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Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota

Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/06/2012 8:48 PM | Reply #81 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/06/2012 9:39 PM | Reply #82 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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svnmag Said:
I would vote NO on M2 to keep pot illegal.  Useless shiite/useless humans.  If it were legal, WhoTF would work for anything but weed:  The Chinese?  WTFE, we're already there. 

Might be useless to some people but to others it is usefull or at least from what I read it appears to be in the medical industry.      should be illegal just because some people have no use for it ?  the abusers will abuse no matter what happens with this bill.    I am thinking this willhave more affect on the people that won't use  illegal drugs even if they could get some ,        I doubt that it will have much  affect on the abusers that have  and will continue to get it no matter what it takes. 
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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/06/2012 10:20 PM | Reply #83 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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this thread reeks of ignorance and closed mindedness.

especially from the anti crowd.
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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/06/2012 11:07 PM | Reply #84 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 Having grown up in the meth-craze era in western ND history, I see absolutely nothing wrong with marijuana.  Why can't North Dakota be the state that breaks the ground for states rights?  Let's take on the EPA for our oil industry, the NCAA for our rights and Washington for hemp and medical marijuana!
 
Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/06/2012 11:23 PM | Reply #85 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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El Superbeasto Said:
 Having grown up in the meth-craze era in western ND history, I see absolutely nothing wrong with marijuana.  Why can't North Dakota be the state that breaks the ground for states rights?  Let's take on the EPA for our oil industry, the NCAA for our rights and Washington for hemp and medical marijuana!
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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 00:33 AM | Reply #86 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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espringers Said:

u mean sue the state like for allowing pop to be sold and knowing i causes diabetes, or trans fats, or beer, or cigarettes, or any number of other things... the state has no liability in this scenario. 

MM is a drug, as such is under the purview of the FDA.  The FDA is already involved, they've listed MJ as a "Schedule I" controlled substance.  States allowing federal law to be superseded and allowing MM to be sold and distributed sans any FDA involvement most certainly does make the state liable should someone link or attempt to link health issues to MM use.

If MM is such a great option, then why not take the steps necessary to have MM approved by the FSA?

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 01:00 AM | Reply #87 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Horsager Said:
 
espringers Said:

u mean sue the state like for allowing pop to be sold and knowing i causes diabetes, or trans fats, or beer, or cigarettes, or any number of other things... the state has no liability in this scenario. 

MM is a drug, as such is under the purview of the FDA.  The FDA is already involved, they've listed MJ as a "Schedule I" controlled substance.  States allowing federal law to be superseded and allowing MM to be sold and distributed sans any FDA involvement most certainly does make the state liable should someone link or attempt to link health issues to MM use.

If MM is such a great option, then why not take the steps necessary to have MM approved by the FSA?
                             Had no clue that was an option,   I can only imagin the paperwork involved with that.   The synthetic form is legal in ND but it is only approved for some conditions and from what I hear , Doctors might not prescribe it for Fibro,  And Insurance might not cover and it is expensive .             Most of us have better things to do than jump through all the federal hoops that lead to the creation of more trainers that  train us to be like dogs to keep jumping through hoops.        Just like the farmers that wanted to grow fiber hemp in ND  that the feds made legal at least I thought so.     Last I read about them  they were still being held up for some reason.    

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 01:16 AM | Reply #88 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Just googled the North Dakota hemp producers  to check the status and found an article or two on industrial hemp.   I had no clue there was a hemp awareness week.


http://www.ndfu.org/story/147/campaign-aims-to-allow-industrial-hemp-farming

http://www.northdakotaagconnection.com/story-state.php?Id=468&yr=2012


 Say what you want about industrial hemp but if you knew the potential of this stuff you would be have to be pretty narrow minded not to admit that it is a renewable resource that we should be using .    If anyone can think of anything negative about industrial hemp please post it and educate me if I am overlooking something.
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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 01:28 AM | Reply #89 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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North Dakota Farmers still battling for Hemp Licenses

You may have seen my post about the North Dakota farmers who were issued hemp licenses. Having received their state licenses, they still aren’t allowed to grow hemp. They now need federal licence - due to the DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) not recognizing the term ‘industrial hemp’.

