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Headhunter
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Question on Gut Shot Deer

If you put an arrow through the lower guts on a Whitetail....what are the odds of him being dead in the morning if you leave him alone?

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Very good. Typically, a deer or elk will need 8-12 hours on a gut shot. One thing that will help is that if the blood trail fades, go from the last blood you found and find the closest water source. 90% of all gut shot deer will be found near or on their way to a water source. Hope this helps. Have been there once before myself, and helped on 5 other occasions and found 5 out of 6 deer following the same rule of thumb I have stated.

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Ditto on Willhunt's post....BTW, Headhunter, do you need to spend more time at the practice range????

I know...I know...you never said you "shot one through the guts". Just giving you a hard time...take care.

PS: If in fact you did. Practice, Practice, Practice....oh, they do make a "pill" for Buck Fever. It is just REALLY expensive....;)!!!!!

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Stalked him in a rockpile, he jumped up (scared both of us) stopped at around 30 yards. Put my middle pin (got 3 sighted for 20,30 and 40) somewhere in the front shoulder....I say "somewhere" because I didn't pick a spot as I know he was about to bolt....I held in the front shoulder area and let go....thump. Thought to myself...That was a good shot. As I watched him go towards the creek about 15 minutes later I noticed a softball size "stain" in his lower guts. What an idiot. I thought it was a pretty good shot..Honestly don't know what happened.....ouch. thanks for the advice guys. Won't sleep well tonight. And yes he did go RIGHT FOR THE CREEK, then he dropped into the tall grass and I lost sight of him and left for home, trying not to disturb him. I hope he expired.HH

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Jiffy. Apparently a resounding YES on the practice range. I still don't know how the arrow wound up way back there..

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Did I mention I feel sickly.

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Was he quartering one way or the other?? You could very well have hit him in one lung and exited out the side you saw the guts. The exit wound is most likely the side the guts are hanging from anyway. Did you see the arrow, sticky gooey substance on a gut shot?? Defiantely the right call to wait till morning and go right away, no rain in the forecast, should be trackable.


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Headhunter,

Dont "beat yourself up"...it happens. Where are you from?? Do you need help tracking??

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After he was hit, was he hunched up? How fast was he moving? You said you still saw him 15 minutes later so I assume he was not moving too quickly.
Did you find your arrow, if so, did it smell? If you didn't find it, did you find any stomach/intestine contents where he was when you shot?

Just kinda wondering out loud if maybe you didn't gut shoot him and the "stain" was from another wound from your arrow? Either way, where ever you hit him, good temps tonight for him to "stove up" and good chance you will find him in the am (hopefully before the coyotes). Good Luck.

You can't aim a duck to death.

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HH,
Hope you find him, I know the feeling, been there, done that. Best advice I can give is get some intelligent help before you start looking. Someone who understands you are looking for blood and hair, not a dead deer. Two sets of eyes are better than one 10 fold.

Wish I was closer, I'd take a day vacation and help you, believe me, I know what you're feeling, good luck.

P.S.---Admitting that you made a less than desirable shot gives you a hell of an advantage although it might not seem like it. Take your time and look for sign, not a deer, and the sign will probably lead to a deer.

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HH, I also hit a big one bad last year. Your right when you say it will be tough to sleep tonight. Good luck in the morning,... same as what jiffy said, i dont have class tomorrow so if you need a hand, let me know where you are from.

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I had gut shot a whitetail buck in the SD blackhills a few years back,,,,

the buck was meandering around feeding and then started up the trail,,,

when I shot I didnt follow through,,, we were in the Nemo area,,I waited about a half hour and with a foot of snow I figured easy tracking,,

and with mountain cats in the area I did not want to wait ,,, after finding about 7 or 8 beds as he laid down and would go again,, I finally found him 2 hours later and finished him off,, that buck traveled nearly 2 miles

this was with a rifle not bow,,, it don't matter just leave them go a while ,, I pushed to find him and the buck would keep going ,,,If I would have let him go a few hours It would have been a lot easier..........

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As long as you dont push them, they wont go far.How far do you go after getting socked in the stomach??? Give them a few hours to lay down and "enjoy" death, and you should take your trophy, I hope to see pictures HH! good luck!

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I agree with holding off on the tracking. If you hit him that far back you may have clipped the liver along with the guts. If he was quartering away and not a pure broadside shot you may have clipped the guts, liver and maybe part of the lung. It would depend on how steep the angle was on the quartering away shot. Gut shot deer are recoverable. I shot one a couple of years ago and hit the liver/guts. I thought he'd traveled maybe 1.5-2 miles after being hit. I'd looked for him almost all the next day. The next day we got some snow and we found him. He went about a 1/4 mile and thats all. If he went into some tall grass he's probably not that far away laying dead. Looks like you've got good tracking weather. Take your time and don't get discouraged.

