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Now illegal to not hire criminals????

by , Posted to on 03/24/2011 06:50 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 01/09/2002
Location: ND

Interesting story.


Help wanted — sixty-five million need not apply

By Zachary Roth
 
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In 2008, Johnny Magee, who is developmentally disabled, was laid off from his landscaping job in Livermore, California, thanks to government budget cuts. He applied for a new position as a garden center attendant at a nearby Lowe's Home Improvement store. Despite his prior experience, Magee wasn't hired. Why? A background check had turned up a 1999 misdemeanor conviction, stemming from an incident in which he unknowingly picked up a package for his uncle that contained drugs. Later that year, Magee's conviction was dismissed—but that was too late for him to get the job at Lowe's.

Sixty-five million Americans—or one in four adults—have a criminal record. But employers—including major companies like Bank of America, Omni Hotel, and Domino's Pizza—routinely post job ads on Craigslist that explicitly exclude such applicants, according to a new report conducted by the National Employment Law Center (NELP), a labor-affiliated advocacy group.

The practice appears in some cases to be against the law, and at a time of record long-term joblessness, advocates for the poor say it places yet another obstacle in front of people like Magee, who are working to get their life back on track. In addition, there's widespread agreement that helping those with criminal records to find stable employment is crucial for preventing recidivism and preventing future crime. Indeed, that's the reason that the government runs programs designed to make it easier for ex-offenders to find work.

Perhaps most important, effectively making more than one quarter of the American workforce unemployable may be an unsustainable policy for the economy as whole.

"Candidates must be able to pass: background check (no felonies or misdemeanors)," reads one ad placed by the bailed-out banking giant Bank of America. "Do not apply with any misdemeanors/felonies," warns another. And one study last year found that 92 percent of employers said they screen some or all applicants for criminal records.

Many employers use outside companies that specialize in background checks—a fast-growing industry—to help screen out applicants with criminal records. A 2009 investigation by the state of New York found that RadioShack, working with the background check firm ChoicePoint, created a system that asked applicants  "Have you been convicted of a felony in the past 7 years?" and automatically rejected anyone who answered "yes."

Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans, the practice may violate the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits race-based hiring discrimination. Indeed, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has said that although considering an applicant's criminal record may be acceptable on a case-by-case basis, an "absolute bar to employment" for such people is illegal.

Last year, plaintiffs brought at least five major civil rights lawsuits against large employers on the issue, but the National Employment Law Project wants the EEOC to enforce the law more vigorously. A spokeswoman for the agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Lookout.

Still, the practice looks likely to grow only more common: Thanks to the tight labor market—there are currently five unemployed workers for every job opening—employers can be especially choosy about who they hire. Indeed, as we've reported, the EEOC is currently looking into another problem with similar roots: hiring discrimination against the unemployed.

(AP Photo/Ed Zurga: Lamar Brooks, right, scans the help wanted ads in the newspaper for a job while friend Harold Hagans looks on May , 2006, in Kansas City, Mo. Brooks, released in April 2006 after serving five years in a federal prison on drug charges, said that most people, when they hear he's a felon don't give him a chance.)

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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 07:28 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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As a fan of Shawshank; maybe it is due to the fact that Norton and Hadley  have all the crooks working in a program. As for the rest; a simple request for a green card might do the trick. I guess I would like to know what you consider "Day Labor?"  I personally was a victim of Rent-A-Kid.

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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 07:30 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 07:59 AM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 08:32 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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A felony I get it but a misdemeanor?  That could be as simple as a traffic ticket.
 




 
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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 08:41 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have done work seeking expungements for young adults who are denied employment for some pretty ridculous and petty offenses.  Let me give you one example:

A 19-year-old college student rents an apartment near campus.  His friends come over to have a few "frosty beverages."  Soon it becomes a typical college party.  Sometime during that night, someone brings a picnic table into his yard from the park located across the street.  The next day, the police see the picnic table in the yard and charge him with misdemeanor receiving stolen property.  The prosecutor offers him a deal for a small fine and no jail time, which the young kid accepts and thinks this is the end of it. 

