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Last year I hunted some land that was posted by the land owner.  I had permission.  The problem was the land owner allowed others to hunt the land as well.  This year I am leasing said land exclusively.  I am afraid if I simply post it with the land owner's name,  people will assume they have the same permission to the property as last year.

I am wondering if I should put up, "Leased Land" signs.

Anyone out there ever deal with this scenario?

Bottom line is I need to communicate that things have changed.  I'm just not sure a standard "Posted" sign will do.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

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 So you've taken away opportunity from others and want to make sure they know they're no longer welcome?

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Sounds like a problem......I would just hire a security guard. 

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The land owner by allowing the lease of HIS land could be to blame for taking the oportunity away.  Boy that guy must be an asshole for leasing HIS land. 

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If more people were courteous, respectful and honest things may have never gotten to the point where there would be a need for leasing hunting land; but alas it tis the world that we live in. I don't think we should belittle anyone for leasing hunting rights, how is it any different than paying to go on a guided hunt? The answer to the oringinal posters question: use a differnet style poster than thee landowner had used and post your name, telephone number and address as you are now the legal poster of the land.

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Well, it was a complete mess out there last year.  We had guys busting hunts for others who had set up food plots and hung stands.  Eventually the right hand didn't know what the left hand was doing.  The land owner was completely shocked that so many people were on his land.  I think it was one of those deals where a friend gave a friend who gave a friend permission to the property.  My heart is not to squelch folk's right or even ability to hunt.  I am just trying to safeguard that the 80 acres is being hunted by those doing all the leg work in making it huntable and desirable to the wildlife that resides there.

It's almost to the place where it's a posted PLOTS land.

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We own and lease about the same amount of land, and we only put our name on the posted signs. We might be in a different boat than you because the owners don't hunt and have given us the rights to be able to post it, but I would ask the land owner if you can put your name on it so people call you to hunt.

Just to clarify things that is why we post our land, so we know when people are on it. We like to know who is on the land so if there is a mess or something we know who is was. Yes, we say no to people, mainly on opening weekends and where we have our bow hunting blinds set up prior to gun season, but that doesn't mean we never let people hunt.

 

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Drmark Said:
Last year I hunted some land that was posted by the land owner.  I had permission.  The problem was the land owner allowed others to hunt the land as well.  This year I am leasing said land exclusively.  I am afraid if I simply post it with the land owner's name,  people will assume they have the same permission to the property as last year.

I am wondering if I should put up, "Leased Land" signs.

Anyone out there ever deal with this scenario?

Bottom line is I need to communicate that things have changed.  I'm just not sure a standard "Posted" sign will do.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Mark

Sorry man, all your going to do is start a fire on this site asking a question like that.  My family owns a fare share of land, and we are very anti leasing.  Controlling is one thing, but being greedy is altogether something different.  Hunt clubs and land leasing is the kiss of death to hunting as we know it. 

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 The problem was the land owner allowed others to hunt the land as well.  This year I am leasing said land exclusively.  I am afraid if I simply post it with the land owner's name,  people will assume they have the same permission to the property as last year.

As far as a sign goes here's all you really need to consider.  If a person or group of people approach the landowner you've leased from and offer him more $$ than you're willing to spend next year, what sort of sign will it take to keep you out? 

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 The problem was the land owner allowed others to hunt the land as well.  This year I am leasing said land exclusively.  I am afraid if I simply post it with the land owner's name,  people will assume they have the same permission to the property as last year.

As far as a sign goes here's all you really need to consider.  If a person or group of people approach the landowner you've leased from and offer him more $$ than you're willing to spend next year, what sort of sign will it take to keep you out? 

And as far as my earlier comment goes, my family's land is all for farming and ranching with the added bonus of hunting. So leasing land just for hunting purposes is a slippery slope. Someone always has more money...

 

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I say post it with your name on the sign, I think that's legal if you are leasing it with exclusive hunting rights written into the lease agreement (let me know if Im wrong). Then people will see the name has changed and hopefully not trespass. Also change the signs to a different color or something, that should get their attention. If that fails you could put up razor wire instead of barbed wire!

 

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Sorry man, all your going to do is start a fire on this site asking a question like that.  My family owns a fare share of land, and we are very anti leasing.  Controlling is one thing, but being greedy is altogether something different.  Hunt clubs and land leasing is the kiss of death to hunting as we know it. 

