Petition to Legalize Marijuana in North Dakota

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4th Generation Said:

If you don't mind me asking, how much did the ani nausia pills cost (if you can remember. I understand that it being 15 years things can escape memeory).

What will commercially produced, inspected, and distributed pharmaceutical grade MJ cost?

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 The all time biggest opponents of MM are private prisons and pharmaceutical companies.  Hmmmmmm,  wonder why that is ?

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maybe this will open some eyes.

Because I'm too lazy to look, is there a double-blinded, randomized, peer reviewed, multi-center study with an N = 1500 or more showing the efficacy of MJ for pain, appetite, or any of the other indications folks are trying to get it passed for?

I'll say again before folks jump me about this, I've got NO PROBLEM with cancer patients getting pretty much anything they want.

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 The all time biggest opponents of MM are private prisons and pharmaceutical companies.  Hmmmmmm,  wonder why that is ?

Reference to those statements?

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If thats not creditable enough I am sure I can find more.  This whole thing isn't as simple as it seems.  And then ask yourself this, why do you think marijuana is SO bad ?  I am not saying it isn't, but I will say I would rather have a pot smoker around than a drunk looking at porn and driving around on prescription depression meds when sober, all of which are legal.

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I already saw one of the petitioners in front of the Bismarck Post Office today.  Maybe they shouldn't dress like pot-smoking hippies if they want people to sign.

Yea i saw sideshow Bob and his buddies passing this thing around today he had a couple handfuls of company lending a hand, skateboard, or hacky sack to the cause. Legit medical users driving this bill my ass.

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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm? Honestly I have no idea what you are asking would cost, but its also largely unnecessary IMO.

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If you don't mind me asking, how much did the ani nausia pills cost (if you can remember. I understand that it being 15 years things can escape memeory).

What will commercially produced, inspected, and distributed pharmaceutical grade MJ cost?

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 It's no different than PETA people trying pass some legislation about animal rights or laws. Baby steps boys, baby steps.  They are just trying to get the foot in the door. What were the petitioners supposed to do? Put up a bill where everyone can get weed whenever especially kids?  No one is going to vote for that. By the way, there may be a legit group trying to pass this. I don't know. But all the potheads out there see this as an opportunity for a foot in the door so that down the road it will be legalized.   On a side note, there were comments about law enforcement and drug wars. We havent even began to get close or even a whiff of victory there. Would legalizing weed free up agents for targeting other or worse drugs, just a thought? 

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I already saw one of the petitioners in front of the Bismarck Post Office today.  Maybe they shouldn't dress like pot-smoking hippies if they want people to sign.

Yea i saw sideshow Bob and his buddies passing this thing around today he had a couple handfuls of company lending a hand, skateboard, or hacky sack to the cause. Legit medical users driving this bill my ass.

 

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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

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I dont know what you consider 'pharm grade' weed specifically, but you can grow some potent stuff fairly easily, if you can grow tomatoes (indoors or out) you can grow weed. This isnt a drug used to fight an infection where dosage is important, its used to alleviate symptoms and PRN, as the patient feels is helpful or necessary, there is no risk of OD and very little risk of physical addiction. Why would it have to be inspected or verified? If its legalized, there will be reputable places where you can purchase it eventually, where theres a demand, supply will follow. Its unfortunate that it would require a prescription as this is more of a homeopathic treatment, seems you are thinking along the lines of traditional pill drugs with specific dosages, etc... Or maybe (probably) you are just being difficult, because I dont think you are as dense as your comments come across.

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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

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I dont know what you consider 'pharm grade' weed specifically, but you can grow some potent stuff fairly easily, if you can grow tomatoes (indoors or out) you can grow weed. This isnt a drug used to fight an infection where dosage is important, its used to alleviate symptoms and PRN, as the patient feels is helpful or necessary, there is no risk of OD and very little risk of physical addiction. Why would it have to be inspected or verified? If its legalized, there will be reputable places where you can purchase it eventually, where theres a demand, supply will follow. Its unfortunate that it would require a prescription as this is more of a homeopathic treatment, seems you are thinking along the lines of traditional pill drugs with specific dosages, etc... Or maybe (probably) you are just being difficult, because I dont think you are as dense as your comments come across.

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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

I think what he is getting at is if it were legalized, it would likely have a mandate on inspection and control when it is prescribed.  Much like any other consumable commodity sold for retail. 

