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Official 2013 Red River Flood Page

Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/13/2013 1:53 PM | Reply #41 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Horsager Said:
 Pelican ramp not useable without dredging by Labor day
Wrong! Devils Lake forecasted to rise 2 feet already. 

Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/13/2013 2:07 PM | Reply #42 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 If there is much flooding this spring I think it just shows again the effects of all the drainage and how screwed up the system is.  Last year was super dry and this has been maybe just on the high side of average for winter snowfall and we need to worry about major flooding? Not to mention every time it rains 2 or 3 inches in the summer the river goes up 20 feet.  Something is really broken.  
Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/13/2013 2:08 PM | Reply #43 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Enslow Said:
Horsager Said:
 Pelican ramp not useable without dredging by Labor day
Wrong! Devils Lake forecasted to rise 2 feet already. 



Lot of snow around there and good snow north in the upper basin.  I bet we every bit of 2' and maybe more.
Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/13/2013 2:31 PM | Reply #44 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Right now the concern should be overland flooding with the extended cooler temps and current snow pac, a significant rain and frozen ground could be a recipe folks getting water where they don't want it...  








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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/19/2013 2:07 PM | Reply #45 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 this is going to get very interesting... not quite 1997 interesting.  but, i would say maybe 2006, 2001 or 1979 levels for grand forks and upper 30s for fargo.  certainly no hydrologist... but, the longer we stay in this freeze and keep getting a bit of moisture every week, the bigger chance that things will thaw practically overnight and meet with a still iced over river.

folks always talked about 1997 being a perfect storm for grand forks.  i actually take the position it was an almost perfect storm.  the part that made it an almost perfect storm in my mind was the very good march thaw we had that year.  there was a good 2-3 weeks of decent weather in mid-late march and the first couple days of april that allowed the river ice to break up and a lot of water to get flushed prior to the april storm hitting.  had we had the same 110-130 inches of snow without that nice weather in march and then the same very warm weather in early april instead of the same warm weather that we ended up getting towards mid to later april, i honestly think it could've been worse.  but, since i ain't a usgs hydrologist... 
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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/19/2013 2:26 PM | Reply #46 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 Living there for 30yrs I've sandbagged more houses than I care to think of. When you have to use a boat to get sandbags to the house really sucks. Flood away now that I live out west. Lots of permanent dikes are at 44ft so doubt it will be a big deal. If a dike gives away then you will have grand forks again. With all the buy-outs they did after the last flood, not many sandbags will be needed
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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/19/2013 2:56 PM | Reply #47 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 11:22 AM | Reply #48 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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With winter continuing to drag on and the melting process frozen in its tracks, the area is projected to be in for a “significant flood” along the Red River this spring, said Greg Gust, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service office in Grand Forks.


“Let’s just say it’s going to be in the realm of some of the big floods we’ve seen in the last few years,” he said, referring to floods in 2010 and 2011.


“It’s not looking quite so bad as ’09,” Gust added.


In 2010, the Red River crested at 36.99 feet. In 2011, it hit 38.75 feet, the fourth highest on record. The 2009 flood crested at 40.84 feet.


The Red River flood stage in Fargo-Moorhead is 17 feet.


Gust said slow melting and record to near-record cold temperatures are bumping up the likelihood of a major flood.


He said temperatures will stay in the freezing range until the middle of next week. Things won’t start really melting until the first week in April, and a flood won’t start “materializing” until the second week, Gust said.


The snowpack upstream, in the Wahpeton area, is “as much or more” than it was in 2011, he said.


“It’s going to take days and days to melt that,” he said.


The weather service will issue an updated flood outlook this morning with specific information on what the area can expect this flood season. Gust wasn’t willing to quantify the range of predictions prior to the release of the updated outlook.


In its last flood outlook March 7, the weather service predicted an 88 percent chance the Red River would top the 30-foot major flood stage in Fargo-Moorhead.


It also said there was a 5 percent chance of the river exceeding 38.2 feet.


Last week, after his annual drive to look at snow and water conditions in the southern Red River Valley, Fargo Mayor Dennis Walaker predicted the river would hit 32 feet in Fargo.


Fargo was in “pretty good shape” for the projected water levels in the March 7 flood outlook, said City Engineer Mark Bittner. The city has spent about $100 million in flood protection since 1997, and much of the city is protected to 38 feet or more.


“We’ve made quite a few improvements over the past three, four years,” Bittner said.


The city has constructed more than 20 levees since 2009, data from the engineering office shows. All of them are built to 42.5 feet or greater, and many are along or near the river between 40th and 64th avenues south.