I think they key to your comment is that your family "owns a fair share of land."  For those of us who are not fortunate enough to grow up in family farms or situations where our family owns a lot of land land, leasing is the only way to guarantee a quality hunt.  I think this is especially true for people who use the land for bowhunting, like I do.  Scent control and heavy traffic are things that can ruin a bowhunting spot; things you cannot control if 20 other guys are coming out there every week.  In the eastern part of the State, the PLOTS get hit really hard and the non-posted private land is becoming harder to find.  I don't mind sharing property with a few other people, but I can absolutely understand where Drmark is coming from. 
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Dmark, you need to have your name and the owners name. lessor, and lesse.  Have fun abd keep the magpies out.

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If you lease the hunting rights you have full control of access other than the landowner  doing his or her day to day activities, and utility workers i.e. electric coop. Stipulations can change dependent on term of said contract, but in general that is how most hunting leases read.

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Oh boy, you may as well go into the bait business; a can of worms has just been opened.

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Sorry man, all your going to do is start a fire on this site asking a question like that.  My family owns a fare share of land, and we are very anti leasing.  Controlling is one thing, but being greedy is altogether something different.  Hunt clubs and land leasing is the kiss of death to hunting as we know it. 

I think they key to your comment is that your family "owns a fair share of land."  For those of us who are not fortunate enough to grow up in family farms or situations where our family owns a lot of land land, leasing is the only way to guarantee a quality hunt.  I think this is especially true for people who use the land for bowhunting, like I do.  Scent control and heavy traffic are things that can ruin a bowhunting spot; things you cannot control if 20 other guys are coming out there every week.  In the eastern part of the State, the PLOTS get hit really hard and the non-posted private land is becoming harder to find.  I don't mind sharing property with a few other people, but I can absolutely understand where Drmark is coming from. 

I know where your coming from, but I disagree.  I've had the privelage of taking a lot of quality deer in the 14 or so years I've hunted.  I actually have a hand full of deer in the 160 to 180 class.  You may not believe it, but I haven't taken any of these deer on our land.  Every one of them came off public land, or private land that I and several other had permission to hunt on.  So to tell me a quality hunt cannot come off land that isn't "sealed", I won't buy it. 

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Many of the same people that get their panties in bunch over hunting leases see nothing wrong with going on guided hunt elsewhere as if outfitters don't have any leased land. My family is involved in a small hunting lease and we rarely ever turn away a bird hunter, and have turned away about 1/2 deer hunters which really isn't all that bad considering the owner turned away about 90% of the hunters who asked permission previeous to our lease.

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Fisherman25 u sound very lucky to me. In some areas of the state u would be lucky to find ANY suitable habitat that isn't posted. The land left unposted is barren and the few parcels of state owned land is trampled relentlessly, so just keep in mind not every situation is the same as yours!

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I have taken a couple of big Muleys in the Killdeer mountians and it was all public land, the land owners RARELY let anyone on. Its perfectly do able and you dont have to be grilled by a grumpy old rancher.

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I have taken a couple of big Muleys in the Killdeer mountians and it was all public land, the land owners RARELY let anyone on. Its perfectly do able and you dont have to be grilled by a grumpy old rancher.

I think that's great and have had a rare few opportunitites to take adavantage of all the public hunting land in the western half of the State.  However, things are quite different in the eastern half of the State.  I will say that my best deer was taken on public land with a rifle.  There's absolutely no way I would've been able to take that deer with a bow on public land.

It's amazing how quickly this topic has changed course!  Sorry Drmark.

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I got asked to go in on a lease about 2 years ago and almost did knowing the country and type of deer around there (its kind of a honey hole), but it went against everything i have ever believed in as far as paying to hunt. Why, i still wonder sometimes seeing those guys constant 160+ trail cam pics haha.

Anyways what those guys ran into was a similar deal and they got the permission in their lease to post the land with their name and number. anyone that comes to the ranch asking to hunt, the rancher tells them that he leased the land out and the leesses have full control of who goes on the land. It has taken a couple years for them to get everything straightened out and it pissed off a few neighbors etc. that used to hunt the land a lot. but the rancher does a good job of keeping people off the land when they aren't around, so it worked for them but it definately took a couple years for people to adjust.  

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So...why are you "Briguy2" and "DrMark"?

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I don't see why people get mad about posted land, if some owns or leases the land, they should have the right to post it and not let others in the property if they don't want to. This year I am posting all of are land because I simply don't want other people hunting on are land, if they want land to hunt they can go to plots or other public land. Im not going to scout all summer just to have someone else go and shoot the deer I am after first day of the season.

