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New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Dick Monson , Posted to Fishing Buddy on 08/05/2009 08:15 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Dick Monson
Joined: 05/05/2008
Location: ND

Flooded prairie wetlands are now eligable for a new program under CP-41, with a 10 to 15 year contract, a one time $100 per acre incentive, and a 20% annual payment incentive. The wetland & adjoining area must be less than 20 acres, have a buffer strip, and no more than 40 acres per tract. It must have been cropped 3 of 10 years-1990-2002. Good for wildlife and the environment!

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Tim Sandstrom on 08/05/2009 09:06 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND

Dick,

Can you explain this program a little more?

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by bingo1 on 08/05/2009 09:25 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

bingo1
Joined: 08/04/2009
Location: ND

Sounds like a good program. We would raise more wildlife on smaller 20 to 40 acre parcels in between cropland and pasture than we do on the large 2 to 3 hundred acre crp fields that are all grass and no food sources around.
Dick, do you know what size the pothole would have to be? Would it have to hold water year round or just be a spot that holds water in the spring for a while?

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Farnorth on 08/05/2009 4:49 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Farnorth
Joined: 05/23/2002
Location: ND

This is a new CRP practice that has been out since June. I didn't specifically look to see how it differs from CP23 which is similar but this one does allow cost share for practices that are designed to restore the hydrology of the area including earth moving. That is good as it would increase the possibility of more permanent wetland.

The answer to Bingo's question is that some year-round wetlands would qualify if they have been physically cropped in 3 of 10 years from 1990 to 2002. In some areas, there are places we now consider sloughs that were farmed but without this CP41 practice would not be eligible for CRP. If they dry up, they will be farmed. If enrolled in this program, they will likely turn into permanent wetlands and likely will never be farmed again.

There is no requirement that they are wet all year though. Those areas might be just as valuable for waterfowl production and CRP will tie them up likely forever. Sounds like a good program.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Enslow on 08/05/2009 5:05 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Enslow
Joined: 02/13/2006
Location: ND

Good timing on this one. I suppose they can post this land though

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by cpete2 on 08/05/2009 5:53 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

cpete2
Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND

Spending even more money that we dont have!

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by mauserG33-40 on 08/05/2009 6:04 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

mauserG33-40
Joined: 05/24/2008
Location: Mo

Enslow Said:
Good timing on this one. I suppose they can post this land though

Most private property can be.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Dick Monson on 08/05/2009 7:28 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Dick Monson
Joined: 05/05/2008
Location: ND

The only info I had was from the Farm Service Agency newsletter that I read this morning. I zipped my maps right into the office. This program has a 90,000 acre cap for ND so it's going to max out right away, and for land that qualifies, it's first come first served I was told. The payment is prorated by soil type so in Barnes County the minimum on a 10 year contract would be apx $67 per acre with the incentive payments. You don't bid it in, it is a set payment by productivity. I too like it that they want smaller parcels. Some of the poorer soil types have the same input expense with little $ coming back out. Maybe the feds will save more than this on crop insurance payments.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by cynical on 08/05/2009 10:00 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

cynical
Joined: 10/27/2004
Location: ND

whoopie, another govt program! May as well print some more money and pay somebody for doing nothing.

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Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by mauserG33-40 on 08/05/2009 10:32 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

mauserG33-40
Joined: 05/24/2008
Location: Mo

3XGutshot Said:
whoopie, another govt program! May as well print some more money and pay somebody for doing nothing.

