NRA Endorses Pomeroy !?!?!?

 Do you honestly think Pomeroy would vote for any anti-gun legislature as a representative of ND? 

I'm plenty conservative, but when it comes to farming, energy, and guns (hunting, etc) I'm pretty sure any representative of our state knows where to draw the party line.

I thought that too until healthcare passed and other bills that we did not want. I trusted him before but I have lost my trust

iluvswnd Said:
 Do you honestly think Pomeroy would vote for any anti-gun legislature as a representative of ND? 

I'm plenty conservative, but when it comes to farming, energy, and guns (hunting, etc) I'm pretty sure any representative of our state knows where to draw the party line.

Your post makes it obvious you don't follow politics. Remember Clinton's "Assault Weapon Ban"? The one Al Gore as vice president "gleefully" cast the deciding vote to break the tie and put the law into effect? You may want to check and see how the three stooges voted on that one.............

To quote Kent Conrad after sportsmen put the heat on  him for his "YES" vote, "It may not have been the right thing to do, but we have to do something!" Priceless response on his part. Can't wait till someone replaces him in two years.

 

Bowhuntin Said:

iluvswnd Said:
 Do you honestly think Pomeroy would vote for any anti-gun legislature as a representative of ND? 

I'm plenty conservative, but when it comes to farming, energy, and guns (hunting, etc) I'm pretty sure any representative of our state knows where to draw the party line.

Your post makes it obvious you don't follow politics. Remember Clinton's "Assault Weapon Ban"? The one Al Gore as vice president "gleefully" cast the deciding vote to break the tie and put the law into effect? You may want to check and see how the three stooges voted on that one.............

To quote Kent Conrad after sportsmen put the heat on  him for his "YES" vote, "It may not have been the right thing to do, but we have to do something!" Priceless response on his part. Can't wait till someone replaces him in two years.

While in no way to I want to defend any votes that passed the Assault Weapons Ban I just want to note that the language of that bill specifically targeted guns that had large capacities, flash suppressors, or were versions of automatic weapons. This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting.

That said I do look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights. Hopefully they learned their lesson on voting for that sort of legislature when Feinstein tried to get it reinstated and it was defeated 90-8 or something.

P.S. I was like 7 or 8 years old when that was passed so I'm sorry I wasn't up on my voting records of it. 

  iluvswnd,  Pomeroy has voted against guns in the past.  He has seen the handwriting on the wall and isn't stupid.  In the past the NRA only rated him with a "C".  Lately his votes have been much better but it really depends on the issue.  See below for the reasons the NRA gave him an endorsement and an "A" rating.  Berg got an "A" also but doesn't have the voting record.  I wouldn't use this as a reason to vote for Earl.
     What I have noticed is that some Dems have not voted with the crowd at times but the bill passed anyway.   If they didn't need the guys vote they allowed him to oppose it to cater to his home base, but when it came down to the need they went with Pelosi and crowd.  They seemed to find a reason to say it is now 'OK". 
     Our Senators have a dismal voting record on guns.  They are rated D or F. 
I would suggest that you all go to http://www.nra.org
and check out the ratings.  They also have the state candidates.  I found that one of my legislature candidates was rated "F".  (Ben Vig)  
That is really bad for a rural district.  I went through the list and a lot of Dems were rated low but not all. 

THESE ARE THE REASONS POMEROY GOT THE ENDORSEMENT.
(FROM NRA SITE.)

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act -- Cosponsored and voted for the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act that prevents attempts to bankrupt the American gun industry through bogus lawsuits

 

 

District of Columbia Personal Protection Act -- Cosponsored and voted for the Second Amendment Enforcement Act and District of Columbia Personal Protection Act that would repeal the D.C. gun ban/registration statute and restore the right of self-defense to law-abiding residents of our nation's capital

 

 

Heller Case -- Signed the pro-gun congressional "friend of the court" brief in the 2008 Heller case supporting the Second Amendment as an individual right and striking down the gun ban in our nation's capital

 

 

McDonald Case -- Signed the pro-gun congressional "friend of the court" brief in the McDonald case supporting the position that the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that protects all Americans

 

 

Holder Letter -- Signed the letter to Attorney General Eric Holder with 64 other House Democrats expressing opposition to the reenactment of the failed 1994 Clinton ban on semi-automatic firearms and ammunition magazines

 

 

BATFE Reform -- Cosponsored and voted for legislation to force much-needed reform of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE)

 

 

Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act -- Voted for the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act that prohibits gun confiscation during states of emergency as happened after Hurricane Katrina

 

 

Protecting Gun Owners in Bankruptcy Act -- Voted for the Protecting Gun Owners in Bankruptcy Act, which would ensure that a person who filed for bankruptcy would not lose their firearms, thereby maintaining the fundamental right to self-defense

 

 

Right-to-Carry in Parks -- Voted last year for allowing carry license or permit holders to carry and transport firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges

 

 

Hunting Heritage -- Voted to protect hunting, fishing, trapping and recreational shooting on public land managed by the Bureau of Land Management

I called today about this and the person I spoke with explained pretty well in that Pooperboy currently has an A rating with them as well as Berg. It seems that it is the policy of NRA to endorse the incumbent when the rating is tied. I told the person that while I understand why, it would be IMHO more appropriate to endorse both or give no endorsement if there ratings are tied.