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talk to the landowner and see what he wants you to do.  but, my guess is he will tell you to put your name and number on it.  you posted it and lease it, you should be the person to talk to to get permission.  perfectly legal.  no need for any special signs.  just make sure your name and number a legible.  and i am sure the last thing the owner wants is to have to answer a bunch of calls only to tell them to call you. 

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exactly... the landowner probably doesn't want to be your receptionist

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I dont think a hunting lease and paying to hunt are the same scenario the hunting leases that i have seen are fairly similar to farm leases where it is the responsibility of the renter to take care of the ground and do with as outlined in the agreement. Whether you own the land you hunt on or lease it there is really no significant difference as you have a place to hunt but with a lease a person can obviously lose the land once the lease expires.

Talk to the land owner they should be able to tell you what they want to do. I know the hunting land that i hunt on isnt owned by me personally but the person who does own it just tells whoever calls for permission to talk to us because we are the ones who hunt it and take care of it.

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So...why are you "Briguy2" and "DrMark"?

I'm "Briguy2" because my name is Brian and some of my friends call me Bri-guy.  When fishingbuddy chagned formats, I couldn't get my old account (Bri-guy) to come up, so I made a new one.  Kind of a weird question?...

Drmark, I would put something in your lease stating you have the sole right to allow hunting access to the property.  That will make sure things are straight between you and the landowner. 

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Signing the posted signs with your name and putting up about 3-4 times more signs than legally necessary should help get your point across. You could also turn some of the signs around and write a message on the back of them in huge writing and than post them directly under the actual posted signs. No one can resist reading a message.

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You should supplement your posted sign with signs that read:

"Go on, get out of here.  Don't even look over here."

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Sorry man, all your going to do is start a fire on this site asking a question like that.  My family owns a fare share of land, and we are very anti leasing.  Controlling is one thing, but being greedy is altogether something different.  Hunt clubs and land leasing is the kiss of death to hunting as we know it. 

I agree.  If you really want to create resentment among other hunters lease the land and keep it for yourself.

My uncle had legal problems some years back and asked "a friend" to help him out of a tight spot by buying the land for a dollar and getting it out of his name for obvious reasons.  The "friend"  did it on one condition that he and his family would have sole hunting rights until his death or something like that.  Just a verbal agreement I believe.

I hunted there every year for as long as I can remember.  Then all of a sudden there were blinds on poles everywhere.  Talked to the braindead nonhunter uncle and he told me what he had done.  No other experience in hunting compares to the helpless feeling you get when your family's land is governed by outsiders.  It is the best deer hunting land our family has...had.  My grandfather would roll in his grave if he knew all of the crap his son has done since his death.


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One other thing you need to consider is who is going to pay for the additional liablity insurance? Are you going to carry it or is the landowner to cover any injuries that may occur or damage from a stray bullet leaving the property. As it sits now even though it is posted the landowner is immune.

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I don't agree with land leasing for hunting for one reason,  the landowner does not own the animals and should not be allowed to lease the sole rights to kill them. 

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I don't agree with land leasing for hunting for one reason,  the landowner does not own the animals and should not be allowed to lease the sole rights to kill them. 

So you think everyone and anyone should be allowed to trample through someones personal property?

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It's amazing how everyone is pro landowner's rights, until it comes to the issue of landowners posting land or allowing someone else to post it.

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I don't agree with land leasing for hunting for one reason,  the landowner does not own the animals and should not be allowed to lease the sole rights to kill them. 

So you think everyone and anyone should be allowed to trample through someones personal property?

Did I say that?  You should take a good look at your avatar...

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It's amazing how everyone is pro landowner's rights, until it comes to the issue of landowners posting land or allowing someone else to post it.

I agree.  I was just thinking about how some of the most conservative and/or libertarian people on here are on the complete opposite end of that spectrum when it comes to hunting access. 

I don't see the difference between a landowner posting his own land and hunting it himself, or renting that right to another person.  That's essentially what we're talking about.  No one would deny the landowner has a right to keep his land for himself; why is that any different with a leaseholder?

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It's amazing how everyone is pro landowner's rights, until it comes to the issue of landowners posting land or allowing someone else to post it.

I agree.  I was just thinking about how some of the most conservative and/or libertarian people on here are on the complete opposite end of that spectrum when it comes to hunting access. 

I don't see the difference between a landowner posting his own land and hunting it himself, or renting that right to another person.  That's essentially what we're talking about.  No one would deny the landowner has a right to keep his land for himself; why is that any different with a leaseholder?

The difference is that the animals are being sold for money then that aren't owned by anyone.