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Im sure there would be some rules a 'distributor' would have to follow, I doubt it would have to be extremely complicated or costly though. Best bet to ensure you are getting a quality product would be to grow your own or allow a family member or friend grow it for you (if that could be written into the fine print of the law).

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I dont know what you consider 'pharm grade' weed specifically, but you can grow some potent stuff fairly easily, if you can grow tomatoes (indoors or out) you can grow weed. This isnt a drug used to fight an infection where dosage is important, its used to alleviate symptoms and PRN, as the patient feels is helpful or necessary, there is no risk of OD and very little risk of physical addiction. Why would it have to be inspected or verified? If its legalized, there will be reputable places where you can purchase it eventually, where theres a demand, supply will follow. Its unfortunate that it would require a prescription as this is more of a homeopathic treatment, seems you are thinking along the lines of traditional pill drugs with specific dosages, etc... Or maybe (probably) you are just being difficult, because I dont think you are as dense as your comments come across.

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Lycanthrope Said:
Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

I think what he is getting at is if it were legalized, it would likely have a mandate on inspection and control when it is prescribed.  Much like any other consumable commodity sold for retail. 

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I dont know what you consider 'pharm grade' weed specifically, but you can grow some potent stuff fairly easily, if you can grow tomatoes (indoors or out) you can grow weed. This isnt a drug used to fight an infection where dosage is important, its used to alleviate symptoms and PRN, as the patient feels is helpful or necessary, there is no risk of OD and very little risk of physical addiction. Why would it have to be inspected or verified? If its legalized, there will be reputable places where you can purchase it eventually, where theres a demand, supply will follow. Its unfortunate that it would require a prescription as this is more of a homeopathic treatment, seems you are thinking along the lines of traditional pill drugs with specific dosages, etc... Or maybe (probably) you are just being difficult, because I dont think you are as dense as your comments come across.
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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

Dosage is important for pretty much any/all drugs, prescription or not.  Too much Ibuprofen or acetaminophen can be deadly, it's why every drug you can buy in a drug store, grocery store, or convenience store has directions regarding dosing and adminstration.  

The "No Dosage Necessary"  is part of the problem that I and many others have with legalization/decriminalization, especially when those who've taken the THC pill talk about being knocked out.  Even a well documented long-term chronic pain patient can't just take what they want when they want, even if they have enough medication, they need to follow their Dr's instructions/prescription.

I don't believe that eating a raw onion will remove a cold or that Garlic will ward off vampires either.  I'm not about to take medical advice from a bunch of useless yert-toting, frisbee-chucking, cheeba monkeys.

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Lycanthrope Said:
Im sure there would be some rules a 'distributor' would have to follow, I doubt it would have to be extremely complicated or costly though. Best bet to ensure you are getting a quality product would be to grow your own or allow a family member or friend grow it for you (if that could be written into the fine print of the law).

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I dont know what you consider 'pharm grade' weed specifically, but you can grow some potent stuff fairly easily, if you can grow tomatoes (indoors or out) you can grow weed. This isnt a drug used to fight an infection where dosage is important, its used to alleviate symptoms and PRN, as the patient feels is helpful or necessary, there is no risk of OD and very little risk of physical addiction. Why would it have to be inspected or verified? If its legalized, there will be reputable places where you can purchase it eventually, where theres a demand, supply will follow. Its unfortunate that it would require a prescription as this is more of a homeopathic treatment, seems you are thinking along the lines of traditional pill drugs with specific dosages, etc... Or maybe (probably) you are just being difficult, because I dont think you are as dense as your comments come across.

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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

I think what he is getting at is if it were legalized, it would likely have a mandate on inspection and control when it is prescribed.  Much like any other consumable commodity sold for retail. 

IMO, if it were somehow legalized they wouldn't let every Tom, Dick and Harry have plants on their porch.  You would likely have to be a large scale farmer and pay for an expensive annual "weed" permit which would discourage small scale operation. 

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Im sure there would be some rules a 'distributor' would have to follow, I doubt it would have to be extremely complicated or costly though. 

Gaining FDA approval for a compound costs several million dollars.  New drug, new approval.  New drug strength, new approval process

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Captain, most states that have legalized mm also allow somewhere around 6 plants that can be grown by the patient with the medical card.

 

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the dosage discussion is kind of moot, imho.  i don't think there has ever been a documented case of "overdosing" from smoking the weed.

