any effect at all, over 800 degrees is needed for any significant amount of desorbtion, and that a typical household dryer does not get above 150 degrees.

The plaintiffs are seeking class-action status, so in the event that a decision was made in favor of the plaintiffs, you would be automatically eligible as part of the affected class if you have purchased scent-lok products.

-Mike

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Prolly a bunch of sour-grapes folks who either lost their sponsorship or couldn't get any to begin with. Maybe disgruntled former employees.

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Wool gear designed to keep you warm can be EXPENSIVE!!! But, if you search ebay, you will find a bunch of 100% merino shirts, etc that are for sale that work just fine for layering, often for 1/10 the price of similar new stuff. Just a FYI for everyone.

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Never used carbon, good camo and wind direction are the main factors I look at. always worked for me.

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I have always held to the thought that the stuff is over rated. As mentioned earlier, keep any set of clothes very clean and 'sweat free' and sit tight. I will say that uncsented soap is important but as for the question; does scent lok really work as well as advertised? I would have to say no, with the experience I have had with and without it. PS: dont forget that odors emitted from breathing, backpacks, bow etc... everyone is fixated on clothing when in fact things they carry in may be their worst enemy.

 

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I have always held to the thought that the stuff is over rated. As mentioned earlier, keep any set of clothes very clean and 'sweat free' and sit tight. I will say that uncsented soap is important but as for the question; does scent lok really work as well as advertised? I would have to say no, with the experience I have had with and without it. PS: dont forget that odors emitted from breathing, backpacks, bow etc... everyone is fixated on clothing when in fact things they carry in may be their worst enemy.

 

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Wow, if they are going to sue and win just how many other MILLIONS of products out there should we all start suing???  I personally think this lawsuit is frivolous and should be tossed out of court.  I'm sorry they bought it and it didn't work but hey, a little thought on the purchase would have saved them their 100 to 300 dollar purchases.

I've said time and time again that the Scent systems are not 100 percent proof.  There's no possible way.  I've never owned any and never will in the name of scent elimination.  If I bought some of their clothing it would because the clothing is pretty dang comfortable and designed nicely for everyday hunting.  I've always been a person to play the wind and always will be because to me its obvious there is no way to eliminate our scent.

Anyway, I think this lawsuit is silly.  Lawsuits like this are why we have problems in the good ole U.S. of A.  With that said, has Scent Lok or Scent Blocker ever said it eliminates human odor 100 percent or is capable of 100% "reactivating"?  If so, I guess I called b.s. on it a long time ago.  Does it help?  Yeah it probably does because carbon does act as a cover scent but 100 percent?  Definitely not.

For the record, I'm with Horsager.  Wool is the ticket.

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I need to get a lawsuit going because some new cranks I bought last year didn't catch me a fish.  I'm suing...[insert evil laugh here]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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If I was Cabela's or other entities I'd counter sue because they were dumb enough to hunt down wind and site millions of magazines and articles that tell hunters how to hunt!

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If we're suing crankbait manufacturers put me 1st in line to sue Reef Runner cause they don't run straight out of the package! 'Course if I won the suit their fix would be to send everyone who's ever bought a Reef Runner one of their "Tune-a-Fish" adjustment tools and I've already got a couple of them so what's the point.

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Lycan, for the $$$$ I think the best thing going as an outer insulating "keep you warm" layer in wool is the Cabela's Wooltimate with Windstopper. Of course you'll need to layer appropriately underneath as well. I've got the coat and even when I got it (and me) soaking wet elk hunting this fall it was still warm.

I also soaked my Whipcords with Merino longjohns underneath and while they weren't "warm" anymore and I did get cold, it was merely "uncomfortable" cold and not, "I gotta get up and move around or freeze to death" cold. Wool clothing gets the bulk of the credit for me being able to sit out in the rain/wind/cold long enough for my elk to walk by and eat a bullet.

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Does one wear wool as a outer layer, if so does one have problems with it snagging or catching on things? Is it smarter to put a thin outer layer on the wool to prevent this? Sorry for being off the subject, Thanks.