If you want to become a 'good' archer become the BOW, if you want to become a 'great' archer become the ARROW....  BYRON FERGUSON

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thanks fellas heading out now this morning. he was standing almost perfectly straight across from me when I shot. stevepike he run 1/2 mile to a creed and it took him about 15 to get there. Although he run pretty good at first then slowed. Last I saw him he was "stoved up" a little, walking a stiff gate, but still getting around good. Then he went in the creek/tall grass and his head disappeared so I couldn't see what he's doing.. Hopefully like you all said he layed down. Don't know, mabeye the arrow did go in towards the front then exit the "guts"...weird, found some specs of blood on the road , they were what I'd call "dark" blood, or pretty much resembeling my own I guess.. never found the arrow, will look again later. I'll check in tonight , thanks for the encouragement. HH

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good luck in the search today.


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HH, I'm available to help with the search if you don't find him this morning. Sounds like he was feely pretty sickly also. he'll be laying there somewhere.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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If not pushed a gut shot deer normally beds down before going very far. Hope HH finds him this morning.

Put down the gun and step away from the truck.

Its time to hunt!!

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Still wondering if he found him.....


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Yes and I would like to see a picture of the deer. If it is anything less than a doe, I would like to know why he didn't let a deer with good genes or good potential go! wink wink there HH. I hope you find him.

Hunt Hard, Hunt Ethically, but most importantly, HUNT SAFE!! 

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Just trying to raz HH and the trohpy hunting crowd a little. Just poking fun, not trying to start a big debate on the merits trohpy hunting. I think in all the forums devoted to deer hunting talk, we know where HH stands and has thick enough skin to be able to take a little ribbing.

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A suggestion on finding him. Burn the slough or creek bottom and where you smell burnt hair, that's where he is. LOL. Jsut kidding, obviously.

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Well did you find the deer? You know one might say you need to practice, but sometimes when the shot arises everyone has a tendancy to get excited. we have all had our bad shots, but if its a hit or your arrow connected, it sure is better than missing. Take your time and really look around. No one likes to go home without the animal you just shot. Take a buddy our two, the more eyes the better your chances are. I just finished my first year of bow hunting and can now say I have a new hobby. Tracking can seem endless at times but when you find your animal it pays off. Good luck and let us know.

Time wasted is time lost, lets do some huntin!!

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I believe it is HH's first deer with the bow.

We're all patiently waiting ;-) Kinda like we are waiting for his first born to be brought out, except like normal guys we are more interested in deer than someone elses baby ;-)

Hope you found him.

You can't aim a duck to death.

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I have been checking this forum all day, waiting for the results. You know with HH it is a big one so I am anxious to hear about it ;-}


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HH

Goodluck finding him. Let us know what happens.

Tim

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any news about this deer....maybe he found it and had ground shrinkage ;) looks big from afar but not so much when you get close up to it. That has happened to a few people i know including myself....i really hopes he finds what ever he shot small or big. Good Luck!!

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I shot a 140-145" 5x5 here the beginning of the month, and never did find him. Found the Arrow and it did smell and did have guts on it. I left him alone, visited about 10am the following morning. I am heading back up there this wkend, so hopefully now with all of the leaves gone should be able to see the white belly, or be able to smell it with the right wind. My old man shot a good non-typical here a few years back in the Pembina Gorge, and found him the following day after he had bedded up 13 times. Interesting to see how far animals will actually go when hit bad.

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Well i am new to all these forums and stuff but i just read this whole thing and I too Just have got to know did you find this deer or not. A friend of mine gut shot a deer last weekend got lucky though the arrow broke off inside and the broadhead bounced around in there putting him down pretty quick.

ANY DAY IN THE OUTDOORS IS BETTER THEN A WEEK IN THE OFFICE

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Went back yesterday morning, Walked to spot I last saw him. Found some tracks where he was getting a drink and wading through the water but no deer. Walked several hundered yards each direction up creek with bow ready. Nothing. Went home and got my dog (golden R) Walked it all again. Nothing. Walked all surrounding "suspicious" Rock piles/sloughs in a 1/2 mile area. Nothing. Then, went back and walked the whole creek again in case my dog missed something. Nothing. Wouldn't a dog almost 99% for sure smell a wounded deer, or dead one? Was out this morning too looking for "live" deer in the area, nothing. No Coyotes or Magpies anywhere. I haven't "given" up, but am going to Minot tomorrow and don't know what else to do....Any suggestions. My feeling is now, that perhaps he wasn't hit very fatal..?? Super low in the guts, right in the center. He jumped when I shot and I'm sure I "punched" the release to rush the shot but obviously that was a stupid move. NOW WHAT. Might burn my bow tag and my rifle tag. PS, WHY WOULD HE HAVE LEFT THAT AREA IF HE WAS SERIOUSLY HURT....MABEYE HE WASNT' HURT.? OH FOUND MY ARROW TOO TODAY, ALMOST NO BLOOD TO SPEAK OF AND SOME SORT OF DRIED LIQUID BUT IT DIDN'T STINK, JUST SMELLED LIKE DEER LIKE WHEN YOU SKIN THEM.