Well I guess there is a proven track record.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by mauserG33-40 on 08/06/2009 05:04 AM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

mauserG33-40
Joined: 05/24/2008
Location: Mo

dieseldog Said:
Hey Mauser Leave the man alone you would do the same thing if it were available to you. Don't hate the player hate the game

I have been and still a land owner,it has been available to me and I never used it.
Everything planted and raised was fed through cattle. It wasn't an attack. Some farmers or ranchers farm the land, others farm the system. The truth is the truth, $237,999 is one hell of a lot of tax payers money.
Farm programs are needed to hold down the cost of food,others are used by some to make a living.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Farnorth on 08/06/2009 07:12 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Farnorth
Joined: 05/23/2002
Location: ND

mauserG33-40 Said:

dieseldog Said:
Hey Mauser Leave the man alone you would do the same thing if it were available to you. Don't hate the player hate the game

I have been and still a land owner,it has been available to me and I never used it.
Everything planted and raised was fed through cattle. It wasn't an attack. Some farmers or ranchers farm the land, others farm the system. The truth is the truth, $237,999 is one hell of a lot of tax payers money.
Farm programs are needed to hold down the cost of food,others are used by some to make a living.

It averages out to about $20,000 per year in this case and includes disaster assistance. FYI, the period analyzed contains some years where survival of Norh Dakota farmers was questionable due to weather and disease (scab).

Before you blow up about this new CRP information, note that it is a "new practice". As far as I can tell, no new funding was authorized but some new rules were added to get some additional land eligible that might not otherwise have been allowed. In my opinion, some of this might be very beneficial to the long term success of CRP for wildlife and conservation. Maybe that isn't important to you but it is to me.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Nanky on 08/06/2009 08:08 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Nanky
Joined: 10/19/2006
Location: ND

It's pretty disgusting to see what some of these farmers get. I grew up with some of their kids, and it was nice seeing how each kid got a brand new truck each year . . . I guess we know where some of that money came from.

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/top_recips1614_fbext.php?fips=38000&progcode=total_dp&yr=mtotal&enttype=indv

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Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Nanky on 08/06/2009 08:14 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Nanky
Joined: 10/19/2006
Location: ND

more food for thought.

http://farm.ewg.org/farm/top_recips.php?fips=38000&progcode=total

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Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Tim Sandstrom on 08/06/2009 09:48 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND

I didn't want this thread to be hijacked but it did and I have to comment.

Any farmer out there that hasn't taken a subsidy payment within the last ten years is one lucky son of a gun. I wanted to use a more explicit word but I refrained.

Times are tough. Subsidies in the ag world are necessary. They are one of the MOST NECESSARY government programs there is. There must be disaster aid available because this isn't a clothing store folks. This isn't a gas station folks. This isn't a fast food industry folks. This is food. Food is the single most important item to any government and to any country's well being. Without aid to the ag industry the country would fail so fast you wouldn't even realize you were going hungry yet.

Now, are their people that farm for the system? Yes, but come on folks. If you want to lump everyone into that then I feel sorry for the judgment you use in everyday life. Just like any government program, cheaters will reside and some will be damn good at it. I know a couple myself and some are very close to me. Do I like it? Well, the answer is no.

Just remember the whole picture folks.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Tim Sandstrom on 08/06/2009 09:50 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Tim Sandstrom
Joined: 07/14/2003
Location: ND

P.S.

The program does have flaws. And every dang decent farmer out there would say they'd rather have fair market prices, lower inputs to their business and the middle man to have to live the life of a roller coaster like them. All of that would mean less subsidies but our government and the world economy has created environments that makes the ag and ranching industry an interesting one.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by espringers on 08/06/2009 11:22 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

espringers
Joined: 07/25/2007
Location: ND

i say get rid of the subsidies all together. let free market volatility run its course and the great farmers of this state will finally get paid what their product is worth. in turn, so will everyone who makes their living off of the ag industry. when it comes to crop/disaster insurance, just pay into private insurance companies like everyone else. this state feeds the world (like the middle east fuels the world) and if the free market was allowed to operate like it does with most other unsubsidized commodities, people would be forced to pay more than 10% of thier budget for thier food and north dakota would be the richest state in the union. imho, in the end, the real beneficiaries of the farm subsidies are not the farmers. the beneficiaries are the american taxpayer because they are guaranteed a cheap food supply. certainly worth arguing about. but, that is my $.02 and it would take a heck of an argument to change my mind.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Farnorth on 08/06/2009 11:42 AM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Farnorth
Joined: 05/23/2002
Location: ND