Well, they’re still fighting their battle. It seems that it’s not that straight forward getting an industrial hemp license in the US!

Here’s a news article I found with one of the farmers displaying some hemp products. The farmer, Wayne Hauge, says:

Just a couple of hours north of us in Canada, industrial hemp is grown for multiple products.

They’re growing it, and they’re doing well with it. They make soaps, lotions, ropes and twine. When you combine its fibers with flax, cotton and silk, it makes a very soft product. Hemp could make a nice prom dress. They’ve got hemp granola bars and hemp milk in three flavors.

And he says that the unopened hemp milk could set on a shelf almost a year unrefridgerated.

Doesn’t it seem crazy that, given the amazing benefits of industrial hemp, and the variety of uses of hemp, that it’s so difficult to do the right thing and grow it?








 

Hemp Legalization Case Continues in Appeals Court

Two North Dakota farmers fighting for the right to grow industrial hemp, have had their case heard in the United States court of appeals.

The farmers sued the DEA in June last year because it was preventing them from planting hemp, despite the fact that they had received state licences to grow the plant.

Although the state of North Dakota has granted the farmers with licences to grow hemp, the federal law claims that industrial hemp is a drug and therefore prohibits them from doing so.

Initial Ruling

The U.S. District Court of North Dakota had initially dismissed the farmers’ case in June 2007, ruling that that hemp and marijuana are the same.

Contrary to this ruling, scientific evidence actually shows that not only are oilseed and fiber varieties of Cannabis genetically distinct from drug varieties, but there are absolutely no psychoactive effects gained from eating it.

Wednesday’s Hearing

The farmers, represented by attorneys Joe Sandler and Tim Purdon, argued to the court that there is no possibility the hemp crop could be diverted into the market for drugs.

“Given North Dakota’s unique regulatory regime, nothing leaves the farmer’s property except those parts of the plant Congress has already decided should be exempt from regulation: hemp stalk, fiber seed and oil. The question is whether there is any rational basis for Congressional regulation of the plant itself growing on the farmer’s property. The answer is no — because industrial hemp is useless as drug marijuana and there’s no danger of diversion, so there’s no possible impact on the market for drug marijuana.” Mr Sandler argued to the court.

The government argued that the plaintiffs should apply to the DEA for permission to grow hemp and that the court didn’t have jurisdiction over the issues raised by the farmers.

Melissa Patterson, representative for the Justice Department, said “The plaintiffs should await the DEA’s decision on their application,”

In response, Judge Michael Milloy asked, “Isn’t it true the DEA will not rule on the farmer’s applications to grow hemp, you’ve had eleven months?”

Ms. Patterson answered, “The DEA has not replied out of respect to the pending proceedings.”

In response to the jurisdictional objections made by the DEA, Judge Lavenski Smith said, “When there is a legitimate constitutional issue brought before us we can hear the case.”

The court is expected to make a written decision next year.




 

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 01:42 AM | Reply #90 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I think this would be a bad idea. If it became legal think of all the deadbeats that would flock to the emergency room and waste valuable time from people who are in dire emergencies just so they can score a prescription even though they don't need marijuana medically. A lot of these folks would probably cause an increase in medicare and medicaid and other forms of free medical care which in turn we the taxpayers have to foot the bill for. Theres already a ton of pill popper junkies trying this same sort of tactic right now, it would just create another whole chapter of a mess for the people who work in health care.

This is a stupid petition. If your in real pain, pot isn't gonna help you much. Just get you stoned off your backside.


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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 03:42 AM | Reply #91 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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If i was to grow hemp; I'd Put it under my Andro tank. A trail can would help.