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Once again being I brought the dog , does that mean he's pretty much for sure not in there? of course I didn't see every chunk of ground, Its pure slough grass.....throught the whole creek. I relied on his nose the last time I walked it.

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Was it possible that you just braised his underside of his belly? At least you put up a vaiant effort in finding him.
I wouldn't burn the bow tag yet, you could still get a doe! (poke poke poke)

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There wasn't much of a blood trail i take it? Any blood?


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There was some blood (darker blood) at first where he crossed from one field into the other by crossing the road. This is the only place I saw blood. ( within seconds of the shot)...then he went a 1/2 mile, slowed down and walked to the creek. I investigated the next morning where I saw his tracks in the mud and there was no intestinal fluid or blood to be found around the mudhole. Then there were no further tracks along the creek either way in the mud. It appears , he went into the creek, took a break and a drink until dark, and then left the area. (?) There really is no trail to follow as his tracks/ direction basically disappear once he went into the creek/grass. So where do you go from here?

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The last time I saw him ( about 10 minutes after shot) I jumped in pickup and drove to a "high spot" and watched him with my spotting scope ( 1/4 mile away) and he had a stain or blotch on the bottom of his belly , just about dead center, 6 inches or so from the bottom of belly. Could he be good as can be or is he dead no matter what with any kind of gut shot. I get the impression he should have been dead by morning on most "normal" gut shots. But I could not find him anywhere close buy so I'm stumped as to where the heck to start looking ...? Follow the creek? all the way around the creek its just stubblefields and rockpiles and sloughs, no trees or brush. Very flat. main water source in the area is the creek , it runs 30 miles both ways.

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I would guess he is dead or close to it at this point. Did you walk through all the sloughs and cattails or just around them with the dog looking for scent? I don't think most dogs would follow an old trail like that unless trained too. Especially if they are used to chasing roosters.

I would guess he is either hunkered down in the cattails, possibly crawled in and under some real thick ones. How deep is the creek? The other possibility is he died in the creek and sank? I have heard of this happening on more than one occasion.

I would keep looking. DON'T burn your tag, if you find him, even if the meat is no good and you want the rack (which I assume you would) you will need it to legally keep the rack. Plus burning the tag would serve no purpose at this point.

I would suggest keep looking as much as you can in the creek and all the thick stuff (especially near water). Good Luck.

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If you could see blood halfway up his body and you found some darker blood, there is a good chance you caught the liver....and if you did, hes dead. Dark blood is usually liver, or can be some type of meat shot. But if you saw blood 6 inches up into him, you obviously didnt graze him, so that rules out the meat shot. Tough to say what to do next if you have covered the area well. How deep is the creek?? I hit a deer with a rifle one time in the same area you are talking about, he cut across the edge of a slough and we lost sight of him....to make long story short, we ended up findin him still barely alive in a tiny patch of rushes out in the slough...and he difinitly wasnt floating. There is a possibility he could have died in the creek. Drowned himself, just like them smart old greenheads! haha!

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I helped find two of dirty's gut shot deer last year, one died in the middle of the creek, the other half in half out, make sure you look the creek over good all you might see if the creek is deep is just a patch of hair or something sticking up in the creek

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good points on checking the water well. would the deer float after a few days..?? or just lay on the bottom? Guess I'll walk the creek further tomorrow,

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should float but not positive

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get your tree stand or whatever you use when bow hunting and get back out there. He aint dead. I dont think he is. You never know he might just walk right by one more time. You stick him or another one. You tried to find him its like an old girlfriend, time to move on. And hey when in the tree stand watch out for old ladies driving they might hit the tree and knock you out. They wont get in trouble though, cause their elderly. So watch your self.

Time wasted is time lost, lets do some huntin!!

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I hope he isn't dead. I just wish i knew either way . If a "normal" gutshot deer would have died in 12 hours....than he should be along the creek somewhere right? I'm gonna look further both directions tomorrow....If he's not there I'm going to assume he wasn't mortaly wounded and made it ...I guess. Wish me luck again. If I find anything I doubt he'll be in one piece.

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Keep your spirits up Headhunter! Hopefully you will catch up with your buck - if not, you gave it your best shot! If you don't find him - hopefully it wasn't a fatal wound and he will live to see another day...

Speaking of shots, my buddy scored on his first deer with a bow tonight! Way to go JBob!! A real nice 4x5 that will score around 140. 21.5 inside spread and lots of mass. Shot it over a bait pile at the edge of a food plot, for those who might wonder. So far this year the 3 of us who are hunting these setups have shot a 131, 152, and now this one! No complaints here! The big one is still out there - hopefully we can catch up to him in the next two months!!

Pat

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Thanks. I'm going magpie/coyote hunting tomorrow then I better get ready for Rifle season.