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~eyexer~ I buy no means am trying to kill the meesenger, just wondering how they can say in one sentence there hasn't been enough studies then say that more head and neck cancers are showing up and pot being the reason?

Horsager~ In colorado, where it is legal already, there is no monitoring of pot.  The dispensaries get it from growers then you get  a card saying you need it for medical reasons. Big goverment does not have their hand in the making only the taxing. So pharmaceutical grade MJ already comes from peoples basement, or I suppose their backyards? You need to do some reading about other states that already have it legalized. It's actually been quit profitable for the state of CO!

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the dosage discussion is kind of moot, imho.  i don't think there has ever been a documented case of "overdosing" from smoking the weed.

You are correct sir! There has NEVER been a case of overdosing on pot in any record books at ANY hospital, so the overdose discussion is moot!

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Ok maybe I was wrong about you just being silly, do you think all the 'distributors' in every other state that has legalized MM are getting FDA approval for every type of weed they are selling? As this is would be a STATE law, and it would still remain illegal on a federal level, I doubt youd need or have much luck getting the FDA to approve anything. Your comparison of tylenol to weed is also somewhat ignorant. You might be better off doing some reading (or experimenting) before you continue posting.

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Im sure there would be some rules a 'distributor' would have to follow, I doubt it would have to be extremely complicated or costly though. 

Gaining FDA approval for a compound costs several million dollars.  New drug, new approval.  New drug strength, new approval process

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~eyexer~ I buy no means am trying to kill the meesenger, just wondering how they can say in one sentence there hasn't been enough studies then say that more head and neck cancers are showing up and pot being the reason?

Horsager~ In colorado, where it is legal already, there is no monitoring of pot.  The dispensaries get it from growers then you get  a card saying you need it for medical reasons. Big goverment does not have their hand in the making only the taxing. So pharmaceutical grade MJ already comes from peoples basement, or I suppose their backyards? You need to do some reading about other states that already have it legalized. It's actually been quit profitable for the state of CO!

And also very profitable to a large chunk of the people carrying the cards.

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 It's no different than PETA people trying pass some legislation about animal rights or laws. Baby steps boys, baby steps.  They are just trying to get the foot in the door. What were the petitioners supposed to do? Put up a bill where everyone can get weed whenever especially kids?  No one is going to vote for that. By the way, there may be a legit group trying to pass this. I don't know. But all the potheads out there see this as an opportunity for a foot in the door so that down the road it will be legalized.   On a side note, there were comments about law enforcement and drug wars. We havent even began to get close or even a whiff of victory there. Would legalizing weed free up agents for targeting other or worse drugs, just a thought? 

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I already saw one of the petitioners in front of the Bismarck Post Office today.  Maybe they shouldn't dress like pot-smoking hippies if they want people to sign.

Yea i saw sideshow Bob and his buddies passing this thing around today he had a couple handfuls of company lending a hand, skateboard, or hacky sack to the cause. Legit medical users driving this bill my ass.

could be.  although I personally would bet that most weed is found during routine traffic stops or during drug busts of the worse drugs.  I don't know that they spend alot of time staking out a house to bust someone for an ounce of weed.  I may be wrong but I doubt it. 

 

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~eyexer~ I buy no means am trying to kill the meesenger, just wondering how they can say in one sentence there hasn't been enough studies then say that more head and neck cancers are showing up and pot being the reason?

Horsager~ In colorado, where it is legal already, there is no monitoring of pot.  The dispensaries get it from growers then you get  a card saying you need it for medical reasons. Big goverment does not have their hand in the making only the taxing. So pharmaceutical grade MJ already comes from peoples basement, or I suppose their backyards? You need to do some reading about other states that already have it legalized. It's actually been quit profitable for the state of CO!

And also very profitable to a large chunk of the people carrying the cards.

How is that? Seeing that there is an abundance of pot everywhere the cardholder are not the suppliers? They are the patients who pay more in a dispencary than they would on the street! Not all cardhodler grow their own pot. You can have another person grow it for you if they have a card. Your point is moot!

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Lycanthrope Said:
I dont know what you consider 'pharm grade' weed specifically, but you can grow some potent stuff fairly easily, if you can grow tomatoes (indoors or out) you can grow weed. This isnt a drug used to fight an infection where dosage is important, its used to alleviate symptoms and PRN, as the patient feels is helpful or necessary, there is no risk of OD and very little risk of physical addiction. Why would it have to be inspected or verified? If its legalized, there will be reputable places where you can purchase it eventually, where theres a demand, supply will follow. Its unfortunate that it would require a prescription as this is more of a homeopathic treatment, seems you are thinking along the lines of traditional pill drugs with specific dosages, etc... Or maybe (probably) you are just being difficult, because I dont think you are as dense as your comments come across.