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 06:57 AM | Reply #92 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Wow, we all grew up with maryjane and we all seen the affects of it on people we know and yes I did inhale. you can put your head in a bag and say that mj is bad,but I have yet to see a man made drug that doesnt have so many side affects that you debate taking it because it mite cause more problems then the problem itself. We have to weight the good with the bad. If you worry about your childs getting hooked up that a parenting thing. If people have problems and mj can help them then what is the problem? I read some of the views on this site and just shake my head. I wonder if people got to vote on oxyconte if that debate would have been the same way. Doc. gives this drug out to your 75 year old mother you dont hesitate picking it up and giving it to her. steriods really?
Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 07:37 AM | Reply #93 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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WILDEYES Said:
Wow, we all grew up with maryjane and we all seen the affects of it on people we know and yes I did inhale. you can put your head in a bag and say that mj is bad,but I have yet to see a man made drug that doesnt have so many side affects that you debate taking it because it mite cause more problems then the problem itself. We have to weight the good with the bad. If you worry about your childs getting hooked up that a parenting thing. If people have problems and mj can help them then what is the problem? I read some of the views on this site and just shake my head. I wonder if people got to vote on oxyconte if that debate would have been the same way. Doc. gives this drug out to your 75 year old mother you dont hesitate picking it up and giving it to her. steriods really?
Given the admission of inhalation and subsequent horrific spelling and grammar, I can confidently vote against legalization.  The above quoted paragraph looks like something out of the script from "Idiocracy".

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 08:04 AM | Reply #94 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 08:06 AM | Reply #95 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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eyexer Said:
Roundhouse Said:
eyexer Said:
RebelRouser Said:
eyexer Said:
My sister is a NP in oncology.  I just had a discussion with her regarding this.  She indicated that today there are such good anti nausea drugs that marijuana really isn't necessary.  And she says there really hasn't been good enough studies done to back up the anti-pain claims that are being made.  She doesn't feel it's a good enough anti pain drug to justify legalizing it when you consider all the down falls of doing so.  She says that marijuana use is up across the country and they have now started to see a major increase to head and neck cancers which they contribute to marijuana use.  She says there is the pill which can be prescribed but she doesn't use it much anymore because most of her patients get so loopy they don't eat.  which is why it was being used in the first place, to stimulate appetite. 
BS!! on this one. Imagine that, she works for the medical profession and they have drugs now that work just fine for pain. Again, BS!  isnt it funny how the new drug craze in America is "prescription drugs"???? they are easier to buy on the street than to get from a pharmacist, yet, they are manufactured FDA approved drugs.

As a non-pot smoker I say legalize it, tax it, and let everyone, user and non-user alike see the taxation benefits of it vs. the tax dollar cost of fighting a losing, never ending battle. Mexican drug lords are getting money now that would otherwise stay in this country. Its like alcohol, porn, cigarettes etc... if you dont like it, dont buy it. Mind your own business and move on.

ok, now pass the crack pipe
Eye, why don't you link to some of your studies.  You make claims without any proof.  The only thing you do is through out wild claims with no proof.  You shhot down what people say even when they show proof.  You on the other hand don't link to anything.

Also, your sister who is a NP would never ever recommend MM.  Is she the same person you used to claim was a doctor?

what the hell is your problem.  you are a grade A azzhat.  read my posts.  I stated numerous times I was repeating what my sister an NP in oncology stated.  People can use that info for what it's worth. If it doesn't fit your agenda then disregard it.  I honestly don't have a feeling one way or another regarding the dope smokers.  Far as I'm concerned they can smoke away.  Dude you really need to get a life.


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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 08:41 AM | Reply #96 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Marijuana isn't even a worry in America compared to prescription pain killers.  Prescription pain killers are super addictive and people will do almost anything to get them.  The only reason law enforcement doesn't want maryjane to be legal is because they can't test your sobriety very easily.
Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 09:21 AM | Reply #97 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Legalizing pot would be a great idea!   Look what is has done for the baby boomer generation.   Politics is full of pot head baby boomers and they have made so many great decisions both fiscally and socially to help this country "transform" to something their parents would despise.  IMHO,  this country is screwed up because of 1960's dope induced decisions that keep lingering.