No money to the NRA from me.

iluvswnd Said:
 

While in no way to I want to defend any votes that passed the Assault Weapons Ban I just want to note that the language of that bill specifically targeted guns that had large capacities, flash suppressors, or were versions of automatic weapons. This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting.

That said I do look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights. Hopefully they learned their lesson on voting for that sort of legislature when Feinstein tried to get it reinstated and it was defeated 90-8 or something.

P.S. I was like 7 or 8 years old when that was passed so I'm sorry I wasn't up on my voting records of it. 

if you give a mouse a cookie..........


pomeroy is a douchebag

also he said thet he " has no issues with guns used for "hunting""  this leaves a huge door un opened and we all know that the dems (and many republicans) dont give a damn about the constitution or my 2nd amendment right to self preservation.

hes out like a dirty diaper in november

eyexer Said:
No money to the NRA from me.

+10

they got some splainin to do

moosehunter09 Said:

iluvswnd Said:
 

While in no way to I want to defend any votes that passed the Assault Weapons Ban I just want to note that the language of that bill specifically targeted guns that had large capacities, flash suppressors, or were versions of automatic weapons. This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting.

That said I do look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights. Hopefully they learned their lesson on voting for that sort of legislature when Feinstein tried to get it reinstated and it was defeated 90-8 or something.

P.S. I was like 7 or 8 years old when that was passed so I'm sorry I wasn't up on my voting records of it. 

if you give a mouse a cookie..........


pomeroy is a douchebag

also he said thet he " has no issues with guns used for "hunting""  this leaves a huge door un opened and we all know that the dems (and many republicans) dont give a damn about the constitution or my 2nd amendment right to self preservation.

hes out like a dirty diaper in november

He's going to ask for a glass of milk... I hear ya moose.

Thanks for the info guys, like I said I'm not defending the guy I just figured he would be smart enough to know what matters to us when it comes to our 2nd amendment rights.

I guess I wasn't all wrong though if he has been shaping up as election time nears then he isn't really that dumb.

Most of the politicians are lucky that a majority of the people in this country have poor memory's

moosehunter09 Said:

eyexer Said:
No money to the NRA from me.

+10

they got some splainin to do

No money from any of us would send a clear message!!!!

Conrad is the guy I wouldn't trust the most regrding guns.  With John Hoeven in there as another senator, our congressional vote won't go down party lines any more.  It will, but it will at least balance out Conrad. 
Pomeroy?  He might be controllable IF enough of us bother to e-mail, call, etc. and make ourselves heard, because you KNOW that the antis will.  Might makes Right whether we like it or not.   If we are too complacent to make ourselves heard, then we can't complain about the results, though I'm sure we all will!  .  Berg I don't know much about.

iluvswnd Said:
 

Bowhuntin Said:

iluvswnd Said:
 Do you honestly think Pomeroy would vote for any anti-gun legislature as a representative of ND? 

I'm plenty conservative, but when it comes to farming, energy, and guns (hunting, etc) I'm pretty sure any representative of our state knows where to draw the party line.

Your post makes it obvious you don't follow politics. Remember Clinton's "Assault Weapon Ban"? The one Al Gore as vice president "gleefully" cast the deciding vote to break the tie and put the law into effect? You may want to check and see how the three stooges voted on that one.............

To quote Kent Conrad after sportsmen put the heat on  him for his "YES" vote, "It may not have been the right thing to do, but we have to do something!" Priceless response on his part. Can't wait till someone replaces him in two years.

While in no way to I want to defend any votes that passed the Assault Weapons Ban I just want to note that the language of that bill specifically targeted guns that had large capacities, flash suppressors, or were versions of automatic weapons. This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting.

That said I do look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights. Hopefully they learned their lesson on voting for that sort of legislature when Feinstein tried to get it reinstated and it was defeated 90-8 or something.

P.S. I was like 7 or 8 years old when that was passed so I'm sorry I wasn't up on my voting records of it. 

I'm honestly not trying to be too critical of you, but your post is so contradictory it's laughable. As you've already admitted to being a youngster, let me clear the air about something that you're obviously not aware of. The 2nd amendment isn't about the right to hunt, nor has it anything to do with a gun being used for hunting. It is about the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.

For someone to say in the same post that they "look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights.", but to also say "This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting." shows an ignorance of both legislative issues and the constitution itself.

Bowhuntin Said:

iluvswnd Said:
 

Bowhuntin Said:

iluvswnd Said:
 Do you honestly think Pomeroy would vote for any anti-gun legislature as a representative of ND? 

I'm plenty conservative, but when it comes to farming, energy, and guns (hunting, etc) I'm pretty sure any representative of our state knows where to draw the party line.

