Pyrodex vs. Triple 7

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Pyrodex vs. Triple 7

What's the best powder to use for a Traditions Percussion rifle?  It's got a 24 inch barrel with a 1:48 twist.  I'm using a 275 grain Thompson Center Maxi Hunter conical lead bullet and the gun has open sights.

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try hornaday 250 gr. sst. with 100 gr. of magnum pellets 100 yds 1 in. group , 200 yds 3 in. group, 300 yds. 5 in. groups out of a t/c pro hunter. tryed many others best one i found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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Wee bit of different between a pro hunter and a percussion rifle. 

I use to use pyrodex in my old CVA percussion and it shot fine and took my lone deer so far with a muzzleloader with it.  Dirty as none other though...  second shots required powder down the nipple most of the time to get it to go off.

I have since bought some T7 to try as they say it's cleaner... haven't shot that gun in 7-8 years so I can't be of much help for you.

I wouldn't shoot much, if at all, if all I had was pryodex... just a PIA

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HH I have shot a lot of both.  I have three older Thompson Center and two newer inlines.  I have also had CVA.  I found the bore of CVA to be rougher and got fewer shots between cleaning.  Myself I also find Tripple 7 gives me fewer shots.  With the right lube I get up to 60 shots with Pyrodex.

Back in the early 1980's I took second place at the Levi Garret shoot with Pyrodex RS.  I was somewhat disappointed because I had two hangifires that cost me.  I talked to the people at Hodgdon and they suggested using Pyrodex P in my 50 cal Hawken, but reduce the load by 10%.  Three months later at the state shoot I took five out of six first place trophies and overall first place men's. 

I keep trying other powders, but keep coming back to the fine grain Pyrodex in my Hawken, Cherokee, and Patriot.  Most of my shooting is with the Hawken with a Green Mountain Barrel.  It has a slow 1/70 twist.  I get best accuracy after two fouling shots.  Also, I shoot roundball, Maxiballs, and the Maxihunters in my original Thompson Center 1/48 twist, all with Prodex P.   I do not get hangfires with Pyrodex P.

In my inlines I shoot Blackhorn209.

I hope this helps some.

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I like triple 7. I just shot my cva  off a couple wknds ago when I realized it was still loaded since last muzzleloader season

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BringingTheRain Said:
I like triple 7. I just shot my cva  off a couple wknds ago when I realized it was still loaded since last muzzleloader season

That's good.  Here is a trick the old hunters used.  Next time to find a wasp nest wait until winter so they don't sting you and take it.  Or put a bag over it now with an insecticide in it.  Then when you load your rifle take a pinch of the wasp nest and run it down on top of the powder.  It will make a barrier between the greasy patch or maxiball so it doesn't contaminate your powder.  I guess there is no problem if you shoot sabots.  Wasp nest does not start fires like paper or cotton between the powder and bullet.

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Plainsman Said:
That's good.  Here is a trick the old hunters used.  Next time to find a wasp nest wait until winter so they don't sting you and take it.  Or put a bag over it now with an insecticide in it.  Then when you load your rifle take a pinch of the wasp nest and run it down on top of the powder.  It will make a barrier between the greasy patch or maxiball so it doesn't contaminate your powder.  I guess there is no problem if you shoot sabots.  Wasp nest does not start fires like paper or cotton between the powder and bullet.

 There has got to be an easier way. Wasp nest? Really?

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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There has got to be an easier way. Wasp nest? Really?

 Yup.  Actually it's very easy.  I just carry a small amount in my possibles bag.  If your into tradition it's one of the old tricks.  Unlike paper or cotton it doesn't go out the end of the barrel burning and set the prairie on fire. 

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I've never tried round ball yet.  I got my first deer a couple years ago with a 185 grain Hornady Sabot with a 100 grains of Triple 7 at 144 yards.  I read in my owners manual that the conical lead bullets are suppose to be the best for my gun.  I like that they're already lubed with bore butter and alot easier to load than sabots.

I also have a CVA Wolf.  I use 200 grain T/C Shockwaves with a 120 grains of Blackhorn 209. 

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American Pioneer is what I've shot for about 7 or 8 years.

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Plainsman Said:

BringingTheRain Said:
I like triple 7. I just shot my cva  off a couple wknds ago when I realized it was still loaded since last muzzleloader season

That's good.  Here is a trick the old hunters used.  Next time to find a wasp nest wait until winter so they don't sting you and take it.  Or put a bag over it now with an insecticide in it.  Then when you load your rifle take a pinch of the wasp nest and run it down on top of the powder.  It will make a barrier between the greasy patch or maxiball so it doesn't contaminate your powder.  I guess there is no problem if you shoot sabots.  Wasp nest does not start fires like paper or cotton between the powder and bullet.

Last year my dads and my cva were loaded with 100 grains of triple 7 and a powerbelt bullet from Nov-April. Both shot no problem. my dads had been in the back seat of his pickup from the end of muzzle season to march. This year, both our guns were loaded from november til july. Both went boom. I've never had triple 7 not fire.