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Thanks for making my point gst! You will not let it go!!!! YOU and others LIKE YOU are the poster carrying people!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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ron, might I suggest you go back to the very begining of this thread and start reading?

You spent how much time denying it was about political cronyism and corruption and claiming it was all about Bundy.

How many times did you and others deny it was about personal property rights thru the water rights laws of these western states and claimed rather it was about Bundy?

How many times did you and others like plaisnamn and longshot try to deny it was about enviromental groups just like the ones trying to change our states constitution that were behind actions back in the 90 til now and instead want to blame Bundy and call him a thief and every other thing?

Like I said ron, if you want to take a step back and be honest.........................33 pages of you and your cronies from Nodak denying every other fact presented and ALWAYS taking it back to one rancher and "grazing fees" is hard to deny ron.



so ron, answer this one question, what is this issue in Nevada all about?

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 FIGURE IT OUT RON!! GEEZ   

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In retrospect:

The ranchers pay a fee for grass and water rights and the money goes into a fund to the BLM to help manage. Bundy says they are not helping and refused to pay the money directly to them or sign their lease agreement. $10,000 dollars or after twenty years $200,000. For that he is a theif.

Sportmen pay a fee to hunt and the money goes into a special fund to the Game and Fish to better manage the resource. If the G/F spent the money to do away with hunting, who would not be upset? How many would continue to purchase a license?

Sportsmen also pay into the Pitt Robertson Act when they purchase guns and ammo. The money goes into a special fund to better manage the resource. What if $60,000 million dollars was missing?

http://www.lobowatch.org/adminclient/WolfControl6/go

 In the eyes of many who have witnessed this wildlife disaster, topping the list is the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. We now know that when Congress denied funding for capturing Canadian wolves and transplanting them into Wyoming, Montana and Idaho, USFWS literally stole the money needed for the project from the excise taxes sportsmen paid on firearms, ammunition, archery equipment and fishing gear, through what is known as the Pitman-Robertson Act. These funds are to be used exclusively for wildlife habitat and fisheries improvement. USFWS helped itself to somewhere between $60- and $70-million dollars to finance several unauthorized uses - including the funding needed to dump wolves back into the Northern Rockies ecosystem.

Right there with USFWS is a long list of anti-hunting "environmental" organizations, including the Defenders of Wildlife, the Sierra Club, the Humane Society of the United States, and a few dozen others. These groups have learned to use wolf impact on big game populations as a tool to put an end to hunting. Without a surplus of big game, there's no need for hunters. It's that simple. And one former upper echelon USFWS division chief, who blew the whistle on the theft of millions from Pitman-Robertson funds, also says that USFWS has entered into under-the-table agreements with the environmentalists - those who want more wolves, and fewer hunters.

OK you FBO half cracks, where is the outrage?

Bill Clinton appointed Jamie Rappaport Clark to director of the US Fish and Wildlife Service and now she is president of Defenders of Wildlife. Yes, these non-profits are surrogates of the fed/gov.

Somebody stole $60 million bucks from the sportsmen and yet here we are 32 pages debating whether or not Bundy is a theif because he  wouldn't pay them the $10,000 per year to mis-manage. Beam me up.

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Ryan Bundy explains their range rights.  Very interesting interview.

www.youtube.com/watch

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I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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 #CREDIBILITY

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sdwxman Said:
 #CREDIBILITY

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plainsamn is talking about "beware of the land grab" but he never mentions the "peoples" land being "grabbed" for development and sale.

He never mentions the govt "grabbing" private lands.

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plainsamn is talking about "beware of the land grab" but he never mentions the "peoples" land being "grabbed" for development and sale.

He never mentions the govt "grabbing" private lands.

I'm sure Eric Holder is about to dig into this....yeah right.

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In a neighboring county to the Bundy Ranch, ranchers in Elko County Nevada are facing similar threat with BLM land grabs in the near future using the "endangered species", and discuss Bundy Ranch standoff at around the halfway mark of 2:00.

