I don't blame non-shooters for wanting it banned. Most public shooting grounds are totally trashed... dead TVs, shot up furniture, nearby fence posts turned into swiss cheese, shell casings an inch deep, etc.

If I wasn't a shooter myself I'd want it made illegal too because of the pigs who give recreational shooting a bad name.

Same with people who fish the Red, Maple, and Sheyenne Rivers. I can't believe how trashed some areas are by some of the a-holes that fish near Fargo.

Why must they trash the resource when they use it??? Makes me sick. Keep it up and we'll slowly lose local fishing grounds too. If not for floods and us local fisherman who pick up trash, those areas would be total pig pens.

this doesn't surprise me at all.  guywhofishes makes some very valid points.  shooters have nobody to blame but themselves really.  but I think this will be the tip of the iceberg.  Obama will be catering to the far lefties more everyday in the runup to the election.  everything will be on the table

eyexer Said:
this doesn't surprise me at all.  guywhofishes makes some very valid points.  shooters have nobody to blame but themselves really.  but I think this will be the tip of the iceberg.  Obama will be catering to the far lefties more everyday in the runup to the election.  everything will be on the table

Not that I won't fight this kind of shooting ban crap, because that's what it is.

Instead, let's convict/persecute the bad actors - don't take away freedoms/rights of all because of the actions of the slob shooters/hunters.

guywhofishes Said:

eyexer Said:
this doesn't surprise me at all.  guywhofishes makes some very valid points.  shooters have nobody to blame but themselves really.  but I think this will be the tip of the iceberg.  Obama will be catering to the far lefties more everyday in the runup to the election.  everything will be on the table

Not that I won't fight this kind of shooting ban crap, because that's what it is.

Instead, let's convict/persecute the bad actors - don't take away freedoms/rights of all because of the actions of the slob shooters/hunters.

I believe its unfair to target shooters. Whats to say that someone who doesn't use firearms doesn't litter? This sound really one sided to me. No compromise at all in it. I'm sure there are just as many McDonalds bags, pop cans and cigarette butts out there to equal any litter shooters have left behind.

Birdhunter81 Said:
I believe its unfair to target shooters. Whats to say that someone who doesn't use firearms doesn't litter? This sound really one sided to me. No compromise at all in it. I'm sure there are just as many McDonalds bags, pop cans and cigarette butts out there to equal any litter shooters have left behind.

Agree.  I wouldn't put it past antis to go and litter up a public gun range etc. just to give shooters a bad rep.

There are idiots messing things up even at our small Jamestown range, but that is no reason to punish the innocent gun owners.
Remember how we were told 90% of the guns confiscated in Mexico came from the United States?  Well the truth is only ours had serial numbers, and further they were only 5% of the guns confiscated.  So the truth is 90% of the 5% that did have serial numbers so they could be tracked came from here.  Now remember FAST AND FURIOUS.  I think that whole thing was a scam for an excuse for more gun control.

Lets go a step further and look at the current proposed United Nations treaty.  That would also infringe on our second amendment and Obama is chomping at the bit to sign it into law. 

This ban on guns on public land will eventually mean all public land including what we hunt on.  Look at Obama's method of operation.  It's always back door, but it is always aimed at the second amendment.  A couple of years ago he was quoted as saying  the constitution was a hindrance to him  This is simply another one of those liberal back door efforts to undermine our constitution, specifically the second amendment.

Plainsman Said:
There are idiots messing things up even at our small Jamestown range, but that is no reason to punish the innocent gun owners.
Remember how we were told 90% of the guns confiscated in Mexico came from the United States?  Well the truth is only ours had serial numbers, and further they were only 5% of the guns confiscated.  So the truth is 90% of the 5% that did have serial numbers so they could be tracked came from here.  Now remember FAST AND FURIOUS.  I think that whole thing was a scam for an excuse for more gun control.

Lets go a step further and look at the current proposed United Nations treaty.  That would also infringe on our second amendment and Obama is chomping at the bit to sign it into law. 

This ban on guns on public land will eventually mean all public land including what we hunt on.  Look at Obama's method of operation.  It's always back door, but it is always aimed at the second amendment.  A couple of years ago he was quoted as saying  the constitution was a hindrance to him  This is simply another one of those liberal back door efforts to undermine our constitution, specifically the second amendment.

Heck, they basically want all public land to be viewed by binoculars.  Look at the travel management plans, the Corp of Engineer regulations on Lake Sakakawea and the list goes on.

Cool stuff ain't it.

I dont think target shooting is allowed on public land in SD. For good reason

fishman where are you on this one    Oh fishman please join in 

guywhofishes Said:

eyexer Said:
this doesn't surprise me at all.  guywhofishes makes some very valid points.  shooters have nobody to blame but themselves really.  but I think this will be the tip of the iceberg.  Obama will be catering to the far lefties more everyday in the runup to the election.  everything will be on the table

Not that I won't fight this kind of shooting ban crap, because that's what it is.

Instead, let's convict/persecute the bad actors - don't take away freedoms/rights of all because of the actions of the slob shooters/hunters.

exactly

Plainsman Said:
There are idiots messing things up even at our small Jamestown range, but that is no reason to punish the innocent gun owners.
Remember how we were told 90% of the guns confiscated in Mexico came from the United States?  Well the truth is only ours had serial numbers, and further they were only 5% of the guns confiscated.  So the truth is 90% of the 5% that did have serial numbers so they could be tracked came from here.  Now remember FAST AND FURIOUS.  I think that whole thing was a scam for an excuse for more gun control.

Lets go a step further and look at the current proposed United Nations treaty.  That would also infringe on our second amendment and Obama is chomping at the bit to sign it into law. 

This ban on guns on public land will eventually mean all public land including what we hunt on.  Look at Obama's method of operation.  It's always back door, but it is always aimed at the second amendment.  A couple of years ago he was quoted as saying  the constitution was a hindrance to him  This is simply another one of those liberal back door efforts to undermine our constitution, specifically the second amendment.

that scam will cost Holder big time. 

 

Kaptain Said:
I dont think target shooting is allowed on public land in SD. For good reason

State or Federal?

guywhofishes Said:
I don't blame non-shooters for wanting it banned. Most public shooting grounds are totally trashed... dead TVs, shot up furniture, nearby fence posts turned into swiss cheese, shell casings an inch deep, etc.

Disagree. I have never hunted a BLM parcel with shot up TVs and furniture. Maybe seen some signs with a few holes in it. That doesnt help the cause but i've never seen a spot with shell casings an inch thick out in the middle of nowhere Montana or North Dakota, New Mexico, Wyoming, etc...

Anyway, this is just another example of the government taking another one of the publics rights and uses away on OUR land. I'm not sure if I'd like to see the day when people have had enough of our government but I sure like to imagine it sometimes. What a country we've come to live in.

Kaptain Said:
I dont think target shooting is allowed on public land in SD. For good reason

You amaze me with your brilliance.  Please explain your rationale in "good reason"?   If perceived safety is your reason, wouldn't target shooting be more "safe" than hunting?  Targets have the same background where hunting has ever changing back drops etc.