REALLY?

Of course. Bush's rating jumped up 8 points when Saddam was captured.

BringingTheRain Said:
Of course. Bush's rating jumped up 8 points when Saddam was captured.

That was Bush's strength! Obama's strength is running printing presses !Obama was vehemently opposed to water boarding. Water boarding is where they got the information to find Osama!

Thanks.

bullheadmaster Said:
Thanks.

Your welcome!

Perhaps this explains it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/266932/latest-ap-poll-sample-skews-democrats-17-points

I cannot believe that 60% of people are idiots!
I do not no one person who voted for this clown that would vote for him again!
This is the last chance at a future without riots. He CANNOT be reelected or we are ######!

I'm not saying I don't agree with you but....let me play devil's advocate for a second.
Number one, just because people don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they are idiots. If you want to change someone's mind about things like this, you probably shouldn't start out by calling them an idiot. Number two, I may just be an "idiot", or maybe a very very new to the whole politics thing kind of guy, but isn't it the congress and senate that are running this country and the president just says yes or not to the policies? And any policies that he comes up with have to go through the house and the senate? I thought the last elections turned things around and the senate is run by republicans. Again, not saying I don't agree. If I am wrong, tell me why, don't call me stupid or an idiot.  I just think blame should be placed where it belongs. At least Obama had the guts to pull the trigger on bin laden unlike Georgie poo.

Republicans control the house, the Democrats control the senate.  Tend to agree with you that the President tends to get too much blame/credit for most things going on in the country.  I don't think Bush would have hesitated to "pull the trigger" on Bin Laden if he would have had the chance!

Opie

The only thing I don't want to see for sure is all 3 branches again controlled by one party.  The R's blew it when they were in charge, and the D's really blew it!!!  Both have clearly shown us that neither one of them can be trusted by themselves with the cookie jar!!!

Cooter8128 Said:

I cannot believe that 60% of people are idiots!
I do not no one person who voted for this clown that would vote for him again!
This is the last chance at a future without riots. He CANNOT be reelected or we are ######!

I'm not saying I don't agree with you but....let me play devil's advocate for a second.
Number one, just because people don't agree with your opinion doesn't mean they are idiots. If you want to change someone's mind about things like this, you probably shouldn't start out by calling them an idiot. Number two, I may just be an "idiot", or maybe a very very new to the whole politics thing kind of guy, but isn't it the congress and senate that are running this country and the president just says yes or not to the policies? And any policies that he comes up with have to go through the house and the senate? I thought the last elections turned things around and the senate is run by republicans. Again, not saying I don't agree. If I am wrong, tell me why, don't call me stupid or an idiot.  I just think blame should be placed where it belongs. At least Obama had the guts to pull the trigger on bin laden unlike Georgie poo.

OK ,Sorry! Let us call them uneducated.
 The only way Obama got to pull the trigger because Bush instituted the policies that helped track the schmuck.
It was Obama and his minions that CRAMMED obama care down the throats of the helpless public. This one piece of legislation may be enough on its own to bankrupt the country. You tell me, was that smart?
It was the last Two years that Obama multiplied the mess we are in by added good money after bad. The house has made it tougher for him and the senate is deadlocked. He had a majority for two years. Now he won,t get his crap passed!

Cuba was fairly close and in the news a lot.  The Cubans were asking the same question!  Ike was president.
This past July, we had the pleasure of sharing a summer barbecue with a refugee from Cuba .  Our dinner conversation was starkly different than most.  This refugee came to the  United States as a young boy in the early
1960s.  His family was more fortunate than most as they were able to bring a suitcase and $100 when they fled Castro's newly formed revolutionary paradise. 

The lesson learned from this discussion is a lesson most Americans refuse to hear.  Political leaders can lie about their agenda and once in office they can take totally unexpected turns.
If you had asked us three years ago if we thought General Motors would be nationalized, we would have never believed it.  We could never contemplate a country where the rule of  law, the most fundamental
building block of a justice society would be evaporating just like it did in Castro's Cuba in the early 1960s.
But the news of injustice keeps increasing.  Black Panthers are not charged with wrongdoing by the U.S. Department of Justice because their crimes are against whites. The bondholders of GM are stripped of their assets without due process by the government.  Governmental leaders are bribed in full daylight only to have all investigation of the crimes stifled by the Attorney General.  The U.S. borders are overrun with crime and illegal activity and the leaders in D.C. act as
if it is important to protect the lawbreakers while the innocent are killed and overrun.  When local communities attempt to enforce the law, they are ridiculed and threatened as racists and bigots.  They
are sued by the very administration entrusted  with enforcing the law.
Without the rule of law the U.S. Constitution is a sham.  Without the rule of law our beloved America is swiftly becoming a country where only the well connected and politically powerful will be safe.  As
Michelle Malkin has so eloquently explained in her recent book, a culture of corruption has replaced honest government.
The only way this problem will be fixed is by massive citizen action.  All honest citizens that want to be treated equally must come together and demand that the favoritism, the bribes, the uneven enforcement of law end now.  And yes, it can happen here.
A year ago I made the statement that "I didn't believe the President knows what he is doing. My friend said "Oh yes he does"  Back then I didn't know what she meant.  Today I realize she was right.  He does know exactly what he is doing.