At 38 feet, Fargo requires 250,000 sandbags. At 42 feet, that number jumps to 1.1 million bags and an estimated 11 miles of temporary levees, Bittner said. The city still has 750,000 bags left over from 2011.


Moorhead is also well-equipped to fight upcoming floods. Since 2009, the city has spent $88 million on mitigation projects, said City Engineer Bob Zimmerman.


Moorhead requires no sandbags or clay levees for river levels up to 35 feet. At 38 feet, only seven properties are affected, requiring 33,000 sandbags and possibly two-fifths of a mile of clay levees.


At 40 feet, 38 properties in Moorhead are affected, requiring 163,000 sandbags and possibly two miles of levees. Zimmerman hedged and said some of those temporary levees serve as backup to the sandbagging.


He added that some of those emergency levees protect areas that have been bought out, but not yet cleared, by the city. Permanent levees will take their place by next year, Zimmerman said.


“I can comfortably say I don’t have a lot of concern up to that 40-foot stage,” he said.


Moorhead has four permanent levee construction projects planned for this year and a couple more in 2014, Zimmerman said. In all, $16 million in projects remain before Moorhead is protected to 42.5 feet.


Cass County Administrator Keith Berndt said he would be watching the flood outlook closely today. Generally, no residences in Cass County are affected up to 35 feet, but roads begin to wash out, he said.


When the river hits 38 feet: “That’s where the first subdivisions start to be threatened,” Berndt said, such as Chrisan, south of Fargo. “Every foot from there is many, many more areas that are inundated.”


One major change in the county is that there is now a permanent levee near U.S. Highway 81 on 88th Avenue South. It was only a temporary levee in 2011.


Berndt said it should protect everything between Highway 81 and 25th Street, including Round Hill and Grandberg.


In Clay County, Oakport is protected up to 42 feet, said Bryan Green, the county’s emergency management director. Green said Georgetown is also well-protected.

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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 11:30 AM | Reply #49 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 11:58 AM | Reply #50 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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zoops Said:
 If there is much flooding this spring I think it just shows again the effects of all the drainage and how screwed up the system is.  Last year was super dry and this has been maybe just on the high side of average for winter snowfall and we need to worry about major flooding? Not to mention every time it rains 2 or 3 inches in the summer the river goes up 20 feet.  Something is really broken.  


the problem with this is how quickly the water comes.. if we get a slower thaw there will be no flood, but the ground has to unthaw before any thing can be soaked up, since it is end of march, i doubt there is going to be a slow thawing period.
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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 12:00 PM | Reply #51 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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zoops Said:
 If there is much flooding this spring I think it just shows again the effects of all the drainage and how screwed up the system is.  Last year was super dry and this has been maybe just on the high side of average for winter snowfall and we need to worry about major flooding? Not to mention every time it rains 2 or 3 inches in the summer the river goes up 20 feet.  Something is really broken.  

Isn't snowpack in some areas at or above 2011 levels?

We should be thankful for the dry year last year. 




 
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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 12:03 PM | Reply #52 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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it is going to flood i am going to be boating for 4 to 6 weeks again this year it sucks living at the bottom of the drain
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by on 03/21/2013 12:28 PM | Reply #53 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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riverview Said:
It is going to flood. I am going to be boating for 4 to 6 weeks again with a pregnant wife & 3 year old daughter. Meh. CBCS.


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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 12:32 PM | Reply #54 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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riverview Said:
it is going to flood i am going to be boating for 4 to 6 weeks again this year it sucks living at the bottom of the drain

i 'experienced' the bis/man flood........umm, how do you handle this year after year after year......


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by on 03/21/2013 12:34 PM | Reply #55 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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jsthntn Said:
 
riverview Said:
it is going to flood i am going to be boating for 4 to 6 weeks again this year it sucks living at the bottom of the drain

i 'experienced' the bis/man flood........umm, how do you handle this year after year after year after year after year after year after year......


CBCS



This  ^


Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 12:40 PM | Reply #56 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 well, i dont kno what cbcs is, but it must work well......
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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 12:43 PM | Reply #57 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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jsthntn Said:
 well, i dont kno what cbcs is, but it must work well......



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by on 03/21/2013 12:57 PM | Reply #58 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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 trotlines are illegal in nd, u shouldnt jepradize ur guiding license like that joshua


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Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 12:59 PM | Reply #59 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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jsthntn Said:
 trotlines are illegal in nd, u shouldnt jepradize ur guiding license like that joshua





Re: Official 2013 Red River Flood Page
by on 03/21/2013 3:44 PM | Reply #60 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Does anyone know if there is some type of map showing the worst areas along the Red for overland flooding?
 
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