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Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy

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Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 7:48 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 Not sure why the story didn't transfer.  Here is the link
http://www.jamestownsun.com/event/article/id/153473/

Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 7:49 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I want to cry right now........

Double Lung em'

Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 7:51 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I pray to the lord they keep their fracking greedy hands off of this sacred land.
Teddy Roosevelt would roll over in his fracking grave.
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There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 7:52 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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odocoileus Said:
I pray to the lord they keep their fracking greedy hands off of this sacred land.
Teddy Roosevelt would roll over in his fracking grave.


Double Lung em'

Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 7:54 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 That's the way I feel as well!!!!   I have never hunted or spent much time in the ND Badlands but it seems to be all that we have left that resembles true open country........let's hope it can stay that way!
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 7:59 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 Sad.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

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Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 8:18 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
cy4676 Said:
 That's the way I feel as well!!!!   I have never hunted or spent much time in the ND Badlands but it seems to be all that we have left that resembles true open country........let's hope it can stay that way!

The more I think about this the more it erks me 

Instead of hope, we as outdoorsmen/outdoorwomen need to stand up to protect areas such as this. We need to voice our opinion to our state officials.If we do nothing, we will see this beautiful area destroyed.

So please do your part. If you love these areas of the badlands, then write a letter and send it out to members of the land board, governor, congressmen, senators, etc.
 I am currently working on a letter to send out. We need our voices heard.

I hate to sound like a tree hugging hippie, but would any of you think it would be worthwhile to start some sort of petition? I am willing to do anything in my power to protect these areas from being developed.Has anybody on here started a petition before? 

 

 

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 8:24 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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This is a good read. The wildlife society has been staying on top of this and is a great organization, I encourage all of you to join. There is an annual meeting coming up Feb 7-9.

Agenda for meeting

http://joomla.wildlife.org/NorthDakota/images/2012Conference/2012_agenda.pdf

Sage grouse, bighorn sheep habitat vs. oil wells

 
Sage grouse, bighorn sheep habitat vs. oil wells
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An advocate for North Dakota’s wildlife said it’s time for state agencies to quit working at cross purposes, with one trying to preserve habitat for sensitive species while another leases oil rights in the middle of the same habitat.

Mike McEnroe, who heads legislative matters for the state Wildlife Society chapter, said an example is the state Game and Fish Department’s work to conserve sage grouse habitat to keep the bird off the federal Endangered Species list at the same time the state Department of Trust Lands plans to lease minerals in the area.

He said the state needs a strategic plan to protect natural and other resources instead of rushing to lease as much land as it can as quickly as possible.

“We need to do it right instead of fast,” McEnroe said.

He’s asked the school lands board to withdraw state-owned minerals on several land parcels that are located in a sensitive area of the Little Missouri National Grasslands from its Feb. 7 lease auction.

On Wednesday, he added more tracts to the list. The same day, the Game and Fish Department offered its own, similar list of parcels for special consideration when the Board of University and School Lands meets Thursday.

Together, they’re asking the state to remove or consider removing 5,340 acres from 73,000 acres of state school land minerals scheduled for auction.

Gov. Jack Dalrymple said he’s open to the idea, but he said most of the acres that are up for lease have already been leased and are up again because they’ve expired.

One tract on both lists also  is in the grasslands, in prime range for bighorn sheep, a species the Game and Fish Department has been managing and nurturing for decades, and two more nearby are alongside the Little Missouri River.

Land Commissioner Lance Gaebe said two additional tracts Game and Fish wants considered for removal are in Golden Valley and Bowman counties in the same area where it, along with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, is striving to sustain habitat for sage grouse before its numbers decline to the point the bird has to be placed on the federal Endangered Species list.

Another five tracts on McEnroe’s “removal” list are in Mountrail County bordering the Lostwood National Wildlife Refuge. McEnroe said the tracts should be withheld until the state and the USFW can figure how to mitigate any impact.

McEnroe said his chapter submitted a wildlife report to state agencies earlier this month, recommending the state develop an overall plan for oil development and that state agencies start communicating with each other.

He said it’s difficult for the public to even identify sensitive school lands when, in this case, the auction consists of 73,000 acres and 15 pages of legal descriptions.

If nothing else, McEnroe said he hopes the right people will start talking.

Some good will come of this if we get a bigger discussion and awareness of it,” he said.



Read more: http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/sage-grouse-bighorn-sheep-habitat-vs-oil-wells/article_37f701a4-47b0-11e1-9383-0019bb2963f4.html#ixzz1kzyYelVB
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 8:30 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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odocoileus Said:
cy4676 Said:
 That's the way I feel as well!!!!   I have never hunted or spent much time in the ND Badlands but it seems to be all that we have left that resembles true open country........let's hope it can stay that way!

The more I think about this the more it erks me 

Instead of hope, we as outdoorsmen/outdoorwomen need to stand up to protect areas such as this. We need to voice our opinion to our state officials.If we do nothing, we will see this beautiful area destroyed.

So please do your part. If you love these areas of the badlands, then write a letter and send it out to members of the land board, governor, congressmen, senators, etc.
 I am currently working on a letter to send out. We need our voices heard.

I hate to sound like a tree hugging hippie, but would any of you think it would be worthwhile to start some sort of petition? I am willing to do anything in my power to protect these areas from being developed.Has anybody on here started a petition before? 

