First Effort - Obama Gun Ban Recent Comments

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-03 09:46:52

posted by: eyexer. Here's another issue we gun owners better pay attention to. I have mentioned numerous times on here how these illegals posses forged documents that are amazing. And I know states that give them drivers licenses. According to this court case the feds fully expected this gun owner to racially profile this guy. Talk about irony.

In Federal District Court on July 20, 2010, the ATF won a conviction from an Austin jury that defies logic and reason. In a trial before Federal Judge Sam Sparks, government lawyers conceded Texas resident Paul Copeland did not know his buyer was an illegal alien, but the jury they should convict him anyway because he "had reasonable cause to believe" he was selling to an illegal alien because the two men and a boy who were present at his table at the time of the sale: 1) were Hispanic, 2) spoke Spanish, and 3) wore cowboy clothing. And the jury did as asked. Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Freel acted as lead prosecutor in the case.

The firearm transaction at issue occurred on January 16, 2010, at a gunshow at the North Austin Events Center, at 10601 N. Lamar Blvd., in Austin, Texas. Undercover ATF agents followed Mr. Huerta, his son, and another Hispanic male, Hipolito Aviles, around the "Texas Gunshow" that day, and claimed to observe Huerta’s transaction. Austin P.D. used Copeland’s case as the reason to close down the gunshow, leading to a protest by Austin residents in front of APD headquarters on January 25.

Mr. Copeland is a 56 year old Cedar Creek resident and Vietnam veteran who liked to buy, sell, and trade firearms as a hobby. On January 16, however, he had the misfortune to sell a handgun to Leonel Huerta Sr., who spoke both English and Spanish. Huerta Sr. negotiated his purchase from Copeland in English, showing Copeland his Texas Driver’s License. At Copeland’s trial Huerta admitted on the witness stand, that he is in the country illegally, (Huerta Sr. had previously admitted this fact to Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) Special Agent Leo Buentello). ATF Agent Shawn Kang claimed he saw Huerta later hand off the gun to Aviles. Despite these admissions, Huerta Sr. was never arrested, charged, or deported. Instead, his presence at the gunshow was used to entrap an American citizen into an unwitting violation of a federal gun control law. Huerta Sr., who is a resident of the City of Austin, appeared as a witness at the trial, admitted he was in the country illegally before federal prosecutors and a federal judge, yet he was allowed to leave the courtroom under his own power. To date Huerta Sr. has not been prosecuted for his purchase, possession, or disposition of the handgun he bought from Copeland, while Copeland is now a convicted felon.

"Instead of busting the illegal alien for buying, they bust the citizen for selling," commented Paul Velte, attorney and founder of Peaceable Texans for Firearms Rights, a gun-owners rights advocacy group from Austin. Velte asked, "who was in a better position to know the buyer’s immigration status, the buyer or the seller?" He also said, "What happened to Paul Copeland should enrage all Americans. The Federal Government is using illegal aliens to entrap citizens lawfully exercising their right to sell firearms. The illegal alien walks free, but the citizen gets convicted. The same government charged with controlling immigration is the one using illegal immigrants to attack its own citizens. Does this make any sense? It makes no sense unless the purpose is to discourage attendance at gunshows and frighten citizens from selling their firearms to other citizens."

Velte pointed out that "There is no way for a citizen to know who is here legally or not. In fact, under Austin’s ‘sanctuary city’ policy, not even the police officer at the door of the gunshow was allowed to ask a person’s immigration status, yet the average Texan inside the show is expected to assume that a person standing before them with a Texas driver’s license is in the country illegally just because they look Mexican and speak Spanish." Velte noted that the federal government’s lawsuit against Arizona was based on that very type of conduct: Concluding someone could be here illegally based on their looks or their language. Velte said gun owners in his group are outraged, and they want to know:

1. Why is the illegal alien who purchased the gun, Leonel Huerta Sr., still living in Austin?

2. Why does he still have a Texas Driver’s license?

3. Why is ATF using illegal aliens to set up and convict American citizens?

4. What has he been promised for his cooperation?

5. Why has he not been prosecuted? He committed three distinct crimes: he purchased a firearm knowing he was an illegal alien, he possessed the firearm, and he transferred the handgun to another illegal alien (Hippolito Aviles, who was convicted and given time served on June 30, 2010).

6. Why has Huerta Sr. not been deported?

Judge Sparks sentenced Copeland on August 27 to six months confinement and 24 months of probation, and called Copeland "a liar" for not admitting guilt. ATF confiscated Copeland’s entire gun collection and initiated forfeiture proceedings. Copeland was also fired from his job due to the indictment, and he would have lost his home to foreclosure, if not for his family stepping in to pay his mortgage while he serves his sentence.

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-03 08:04:59

posted by: gonefshn. Keep your money here. Buy a new American made one instead.

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 23:44:41

posted by: walkswithwhispers. Most of the stuff I get from the NRA is pretty lame but I thought this was hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MHpvTj86f0

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 23:29:04

posted by: walkswithwhispers. I'm glad they did this, and here's why:

The Takers have already shown that they are dilusional by asserting that guns create violence. They have further asserted their dillusions by thinking that making 300,000 guns unavailable to the public will even put a dent in the number of guns in the US.

300,000 guns is about .3 percent of all guns in the US. All they are doing is making it harder on themselves. For all of the furror that this will create in the public arena, is it really worth it for the socialists just so they can keep the number of guns from increasing by a fraction of a percent? Especially when gun sales are at an all time high? FOr each gun they keep out of our hands, it means 5 voters that will turn against them (probably an exagerated number but you get the point).

Just keep diggin your graves, dumbasses. See you in November!

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 22:38:30

posted by: simmsjs. Where is our favorite libertard Kaptain? I don't think we will hear from him anymore on this post.

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 20:58:03

posted by: eyexer. don't be we're used to it.

Goth Said:

eyexer Said:

Goth Said:

Kaptain Said:
Why not just be a real patriot and buy American-made guns? American manufacturers will welcome your business.

READ: knowledge will free your mind.......

(from the artical)........The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

you can't fix stupid.

I'm sorry

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 20:29:25

posted by: Goth.

eyexer Said:

Goth Said:

Kaptain Said:
Why not just be a real patriot and buy American-made guns? American manufacturers will welcome your business.

READ: knowledge will free your mind.......

(from the artical)........The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

you can't fix stupid.

I'm sorry

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 20:09:04

posted by: eyexer.

Goth Said:

Kaptain Said:
Why not just be a real patriot and buy American-made guns? American manufacturers will welcome your business.

READ: knowledge will free your mind.......

(from the artical)........The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

you can't fix stupid.

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 19:48:22

posted by: bait_em_up_bob. Yes, Americans bought those rifles to fight the war in Korea. Then we "gave" them to the Koreans. Now they're going to "sell" them back to us? Is that like sending money overseas? Or am I missing something? But yes it would be nice to be able to buy these. Korea should just box them up and send them back, we'll pay the shipping. Then our government could sell them to us, thereby recouping some of the intial cost to procure them in the first place. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh The more armed Americans we have, the safer our country.

re: First Effort - Obama Gun Ban

2010-09-02 19:32:54

posted by: mauserG33-40.

Goth Said:

Kaptain Said:
Why not just be a real patriot and buy American-made guns? American manufacturers will welcome your business.

READ: knowledge will free your mind.......

(from the artical)........The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

Kaplain the key words for you to understand are "The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March " The Obama administation lied again.