Your post makes it obvious you don't follow politics. Remember Clinton's "Assault Weapon Ban"? The one Al Gore as vice president "gleefully" cast the deciding vote to break the tie and put the law into effect? You may want to check and see how the three stooges voted on that one.............

To quote Kent Conrad after sportsmen put the heat on  him for his "YES" vote, "It may not have been the right thing to do, but we have to do something!" Priceless response on his part. Can't wait till someone replaces him in two years.

While in no way to I want to defend any votes that passed the Assault Weapons Ban I just want to note that the language of that bill specifically targeted guns that had large capacities, flash suppressors, or were versions of automatic weapons. This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting.

That said I do look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights. Hopefully they learned their lesson on voting for that sort of legislature when Feinstein tried to get it reinstated and it was defeated 90-8 or something.

P.S. I was like 7 or 8 years old when that was passed so I'm sorry I wasn't up on my voting records of it. 

I'm honestly not trying to be too critical of you, but your post is so contradictory it's laughable. As you've already admitted to being a youngster, let me clear the air about something that you're obviously not aware of. The 2nd amendment isn't about the right to hunt, nor has it anything to do with a gun being used for hunting. It is about the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.

For someone to say in the same post that they "look down upon any sort of legislature that limits my 2nd amendment rights.", but to also say "This had nothing to do with guns legal for hunting." shows an ignorance of both legislative issues and the constitution itself.

I accept the criticism, no biggie. If you keep reading I try to clarify and it's really hard to do in type rather than conversation.

The point that I have been trying to make is that a guy would think that these guys would be smart enough to know who their constituents are and vote accordingly on gun rights issues. ( I know it's asking a lot of a politician) He seemed surprised by their endorsement and my point was more so that it shouldn't be a surprise.

Then the issue of the assualt weapons ban came up and my only point there was that bill shouldn't be lumped in together fully with the "people are trying to take my guns away and my ability to hunt, blah blah blah." as that ban was for the sale of guns that frankly most civilians wouldn't have much use for. It's hard to make a comparison without me sounding like I defended the bill or vote, so I know that comes across skewed.

To close, my 2 points I was trying to make is that it shouldn't be a big surprise that he got the endorsement based on his recent voting record, and further I support no legislation that infringes on 2nd amendment rights.

Obomeroy may not be worthy of our trust on most issues important to the Democratic leadership, but I really think he will vote with gun owners.

Bowhuntin,
You are spot on. The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. The Founding Fathers wrote the 2nd Amendment to allow us to be able to defend our lives, our homes, and our country. I highly doubt they would want us to defend our lives with just bolt actions or single shots. They were men who took up arms against a ruling country, and if they could have used AR-15s with high capacity mags, you bet your bottom dollar they would have.

Pomeroy has proven he will vote with the current democratic leadership despite what us North Dakotans think. I believe the only way he'd oppose Obama-Pelosi on any gun control issues is if he is certain it will pass without his vote anyway. This guy, like many others in D.C., don't get it and have been there way too long. NRA's endorsement hurts. I always thought they were a bit more thorough than what I think now.

    iluvswnd, others,
   There seems to be some thinking out there that guns like the AR15 and others like it arn't good sporting weapons.  First of all they are legal for deer hunting.  Not a good choise but legal.   
   Also and more important they have gotten to be very popular for winter coyote hunting.  Yes, you can mount a scope on them.  Myself I can see the use.  You can load up a 20 round mag and not have to worry about reloading for a while when you are out in -20 weather. 
    Also a semi auto is much better for multiple shots at running yotes.  You can keep your eye on the target much better than with a bolt action. 
   

Bushwacker Said:
    iluvswnd, others,
   There seems to be some thinking out there that guns like the AR15 and others like it arn't good sporting weapons.  First of all they are legal for deer hunting.  Not a good choise but legal.   
   Also and more important they have gotten to be very popular for winter coyote hunting.  Yes, you can mount a scope on them.  Myself I can see the use.  You can load up a 20 round mag and not have to worry about reloading for a while when you are out in -20 weather. 
    Also a semi auto is much better for multiple shots at running yotes.  You can keep your eye on the target much better than with a bolt action. 
   

a 223 might not be the best choice for deer, but theres nothing wrong with an AR in 308 or 243 or pretty much anything bigger than 223. Hunting wise, there isnt anything a bolt, pump, lever, or single shot can do that an AR type rifle cant

The NRA obviously developed a set of standards to rate all politicians so people couldn't accuse them of bias. Pomeroy now fit into those parameters to obtain an (A). I have no doubt that Pomeroy would vote against gun rights if he had the deciding vote, and I have no doubt the NRA knows this also, its just with there parameters they had to call an A an A. The thing I don't agree with is that both candidates received an A, so they give the nod to the incumbent. I won't stop my membership but I will send a letter explaining my concern so that hopefully in the future they give some weight to the fact that a politician has a poor voting history. The NRA is the only hope we have in not losing gun ownership rights.