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Sounds like a waste of money when you can grow your own for free, makes it sound like you have some $$$ invested in big pharm?

Nope.

Really, a person can grow their own pharmaceutical grade MJ for free as well as have same inspected and verified @ no charge?  Or, are you saying someone can head on down to see the "legalize" folks, hand J and Silent Bob a little $$ and they'll hand you some seeds of unknown origin on the down-low?

I think what he is getting at is if it were legalized, it would likely have a mandate on inspection and control when it is prescribed.  Much like any other consumable commodity sold for retail. 

and that's the point I've been trying to make.  the administrative costs associated with it's legalization would be very high. 

 

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Id say that is probably a very small percentage. Not many people would risk going to jail to sell something that is already easy to get anyway. If they would, they were probably dealers or involved in the drug industry already, pre legalization. Im sure there are SOME people that would or do, but there are cheaper ways to get pot than to buy it from a MM shop.

Im guessing a lot of the people that are against MM dont have a clue how easy it is to get pot already, laws keep it out of sight and out of mind, for them at least...

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~eyexer~ I buy no means am trying to kill the meesenger, just wondering how they can say in one sentence there hasn't been enough studies then say that more head and neck cancers are showing up and pot being the reason?

Horsager~ In colorado, where it is legal already, there is no monitoring of pot.  The dispensaries get it from growers then you get  a card saying you need it for medical reasons. Big goverment does not have their hand in the making only the taxing. So pharmaceutical grade MJ already comes from peoples basement, or I suppose their backyards? You need to do some reading about other states that already have it legalized. It's actually been quit profitable for the state of CO!

And also very profitable to a large chunk of the people carrying the cards.

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4th Generation Said:

~eyexer~ I buy no means am trying to kill the meesenger, just wondering how they can say in one sentence there hasn't been enough studies then say that more head and neck cancers are showing up and pot being the reason?

Horsager~ In colorado, where it is legal already, there is no monitoring of pot.  The dispensaries get it from growers then you get  a card saying you need it for medical reasons. Big goverment does not have their hand in the making only the taxing. So pharmaceutical grade MJ already comes from peoples basement, or I suppose their backyards? You need to do some reading about other states that already have it legalized. It's actually been quit profitable for the state of CO!

those are two different issues.  not enough studies to prove it has value as a pain killer.  another issue-an increase in head and neck cancers coinciding with the rise in mj use.  that's all I'm stating.  And I'm just repeating what a medical expert in cancer just told me this morning. 

 

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does anybody know what happened in Montana.  Didn't they pass this and then had all kinds of issues with it so they stopped it.  And now are trying to get it  going again.  Can't remember what all happened over there. 

 

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(Reuters Health) - You've heard about using marijuana and drugs derived from it to keep some of the side effects of toxic cancer chemotherapy in check. But what if smoking marijuana for 10 to 20 years could actually protect against certain tumors?

In a study, researchers have found that long-term pot smokers were roughly 62 percent less likely to develop head and neck cancers than people who did not smoke pot.

The new study featured 434 patients with head and neck cancers, which include tumors in the mouth, tongue, nose, sinuses, throat and lymph nodes in the neck, and 547 individuals without these cancers seen in the Greater Boston area from December 1999 to December 2003.

After factoring out the impact of smoking, drinking, and other factors that might influence the results, smoking marijuana from once every two weeks to three times every two weeks, on average, was associated with about half the risk of head and neck cancer, compared with less frequent use.


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another issue-an increase in head and neck cancers coinciding with the rise in mj use.  that's all I'm stating.  And I'm just repeating what a medical expert in cancer just told me this morning. 
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in the states that have legalized and taxed it already, the increased tax revenue from the drug itself being sold out of dispensaries and increased economic activity leading to more tax revenue have outpaced the slight administrative costs enormously.  i don't dare google it from work.  but, i read an article about california or colorado (i think) whereby the estimated increase in revenue to the state coffers was something like 100X the administrative cost of issuing cards... and that didn't include the savings from the enforcement and incarceration costs. 

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