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I got a whole scent lok suit and I swear by the stuff. This fall I shot a huge buck with my bow. He came in from down wind and never smelt me. I got a shot at 15 yards. I didn't even shower before I went out. I swear by this stuff and everyone should really give it a try.

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Wool as an outer layer depends on the day. When big game hunting I like a layer of wool worked in somewhere. It can be a simple as a Merino base layer, sometimes it's Whipcords and a wool shirt, in the really cold it's wool for an outer layer as well. I don't think wool is any "catchier" than fleece. When it's really cold with any wind I work in a layer of windstopper somewhere as well. Wool doesn't stop wind well on it's own.

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I go the Arnold vs. Predator route (although its scent vs. thermal).  Each time I go out I strip down and roll around in charcoal.  Works every time. 

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I have no problem with independent testing to determine if it actually works or not. I guess the key word to me is 'independent'. If in fact its found to be false advertising than by all means they should pay a penalty. If its proven to work as they claim their tests prove than they will be vindicated. Product claims are tested all the time, its a form of protection for all consumers. If you advertise certain facts, they better be FACTS!

Sugar cubes have cured a lot of illness in this country so let the tests speak for themselves one way or the other. I have scent lok myself and I prefer to know before I spend anymore money on such products. Ive fooled deer with and without it so I'm up in the air on this until 'independent' tests give me the facts, again, either way.

If I take the same conscious effort to clean myself with wool or cotton clothes as I do with scent lok, would my results change? It appears we will find out scientifically one way or another. That seems fair to me.

 

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Tim, don't the deer pick out your "black" color then or do you put your hunting clothes on after rolling in it? :-)

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I have tested my own garments to a certain extent, and found them very effective against straight ammonia, much the same as the ammonia smell in sweat.....so with that I do beleive in the use of my scent blocker, but don't rely on it solely. I still use cover scents and of course play the wind, but I have fooled a deers nose many a time, and do beleive that scent blocker assisted to some extent.

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Yeah, gotta put close on afterward.

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I will admit, I have bought into the whole scent blocker idea along with rubber boots. I also use the shower soaps and deodorants. Don't use any cover scents whatsoever. I still try and play the wind but if I can't, am not afraid to go anyway. Seems to work great for me. Have had many deer come in down wind and not been busted. Have had a few see something they didn't like and try to get my wind and are unable to. Coincidence, maybe but I believe in it. Would I say it is 100% legit. No, but what is?

"When we step into the outdoors, we have the privilege of standing in the presence of God through the power and majesty of His creation. That makes hunting more than a sport or a hobby. It's a calling to something greater. And that transforms the places that we stand into something more than a cropfield or a pasture or a mountain. It makes that place Hallowed Ground."

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What, are you cookin' meth iminrut?

Ammonia? We use that stuff out in parshall but it's for fertilizer. ;)


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I can't see how anyone could possibly do any meaningful objective research on whether scent blocking stuff or cover scents works or not!?!
Anecdotal evidence one way or another wouldn't go far in court! LOL Would be interesting to see if this is a true story or not! LOL

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Pigsticker, if you were trying to be funny, I find know humor in it. Meth is not a joke, and don't particularily like having my user name attached to it in any manner.

Ammonia for cleaning, can be found houselhold form at most any store, in their cleaning supplies isle. Anhydrous Ammonia (which I imagine you are referring to) is the kind intended for fertilizer, and from what I understand is the form often stolen and abused in the production of meth.

Now that the chemistry lesson is done, I still beleive in my Scent clothing for the job I know it has performed, even in my won tests. I do not rely on it solely, and never would.....can never be too careful when bowhunting.

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Who needs scent blocker stuff anyway? All you need is a pile of corn and four blinds, one each to the N-S-E-W about 10 yards from it. Depending on the wind, sit in the right one and don't worry about scent and stuff like that! Ha! Just kidding guys! LOL

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You're treading on sacred ground there, bobkat!

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easy there iminrut,

just poking some fun at the subject, everything around here is always so serious. just chill, hence the evil winking eye at the end.


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