Uneducated  sounds......better? Obamacare...  ok idea, bad implementation. But come on. Bush would have pulled the trigger? Really? Tell that to the guys who were at Tora Bora.

Cooter8128 Said:
Uneducated  sounds......better? Obamacare...  ok idea, bad implementation. But come on. Bush would have pulled the trigger? Really? Tell that to the guys who were at Tora Bora.

How is obamacare a good idea?

A former Delta Force commander, using the pen name "Dalton Fury", who was present at Tora Bora has written that bin Laden escaped into Pakistan on or around December 16, 2001. Fury gives three reasons for why he believes bin Laden was able to escape: (1) the US mistakenly thought that Pakistan was effectively guarding the border area, (2) NATO allies refused to allow the use of air-dropped GATOR mines, which would have helped seal bin Laden and his forces inside the Tora Bora area, and (3) over-reliance on native Afghan military forces as the main force deployed against bin Laden and his fighters. Fury states that the Afghan forces would usually leave the battlefield in the evenings to break their Ramadan fasts, thereby allowing the al-Qaeda forces a chance to regroup, reposition, or escape.<sup>[6]




Bush would have blown up countrys to kill that jackpipe. His hands were tied more than any of us will ever know!</sup>

hopeandchangethis Said:

Cooter8128 Said:
Uneducated  sounds......better? Obamacare...  ok idea, bad implementation. But come on. Bush would have pulled the trigger? Really? Tell that to the guys who were at Tora Bora.

How is obamacare a good idea?

A former Delta Force commander, using the pen name "Dalton Fury", who was present at Tora Bora has written that bin Laden escaped into Pakistan on or around December 16, 2001. Fury gives three reasons for why he believes bin Laden was able to escape: (1) the US mistakenly thought that Pakistan was effectively guarding the border area, (2) NATO allies refused to allow the use of air-dropped GATOR mines, which would have helped seal bin Laden and his forces inside the Tora Bora area, and (3) over-reliance on native Afghan military forces as the main force deployed against bin Laden and his fighters. Fury states that the Afghan forces would usually leave the battlefield in the evenings to break their Ramadan fasts, thereby allowing the al-Qaeda forces a chance to regroup, reposition, or escape.<sup>[6]




Bush would have blown up countrys to kill that jackpipe. His hands were tied more than any of us will ever know!</sup>

You left out this part that immediately followed the paragraph you just posted.

Fury, in an interview on 60 Minutes, stated that his Delta Force team and CIA Paramilitary Officers traveled to Tora Bora after the CIA pinpointed bin Laden's location in that area. Fury's team proposed an operation in which they would assault bin Laden's suspected position from the rear, over the 14,000 foot high mountain separating Tora Bora from Pakistan. But, Fury's proposal was denied by unidentified officials at higher headquarters for unknown reasons. Fury then proposed the dropping of GATOR mines in the passes leading away from Tora Bora, but this was also denied. Forced to approach the al-Qaeda forces from the front, at one point Fury reports that his team was within 2,000 meters of bin Laden's suspected position, but withdrew because of uncertainty over the number of al-Qaeda fighters guarding bin Laden and a lack of support from allied Afghan troops.^[7]

Whether or not Bush had anything to do with that? Not sure. I heard it was Rumsfeld, but why didn't Bush step in?

Opie11 Said:
Perhaps this explains it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/266932/latest-ap-poll-sample-skews-democrats-17-points

Polls are like statistics.   Easy to manipulate.

Opie11 Said:
Perhaps this explains it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/266932/latest-ap-poll-sample-skews-democrats-17-points

Polls are like statistics.   Easy to manipulate.

Check this out.   Obama's a freaking phoney

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/

campcook,
Are you a regular viewer of "fractured fairy tales" as well?

 I thought you right fringers were over the gop sour grapes things in regard to the death of Osama Bin ladin.  Face it,   Bush passed at tora Bora and Obama made it happen.  Maybe I'm being too hard on Bush though. Perhaps he
 didn't want to cause problems since the  Bush's are family friends with the Bin ladins.   YOu know, just keeping good relations with old friends...... 

Here's what I am gathering from the "educated" people. If it rains too much, it's the Democrats fault, if it Snows too many months in the winter, it's the democrats fault, if the fish aren't biting, it's Obama's fault, If it floods, well, that is due to Obama's foreign policy, Drunk driver ran into my car...Obamacare and so on and so forth. I hate the direction that this country is going in just as much as the next guy, but I don't think that it can all be blamed on one person or party. I think it is a culmination of all the bad policies and decisions from the last 3 or 4 administrations that have put us into this bind that we are in. I hate politics, but I can not ignore it anymore. It is my civic duty to stay informed and make an "educated" vote at the polls whenever asked to do so. I agree with a lot of right wing ideas, but when they are presented to me in a way that sounds like an 8th grade school yard bully, it really turns me off to the whole line of thinking.