 

 

I have never started a petition but would be willing to sign one pertaining to this any day!  I am also writing a letter stating my opinion.  I think if they can get enough response from around the state about how everyone that lives in ND enjoys something that the Badlands does for them whether it be hunting or just the pure beauty of the untouched aspect of the land, they would get a feeling that it means something to the residents, outdoorsmen/women, hikers, etc., of the state.

Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 8:32 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
cy4676 Said:
 
odocoileus Said:
cy4676 Said:
 That's the way I feel as well!!!!   I have never hunted or spent much time in the ND Badlands but it seems to be all that we have left that resembles true open country........let's hope it can stay that way!

The more I think about this the more it erks me 

Instead of hope, we as outdoorsmen/outdoorwomen need to stand up to protect areas such as this. We need to voice our opinion to our state officials.If we do nothing, we will see this beautiful area destroyed.

So please do your part. If you love these areas of the badlands, then write a letter and send it out to members of the land board, governor, congressmen, senators, etc.
 I am currently working on a letter to send out. We need our voices heard.

I hate to sound like a tree hugging hippie, but would any of you think it would be worthwhile to start some sort of petition? I am willing to do anything in my power to protect these areas from being developed.Has anybody on here started a petition before? 

 

 

I have never started a petition but would be willing to sign one pertaining to this any day!  I am also writing a letter stating my opinion.  I think if they can get enough response from around the state about how everyone that lives in ND enjoys something that the Badlands does for them whether it be hunting or just the pure beauty of the untouched aspect of the land, they would get a feeling that it means something to the residents, outdoorsmen/women, hikers, etc., of the state.



A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 8:38 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dont forget about the pronghorns, I heard from G&F biologists that the pronghorn population is not adjusting to the oil traffic very well and that we could see low numbers or even a total population death
-Team Flightstoppers ND
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 8:52 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Seems like just yesteryear that people were on here whining about road closures and wilderness designations in the grasslands.

Maybe some of those who knocked the habitat fund coming from oil revenues would rethink their opposition to an oil sponsored habitat improvement fund. Pretty sure the federal agencies (USFWS, USFS, BLM, and the Corps) would love for some State "partners" to have funds available to costshare habitat projects. Lot of times the money has been available from the feds but no local partner has had the cash to help out, so we get a big fat nothing.
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 9:01 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Who should one write a letter to?  The governor?

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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by on 01/30/2012 9:08 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The NDGF was one of the biggest advocates against road closures.  Something to keep in mind when we want to confuse the two.

If a free for all happens in the heart of the grasslands one would have to chuckle at the Forest Service (federal government).

If anything, thank goodness it is fracking and not straight horizontal drilling or absolutely nothin would be left.

Definitely somethin to get motivated behind.  I'd say start with the NDGF for contact gg end then start aiming the letters.  I'll ink mine as well.  Tough to stop it but sure can control it a bit with some public input.




 
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Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 9:31 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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odocoileus Said:
I pray to the lord they keep their fracking greedy hands off of this sacred land.
Teddy Roosevelt would roll over in his fracking grave.
and then he would drive up to the pump and fill up his truck....all the while forgetting where the fuel came from 

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Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 9:50 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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cynical Said:
odocoileus Said:
I pray to the lord they keep their fracking greedy hands off of this sacred land.
Teddy Roosevelt would roll over in his fracking grave.
and then he would drive up to the pump and fill up his truck....all the while forgetting where the fuel came from 


Where the fuel came from?? Well it certainly didnt come from North Dakota, thats for sure!!

Thats not even the point. The point is that there needs to be some areas that should remain undisturbed. We know there is oil in North Dakota, but there does not need to be a fracking oil well every quarter section across western north dakota for fracks sake.

I don't get the attitude of lets get it all, and lets get it all now, that seems to have taken over the "wild west" of North Dakota. 

This boom is going way too fast. Too fast that we do not even realize how fast it is going, and how it is affecting our state (besides the money).  

I am not against all oil development, but I am certainly against development in these areas.


A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. - Unlce Ted

 
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by on 01/30/2012 10:28 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
To hell with it.  A quick look at the map shows the the areas in question can be drilled via private land, or worst case from a county road.  If they could stipulate their will be no surface disturbance, that would go a long way in my book.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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by on 01/30/2012 10:48 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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"If anything, thank goodness it is fracking and not straight horizontal drilling or absolutely nothin would be left."

I do not understand this statement, care to clarify...
Re: Priceless Public ND Land in Jeapordy
by on 01/30/2012 10:54 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Wormwiggler, i think tim has gotten his directions mixed up. He is thinking of the spacing that would be required on vertical wells over something as large and uniform as the bakken.



In reality, that is not a concern Tim, as without horizontal drilling there would be no development.

WW, aren't you a directional driller? Seems to me I recall reading that once, if so it must be keeping you plenty busy!
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by on 01/30/2012 10:56 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
 
Allen Said:
Seems like just yesteryear that people were on here whining about road closures and wilderness designations in the grasslands.

Maybe some of those who knocked the habitat fund coming from oil revenues would rethink their opposition to an oil sponsored habitat improvement fund. Pretty sure the federal agencies (USFWS, USFS, BLM, and the Corps) would love for some State "partners" to have funds available to costshare habitat projects. Lot of times the money has been available from the feds but no local partner has had the cash to help out, so we get a big fat nothing.
Habitat wont do diddly with roads crisscrossing it all over.

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