IMHO, pot is a drug that eventually will lead many to harder drugs.   I have a few former good friends that didn't turn out so well and imho part of the reason is because of dope.
As far as the medical uses why not get the ingredient prescribed in pill or liquid form?
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Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 09:43 AM | Reply #98 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yup, legalize it and move on.. Tax it and move on... Shift the money from Drug wars to Drug rehabilitation (for drugs that are highly addictive) and move on..

Simply put, it is a pathetic fight to control what is a persons choice.. If you can sell alcohol, then you can sell Marijuana.  Its not like people that want it can't get it..

I respect most opinions, but those that are influenced by propaganda.   MJ is not a gateway drug.  People make choices.  Alcoholics have made more poor choices than pot smokers ever will.  Please don't blame weed as a bad thing... especially since it has such a limited affect on people vs. other drugs (including alcohol).

Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 10:50 AM | Reply #99 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Enslow and some others are very correct about drug seeking behavior.!    I often wonder how many doctor visits are specifically to pick up prescriptions for oxycontin, lorcet and all their lookalikes?   A tremendous percentage.   
Some friends of mine moonlighted in other ER's around the state and they said it was the rule that at least one  or two drug seeking indivicuals that he knew well would show up at other ER's when he was on duty.They would walk in the door, recognize him as that @#$^&#doc that refused the narcotics a few hours ago in Bis, turn around, and go to another ER where they hoped the wouldn't be recognized.  Happens all day, every day .Kind of funny, but also kind of sad!
Would the same thing happen for Pot?  For a while at least, until the individual is 'approved', but requiring a doc's Ok to be 'approved' doesn't work .Legalize the stuff or not.  There's no in between.  If people want it certified as a 'drug' then expect suppliers to have to jump through all the hoops required of any other drug, and expect prices to climb accordingly.   The backyard grower won't be able to sell it as a 'drug' if that's what people are hoping.   Long lists of  other reasons why it doesn't work.
Heck, I've been retired for 11+ years, and I still get calls from people requesting narcotics.  Now I have an unlisted number so I get fewer now, but got one at 3.00 am the otther night from someone I'd never heard of!?!  Must have got my cell phone number from a very very old phone book!
The abuse potential of any pain killer and a lot of tranquillizers is high and thousands of people die each year from prescription drugs. Still that number is far less than alcohol!   Despite measures to curb prescription misuse by going after unscrupulous docs and NP's and PAs,and identifying drug seekers as much as HIPPA allows,  the number of deaths continue climb every year.   I have no answers for it, nor does anyone else.
But remember,  the most dangerous, most devestating drug of all and most likely to be abused, and most likely to have bad ramifications is Alcohol.  Hands down....yet how many of us brag about how stoned we were, etc.   Do that with MJ or Oxycontin and someone would report you and thow you in jail, even though Narcotics and MF is less addicting than booze.   
I don't feel strongly about pot one way or another.   As far more potent narcotics are used and abused every day, and thousands of people DIE every year of prescription drugs and legal alcohol   Pot probably is safer. If you were going to legalize it, then legalize it and don't require a 'docs presctription' for it.  That's an unenforcement  nightmare for everyone concerned, as they found out in Montana and other areas before that Opens up .a huge barrel  of crawlers!
Arguing about head and neck cancers is silly, and so far down the list of important things its negligable.  Legal chewing tobacco is so far in the number one spot for that, that, all the other bad things in the world could never come close.     
Unfortunately most of the drug seekers are after the drugs, NOT sincere treatment for their aches and pains.  Probably no different withPOT.  There are some exceptions, though.   Pain killers of all kinds are only symptomatic treatment at best, but few are sincerely trying to treat the CAUSE of their pain - just blitz it out of existence for a little while.  Like I said, there are some exceptions, but relatively few, IME. 