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Enslow, no animals are being bought and sold. It is strictly access that is being "bought".  The way many of you feel on this subject leads me to believe that you think that no one should have any control over access to private property. Maybe next time I need something to eat or a place to sleep when I am in Fargo I will just waltz into someones apartment and make myself at home.....

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Maybe next time I need something to eat or a place to sleep when I am in Fargo I will just waltz into someones apartment and make myself at home.....

Last dude that tried that in Moorhead ended up on the wrong end of a bbl full of buckshot.  You're welcome to go ahead and see how it works out for you though.

Posting your own land, no problem.  Post your own land, hunt a bunch of public ground around it, still no problem, it's just a benefit you get for having land adjacent to public.  You wanna post your own and guide on it, have at it, it's yours.

Lease hunting rights to property, problem.  Now you're selling a public resource.  Oh you can mince words and say that you're only leasing "access".  To that I say Horsesh!t as no one wants to lease "access" it unless there's critters on it.

This isn't a sour grapes deal for me.  I could afford to lease land, however, I choose not to.  I could afford to hunt with a guide, however, I choose not to.  I may someday purchase my own parcel of land, and I will likely be very restrictive of access.  Those who are allowed on however won't pay or lease that access.

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Maybe next time I need something to eat or a place to sleep when I am in Fargo I will just waltz into someones apartment and make myself at home.....

Last dude that tried that in Moorhead ended up on the wrong end of a bbl full of buckshot.  You're welcome to go ahead and see how it works out for you though.

Posting your own land, no problem.  Post your own land, hunt a bunch of public ground around it, still no problem, it's just a benefit you get for having land adjacent to public.  You wanna post your own and guide on it, have at it, it's yours.

Lease hunting rights to property, problem.  Now you're selling a public resource.  Oh you can mince words and say that you're only leasing "access".  To that I say Horsesh!t as no one wants to lease "access" it unless there's critters on it.

This isn't a sour grapes deal for me.  I could afford to lease land, however, I choose not to.  I could afford to hunt with a guide, however, I choose not to.  I may someday purchase my own parcel of land, and I will likely be very restrictive of access.  Those who are allowed on however won't pay or lease that access.

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Enslow Said:

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I don't agree with land leasing for hunting for one reason,  the landowner does not own the animals and should not be allowed to lease the sole rights to kill them. 

So you think everyone and anyone should be allowed to trample through someones personal property?

Did I say that?  You should take a good look at your avatar...

I was confused by what you were actually trying to say since everyone realizes that no one owns the animals, i figured you were trying to get at something else. Unless people are leasing land in order to put up high fences and trap the animals inside those fences, than no one leases land for 'sole right to kill' those animals. People lease land for 'hunting rights' not killing rights. I guess I wasn't aware that you were guaranteed a kill when you hunt fair chase.

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It's amazing how everyone is pro landowner's rights, until it comes to the issue of landowners posting land or allowing someone else to post it.

I agree.  I was just thinking about how some of the most conservative and/or libertarian people on here are on the complete opposite end of that spectrum when it comes to hunting access. 

I don't see the difference between a landowner posting his own land and hunting it himself, or renting that right to another person.  That's essentially what we're talking about.  No one would deny the landowner has a right to keep his land for himself; why is that any different with a leaseholder?

The difference is that the animals are being sold for money then that aren't owned by anyone.

1oo% Wrong. Bri is right.

"I don't see the difference between a landowner posting his own land and hunting it himself, or renting that right to another person.  That's essentially what we're talking about.  No one would deny the landowner has a right to keep his land for himself; why is that any different with a leaseholder?"

Fair chase hunting is fair chase hunting whether you lease land to hunt, post your own land, hunt public land, or pay an outfitter to guide.

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Enslow, no animals are being bought and sold. It is strictly access that is being "bought".  The way many of you feel on this subject leads me to believe that you think that no one should have any control over access to private property. Maybe next time I need something to eat or a place to sleep when I am in Fargo I will just waltz into someones apartment and make myself at home.....

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Maybe next time I need something to eat or a place to sleep when I am in Fargo I will just waltz into someones apartment and make myself at home.....

Last dude that tried that in Moorhead ended up on the wrong end of a bbl full of buckshot.  You're welcome to go ahead and see how it works out for you though.

Posting your own land, no problem.  Post your own land, hunt a bunch of public ground around it, still no problem, it's just a benefit you get for having land adjacent to public.  You wanna post your own and guide on it, have at it, it's yours.

