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Off Peak water heating?

by , Posted to on 02/24/2011 07:55 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
Anyone using off peak to heat your water?  If so do you ever run out of hot water? How big of a water heater would you need for say a family of 4 ,and there would also be a whirlpool bathtub in use??

Like the idea of off peak, but if the wife ran out of hot water in that whirlpool at say 9:00 at night, life would be miserable.
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by on 02/24/2011 08:07 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/12/2003
Location: ND
Pretty rare they control at that time of night....most controling is in the morning 6-9 and evening   5-7.     I would go with an 80gal or better and you probably wont even notice them controlling.  That and mclean was giving out one hell of a deal on the marathons they sell.
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by on 02/24/2011 08:32 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
it would be Otter Tail, and the power would only be on 11pm till 7am so the stored water would need to last all day, that is why I was wondering about the whirlpool running out towards the end of the day? Off peak rates are reasonable.
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by on 02/24/2011 08:34 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
correction, off peak is 10pm to 6am
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by on 02/24/2011 08:51 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/12/2003
Location: ND
I guess im on OT too but have the RDC and they control everything, but its not bad once your used to it.    What do you mean that control is from 10-6??? if thats the case you would never have an issue at all.
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by on 02/24/2011 08:58 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND
I've been on this system using 80 gallon marathon heaters with both mclean elec and now verendrye and haven't ever been able to tell they had shut me off. The installer at Mclean Elec had told me that he had been on it for more than 5-years at that time and only had one time that it shut off long enough to notice, however the one time it had happend to him it was on a holiday which would tend to make sense.
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by on 02/24/2011 09:01 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND

After rereading this it appears otter tail works slightly differently than others (atleast mclean anyway) because mclean was simply based on usage and normal daily usage typically would never kick the "off-peak" users off. at that time they had told me that if I were to notice it, it would probably happen on a weekend or holliday when usage is above normal.

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by on 02/24/2011 09:25 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
fishhunter Said:
I guess im on OT too but have the RDC and they control everything, but its not bad once your used to it.    What do you mean that control is from 10-6??? if thats the case you would never have an issue at all.


The way I understand it the power is always on at night, 10-6 and off the rest, I sent them an email to see if it is on some during those other hours too? When I build I will use the Thermal Storage Furnace and the a large electric water heater to use off peak rate
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by on 02/24/2011 09:30 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/12/2003
Location: ND

Unless they work things very differant for the off peak water heaters i think you need to talk to them some more.... your water heater would not be controlled from 6- to 10 every day,   but they can control up to 14 hrs per day.   

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by on 02/24/2011 11:30 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/30/2003
Location: ND
I work for OTP and they will not control water heaters for that long. If you get a steffes storage furnace they will control you that long if you choose to be on that rate which is cheaper.The rate is called time of use. OTP has 300$ rebates on any 80 gallon water heater but it has to be over 90% efficient.
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by on 02/24/2011 12:22 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/28/2007
Location: ND
I've had it for six years and never had it off.  my local REC said they've never shut off peak service down.
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by on 02/24/2011 12:25 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
spooky Said:
I work for OTP and they will not control water heaters for that long. If you get a steffes storage furnace they will control you that long if you choose to be on that rate which is cheaper.The rate is called time of use. OTP has 300$ rebates on any 80 gallon water heater but it has to be over 90% efficient.


thanks,  yes, I just talked to Bob at OtterTail and he explained how it all works. Sounds good, with a Steffes furnace, heat pump, and a Marothon water heater. that is the way I am going to go.
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by on 02/24/2011 1:08 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND
You are a smart man.  Off peak is great.  The more power you can use on of peak the better. 
I am in Nodak electric land over here in GF.  We had a 9% rate hike last year and now I hear we will be getting another 17% in March.  Couple that with the surcharge for renewable energy and our bills have gone up over 33% in just over a year.  It is happening everywhere.  The more anybody invests in effecient appliances the faster their payback is going to be.  Gas/oil/coal they are all all only going in one price direction.
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by on 02/24/2011 3:36 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 10/10/2007
Location: ND
If you are going to go through the expense of changing to off peak power just for water heater usage you should consider installing a tankless water heater. More cost up front but in the long haul you will save a considerable amount of cash. This would be very effective if you are using a hot tub/jacuzzi.

Tankless Water Heaters heat water directly without the use of a storage tank. Therefore, they avoid the standby heat losses associated with storage water heaters.

Check out this link:  http://www.tanklesswaterheaterguide.com/
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by on 02/24/2011 7:14 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
wally  it will be new construction, but if a remodel that might be a good idea
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by on 02/25/2011 10:55 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/25/2011
Location: nd
They controled me for 11hrs over 3 times from 6am to 11pm for the $100 savings over a year I'm ready to tell them to drop it. after working outside and come home to a cold shower it stinks.................. if your the last one to shower in the house of 3 and the dishes are done the water gets cold even with a 80gal heater. when your cold you would pay alot for a hot shower
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by on 02/25/2011 11:22 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 04/17/2006
Location: ND

At least you have the opportunity to make decisions and having an option for off peak electricity.  Montana Dakota Utilities keeps asking the state for approval of rate hikes to help their bottom line look better.  Then they hold onto what we paid over the year, then if their investments make them money on what we overpaid, they then decide to give us a rebate (I presume is much less % than what MDU made) of whatever amount their investments gained them.  But that has not happened the last couple of years as they elinimated their product line on appliances and made some changes.  A person sure whould thing that off peak is something that would help during extreme cold and hot temp days!

Oh well....guess it could be a lot worse living in other parts of the world where they don't have all the amenities we have available to us. 

Hope I didn't affend anyone with this post....I'm just sick of the cold weather and ready for SPRING type weather to start moving into North Dakota. 

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by on 02/25/2011 2:45 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/05/2010
Location: nd
Having just moved from MDU to rural electric, off peak or not, it is a hell of a lot cheaper on MDU!  Grass is definitely not greener on the rural side.
tinlaw
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by on 02/25/2011 3:53 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/31/2001
Location: ND
iieyes Said:
They controled me for 11hrs over 3 times from 6am to 11pm for the $100 savings over a year I'm ready to tell them to drop it. after working outside and come home to a cold shower it stinks.................. if your the last one to shower in the house of 3 and the dishes are done the water gets cold even with a 80gal heater. when your cold you would pay alot for a hot shower

   Did they actually turn the power off the the water heater for a 16 hour stretch?? Yikes
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by on 02/25/2011 4:01 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 02/01/2005
Location: ND

replaced a service for a guy about 5 months ago that had his water heater on ottertail off peak in Aneta, ND.  It was the only thing iun his house on off peak so I took the controller off and did not put it back on.  He paid a monthly service fee of something like 3 dollars to be on off peak and by the time it was said and done he figured he was only saving $23 a year.  Check to see what it costs you for upfront costs and monthly fees.

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by on 02/25/2011 4:17 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 12/12/2005
Location: ND
I have sold a couple of the tankless water heaters.  I think they are a great water heater, however they will not save you a nickle on your hot water bill.  When I quote them, I tell people to buy them for convenience sake. 

I should rephrase that.  they will save you money on your gas bill.  But, you do have to have them serviced every year due to the mineral build up in the heat exchanger.  This service will easily chew up your gas savings.  I would lean tword the Marathon.  Lifetime warranty!
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