Allowing pot by prescription works poorly if at all. . If the medical industry cannot control prescription drug abuse, they sure can't control MJ drug abuse.   Either legalize it or no, but don't toss decisions on the medical provider! 
Off topic but definitely NOTt worth putting people in prison for simple possesion, etc.   We taxpayers bear the brunt of the cost of that nonsense, the law enforcement, the incarceration, etc.   If you must have punishment, how about community service?  .
Re: Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota
by on 06/07/2012 11:04 AM | Reply #100 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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bobkat Said:
Enslow and some others are very correct about drug seeking behavior.!    I often wonder how many doctor visits are specifically to pick up prescriptions for oxycontin, lorcet and all their lookalikes?   A tremendous percentage.   
Some friends of mine moonlighted in other ER's around the state and they said it was the rule that at least one  or two drug seeking indivicuals that he knew well would show up at other ER's when he was on duty.They would walk in the door, recognize him as that @#$^&#doc that refused the narcotics a few hours ago in Bis, turn around, and go to another ER where they hoped the wouldn't be recognized.  Happens all day, every day .Kind of funny, but also kind of sad!
Would the same thing happen for Pot?  For a while at least, until the individual is 'approved', but requiring a doc's Ok to be 'approved' doesn't work .Legalize the stuff or not.  There's no in between.  If people want it certified as a 'drug' then expect suppliers to have to jump through all the hoops required of any other drug, and expect prices to climb accordingly.   The backyard grower won't be able to sell it as a 'drug' if that's what people are hoping.   Long lists of  other reasons why it doesn't work.
Heck, I've been retired for 11+ years, and I still get calls from people requesting narcotics.  Now I have an unlisted number so I get fewer now, but got one at 3.00 am the otther night from someone I'd never heard of!?!  Must have got my cell phone number from a very very old phone book!
The abuse potential of any pain killer and a lot of tranquillizers is high and thousands of people die each year from prescription drugs. Still that number is far less than alcohol!   Despite measures to curb prescription misuse by going after unscrupulous docs and NP's and PAs,and identifying drug seekers as much as HIPPA allows,  the number of deaths continue climb every year.   I have no answers for it, nor does anyone else.
But remember,  the most dangerous, most devestating drug of all and most likely to be abused, and most likely to have bad ramifications is Alcohol.  Hands down....yet how many of us brag about how stoned we were, etc.   Do that with MJ or Oxycontin and someone would report you and thow you in jail, even though Narcotics and MF is less addicting than booze.   
I don't feel strongly about pot one way or another.   As far more potent narcotics are used and abused every day, and thousands of people DIE every year of prescription drugs and legal alcohol   Pot probably is safer. If you were going to legalize it, then legalize it and don't require a 'docs presctription' for it.  That's an unenforcement  nightmare for everyone concerned, as they found out in Montana and other areas before that Opens up .a huge barrel  of crawlers!
Arguing about head and neck cancers is silly, and so far down the list of important things its negligable.  Legal chewing tobacco is so far in the number one spot for that, that, all the other bad things in the world could never come close.     
Unfortunately most of the drug seekers are after the drugs, NOT sincere treatment for their aches and pains.  Probably no different withPOT.  There are some exceptions, though.   Pain killers of all kinds are only symptomatic treatment at best, but few are sincerely trying to treat the CAUSE of their pain - just blitz it out of existence for a little while.  Like I said, there are some exceptions, but relatively few, IME. 
Allowing pot by prescription works poorly if at all. . If the medical industry cannot control prescription drug abuse, they sure can't control MJ drug abuse.   Either legalize it or no, but don't toss decisions on the medical provider! 
Off topic but definitely NOTt worth putting people in prison for simple possesion, etc.   We taxpayers bear the brunt of the cost of that nonsense, the law enforcement, the incarceration, etc.   If you must have punishment, how about community service?  .
Yes the decision shouldnt be on the medical providers shoulders. 

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