Lease hunting rights to property, problem.  Now you're selling a public resource.  Oh you can mince words and say that you're only leasing "access".  To that I say Horsesh!t as no one wants to lease "access" it unless there's critters on it.

This isn't a sour grapes deal for me.  I could afford to lease land, however, I choose not to.  I could afford to hunt with a guide, however, I choose not to.  I may someday purchase my own parcel of land, and I will likely be very restrictive of access.  Those who are allowed on however won't pay or lease that access.

Thanks Horsager.. You said what a lot of us average Joe's are thinking. Just a lot more elliquite. and for the record I hope our state always keeps the poster rule. If they dont want you in they will post it. Believe me! otherwise they are retired farmers that dont bother putting up the piece of paper and  wouldn't mind someone stopping by to say hello after a succesfull hunt


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Maybe next time I need something to eat or a place to sleep when I am in Fargo I will just waltz into someones apartment and make myself at home.....

Last dude that tried that in Moorhead ended up on the wrong end of a bbl full of buckshot.  You're welcome to go ahead and see how it works out for you though.

Posting your own land, no problem.  Post your own land, hunt a bunch of public ground around it, still no problem, it's just a benefit you get for having land adjacent to public.  You wanna post your own and guide on it, have at it, it's yours.

Lease hunting rights to property, problem.  Now you're selling a public resource.  Oh you can mince words and say that you're only leasing "access".  To that I say Horsesh!t as no one wants to lease "access" it unless there's critters on it.

This isn't a sour grapes deal for me.  I could afford to lease land, however, I choose not to.  I could afford to hunt with a guide, however, I choose not to.  I may someday purchase my own parcel of land, and I will likely be very restrictive of access.  Those who are allowed on however won't pay or lease that access.

Not necessarily. I can think of a few guys that leased land which held virtually no deer in the last 10-20 years...... just to plant food plots/ mineral sites and cut trails. Now they have created a deer haven. Nothing wrong with that at all....they took and turd and turned it into a gem. Do those people that took the initiative to create that gem deserve the right to hunt that land before anyone else? You're damn right they do.

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As i own and lease land to farm and ranch on i think the land ower should have the right to what they want with there land on the hunting or fishing subject. We post all of our owned land and most of our leased land some of it the landlord wants to do it himself and have control over it witch is find with me as long as i can hunt(one landlord lets us hunt everything besides deer because he is handy cap, thats alright with me because i have asked during deer season if i could hunt on his land and offered to help him out with getting his deer and he has never turned me down). All though 3 years ago i rented some land that the bank and taken back from a guy that was going bankrupt and i was told buy the bank that they owned it and i had all the rights(hunting) and when hunting seasoned opened they guy that was going bankrupt posted all the land and threw a holy hell fit that i wanted to go hunting, so i just told him that i wouldn't hunt it, then i shot a nice buck on our owned land witch i wounded ran on too his when i went and asked if i could go get it he said ya but with NO GUNS, after 4 hours off chasing him towards land where i could shoot and kill him(thats right had to chase off and call to tell someone to bring my gun) i finally got him but every second of them 4 hours i was watched by him. Now this ticked me off and top it off he had to come check witch deer it was.

    I think the land lord should have hunting rights and posting rights but not if your loosing your land a the bank owns it.

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Alls i can say is its freakin sicking when i got hunting  (and i only hunt with my bow) and every damn place in the state is posted  and to make thing worse there is never any contact numbers on the signs so im left finding some rinky dink ditch to sit in and well.............  it just get frusratingi knkow people are going to say well hunt  wma's well i do that but so do the guys with all the land to they comein kill then go to there land well i guess thats mainly rifles that scenerio anyhow          just my opinion

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Horsager Said:
  Lease hunting rights to property, problem.  Now you're selling a public resource.  Oh you can mince words and say that you're only leasing "access".  To that I say Horsesh!t as no one wants to lease "access" it unless there's critters on it.

How is private property a "public resource?"  There is absolutely nothing public about private property.  How is the nature of that property any different when it is posted by the landowner, or posted by someone who purchased the hunting rights to that property from the landowner?  Either way, you have no right to hunt on that property.   

When you get down to it, no one has a right to that land except the landowner.  He should be allowed to do whatever he wants with his land and his right to access and hunt that land; including selling that right to someone else.  It is not public land and it is not a public resource. 

Is the oil underneath that land a public resource?  Are the crops growing on that land a public resource?  Why is it somehow different when we're talking about hunting access or the right to harvest game on that land?  These are all rights held by the landowner, and that landowner can choose to lease his right to drill oil, or farm the land, or hunt to anyone he wants. 

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