Fast-forward 3 years, he graduated from a fine university with an accounting degree.  Guess what????  You can't work in the finance sector with any "crime of dishonesty" on your record (regardless of the level of offense).  This kid basically had a worthless degree that he spent 4 years and $100K tuition to get.  By the time he came to me, he had been denied 4 jobs where the employer told him they wanted to hire him, but they couldn't because of that conviction.  He had absolutely nothing else on his record. 

This is not an isolated incident.  I have seen several cases like this.  I hope it sheds some light on what this article is talking about.  I certainly understand some crimes should prevent you from getting certain jobs, but some of these rules are simply ridiculous. 
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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 10:30 AM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
A former employer of mine had work rules, that would not allow employment of anyone convicted of a felony, and would mean automatic termination if the felony happened during the course of your employment. At the same time, they were applying for an application, to farm some odds and ends work, to the North Dakota State Department of Corrections, basically allowing felons to do work which, by their own work rules, prohibited their own employees from doing.
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 11:04 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
"Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans,"

I find this part of the article interesting and enlightening and not that surprising.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 12:42 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
We should make Iraq a modern version of England's Australia! Send all the chomos and violent criminals there with a one way ticket!
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 4:18 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 11/15/2006
Location: ND
I no I hired criminals. I dont really care. Most of them arent reliable but when they show up they usually work hard. I dont have them doing nothing special usally just running a shovel and wheel barrow. The worst is when its pay day and the indians get paid and say they are running to the bank and never come back lol. But they show up monday monring broker then they where on friday.
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/24/2011 5:15 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Meelosh Said:
"Because discriminating against those with criminal records disproportionately hurts African Americans,"

I find this part of the article interesting and enlightening and not that surprising.
This statement is just plain fuggin ridiculous if  you ask me. So if someone is black with a record a mile long, I should ignore the mile long record and concentrate more on the fact that they are black so I don't descriminate? I'm not going to hire a criminal no matter what thier skin color is, but if a majority of them are black that is just too goddamn bad! A criminal is a criminal. Give me someone who can read, write, and speak English clearly and correctly and can prove themselves to be responsible and trustworthy and I'll hire them...also regardless of skin color.
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/25/2011 3:12 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
  I think you misunderstood me Dirty. I just find it humorous that it effects Africa-American peoples at a higher rate. I just wonder why that is.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke

"The time at which I stand before you is full of interest. The eyes of all nations are fixed on our Republic. The event of the existing crisis will be decisive in the opinion of mankind of the practicability of our federal system of government. Great is the stake placed in our hands; great is the responsibility which must rest upon the people of the United States. Let us realize the importance of the attitude in which we stand before the world. Let us exercise forbearance and firmness. Let us extricate our country from the dangers which surround it and learn wisdom from the lessons they inculcate."


-Andrew Jackson, 2nd Inaugural address, 1833
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/26/2011 09:32 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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No I understood you, meelosh. I picked up on that statement just like you did when you read that article and I totally hear what you are saying. That sentence sure does say a lot about a lot.
Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/26/2011 10:15 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Tim Sandstrom Said:

A felony I get it but a misdemeanor?  That could be as simple as a traffic ticket.
 

I agree.   A midsdeameanor is ridiculous.   Most people make a mistake or two especially in their younger years.

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Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/26/2011 10:17 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Meelosh Said:
  I think you misunderstood me Dirty. I just find it humorous that it effects Africa-American peoples at a higher rate. I just wonder why that is.
According to some like Jessie Jackson it is racial profiling and other bogus reasons.   


"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
“You can roll manure in powered sugar but it still ain’t a jelly donut”

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent



Re: Now illegal to not hire criminals????
by on 03/26/2011 10:24 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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deadidick Said:
I no I hired criminals. I dont really care. Most of them arent reliable but when they show up they usually work hard. I dont have them doing nothing special usally just running a shovel and wheel barrow. The worst is when its pay day and the indians get paid and say they are running to the bank and never come back lol. But they show up monday monring broker then they where on friday.
Ever think of paying your employees monthly?  

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."
“You can roll manure in powered sugar but it still ain’t a jelly donut”

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent



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