espringers Said:
i say get rid of the subsidies all together. let free market volatility run its course and the great farmers of this state will finally get paid what their product is worth. in turn, so will everyone who makes their living off of the ag industry. when it comes to crop/disaster insurance, just pay into private insurance companies like everyone else. this state feeds the world (like the middle east fuels the world) and if the free market was allowed to operate like it does with most other unsubsidized commodities, people would be forced to pay more than 10% of thier budget for thier food and north dakota would be the richest state in the union. imho, in the end, the real beneficiaries of the farm subsidies are not the farmers. the beneficiaries are the american taxpayer because they are guaranteed a cheap food supply. certainly worth arguing about. but, that is my $.02 and it would take a heck of an argument to change my mind.

The subsidies are not the problem. They exist because of all the restraints to free trade. So, basically, the flaw in your argument is that you don't say anything about eliminating all of the duties, tariffs, import and export quotas, etc that have caused our farm program to bloom into the beaurocracy that it is.

Tim said it right, every farmer I know would love to produce a crop for a fair price without interference and forget about getting any checks from the government. As long as other countries subsidize their agriculture and create an unlevel playing field, that won't happen.

The key thing you said is that thre real beneficiaries of the farm program are not the farmers. They are the ordinary people of this country and one other group. BIG AGRIBUSINESSES that make billions of dollars. Why did anhydrous fertilizer go from $500 per ton to $1500 when commodity prices were high?

Ultimately, a major overhaul is necessary because the American Farmer is like an indentured servant to big business and political interests. The problem is that it won't be a simple fix and it won't be without major controversy. I have serious doubts if it will ever happen because too much money and power is at stake.

Don't ever forget that lack of food and uneven distribution has brought down governments in the past and millions of people have died including the people in power. The people in charge are well aware of that. You can pacify poor people. Hungry people are never happy.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by cpete2 on 08/06/2009 11:44 AM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

cpete2
Joined: 01/08/2002
Location: ND

It is high time to cull the weak from the herd. The ones that cant make it and make poor decisions should be allowed to fall by the wayside and those that produce allowed to rise to the top. In case of disaster, well, you really should have done the smart thing and bought insurance, just like everybody else. Time to end the bailouts and free lunches for EVERYBODY.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by ggenthusiast on 08/06/2009 12:00 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

ggenthusiast
Joined: 09/11/2002
Location: ND

Tim Sandstrom Said:

Any farmer out there that hasn't taken a subsidy payment within the last ten years is one lucky son of a gun. I wanted to use a more explicit word but I refrained.

Ranchers get little to no subisidy money, and they run their operations on land that is typically marginal in terms of yield/tonage per acre. Its hard for some to come to terms with, but in many cases great Grandpa was a fool for plowing up the land. And we're still paying for it. Subsidies are keeping much non-profitable farmland in production. As far as disaster payments, why are they needed when there is such a thing as crop insurance? They're handed out whenever yield are below the "average", but never paid back when yields are above the "average". Too many think they have a "right" to farm come hell or high water. Sorry, in my opinion, if an operation can't pay the bills, its not my fault.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

Re: New Farmable Wetland Program / CP-41

by Farnorth on 08/06/2009 12:13 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Farnorth
Joined: 05/23/2002
Location: ND

Ranchers need to be careful what they ask for. The effect of past agricultural and trade policy has been to keep commodity prices low. Ask cattle feeders how they like $2 corn vs $8 corn. And don't think that doesn't matter to the cow/calf guy because he eventually has to sell those calves.

Like I said, there won't be any simple solutions. Sorry, walking away is not an option and program payments are not a free lunch for producers.

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