One commissioner states that he believes that Mr. Bundy would have won his case in court if he would have presented it like Wayne Hage.

elkocounty.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php
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 pber Said:

In a neighboring county to the Bundy Ranch, ranchers in Elko County Nevada are facing similar threat with BLM land grabs in the near future using the "endangered species", and discuss Bundy Ranch standoff at around the halfway mark of 2:00.

One commissioner states that he believes that Mr. Bundy would have won his case in court if he would have presented it like Wayne Hage.

elkocounty.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php

Ranchers in Elko County may be facing BLM problems, but Elko County is on I 80 in eastern Nevada and is probably 200+ miles from Bundy's land.  Not that the distance separating the 2 issues doesn't make this relevant, Elko just is not close to Bundy's ranch.

Steve.

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RSL Stated:  Ranchers in Elko County may be facing BLM problems, but Elko County is on I 80 in eastern Nevada and is probably 200+ miles from Bundy's land.  Not that the distance separating the 2 issues doesn't make this relevant, Elko just is not close to Bundy's ranch.

Yes, maybe not the right choice of words.  I cut and paste that from another article, but if you listen to the testimony by the guests and commissioners in attendance many of them know Mr. Bundy personally and one was even at the ranch during the BLM onslaught and left and contacted the governor.  So the counties may be separated by other counties but the distance does not seem matter in the people knowing each other, I imagine much like us here in North Dakota. 

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cynical Said:

gst Said:
plainsamn is talking about "beware of the land grab" but he never mentions the "peoples" land being "grabbed" for development and sale.

He never mentions the govt "grabbing" private lands.

I'm sure Eric Holder is about to dig into this....yeah right.

And there in is a symption of the disease. If, in a Constitutional Republic, the top law enforcement official is allowed to get way with ignoring the rule of law to the extent we now see it happening..................................but hey, people would rather blame a rancher and focus on grazing fees.

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When the grazing associations tried to get the Forest Service to implement their power/land grab right here in the Badlands of North Dakota they destroyed all trust for me and many people I talk with.  The Sagebrush Rebellion does the same on a national basis.  People are willing to hate the government, but they feel like they are between a rock and a hard spot because they don't trust people associated with the Sagebrush Rebellion either.  I think most would like to see the ranchers involved and the BLM both loose this power struggle.

Maybe it's a government plan.  Nothing like the Sagebrush Rebellion to get people to support the government.  I don't like big government power grabs myself, but given the choice between them and the Sagebrush Rebellion I'll go with the one that insures my ability to keep using that land for recreation.  

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#befuddlement, may those keeping this thread alive log out and peacefully submit themselves for a psychiatric evaluation.  Things can and do get better.  Don't throw away your lives.  Good luck and Good day!

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Plainsman,

What are you talking about in North Dakota? This?

http://www.rangemagazine.com/archives/stories/winter00/threatening.htm

The proposed management plan will impose restrictions on every single user of the Grasslands. Ranchers, hunters, sightseers, birdwatchers, hikers, mountain bikers, trail riders, campers, and more use these lands. The Grasslands are known as the “Land of Many Uses.” Your comments can help ensure they remain that way. The Forest Service needs to hear from YOU!

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Plainsman Said:
When the grazing associations tried to get the Forest Service to implement their power/land grab right here in the Badlands of North Dakota they destroyed all trust for me and many people I talk with.  The Sagebrush Rebellion does the same on a national basis.  People are willing to hate the government, but they feel like they are between a rock and a hard spot because they don't trust people associated with the Sagebrush Rebellion either.  I think most would like to see the ranchers involved and the BLM both loose this power struggle.

Maybe it's a government plan.  Nothing like the Sagebrush Rebellion to get people to support the government.  I don't like big government power grabs myself, but given the choice between them and the Sagebrush Rebellion I'll go with the one that insures my ability to keep using that land for recreation.  

plainsman always makes claims like this. He made this one awhile ago claiming the ranching associations here in ND were trying to be able to charge people to hunt on the Badlands.

He was asked to provide some sort of proof to back up his allegations. Remember that bruce?

Funny thing is he never provides any proof to back up these claims he makes.

plainsman, do you support the states ability to explore the possibility the Constitution does not allow the Federal govt to own these lands?

Bruce if it is at some point proven in court that the Constitution allows for the States to gain control of these lands back will you support that?

 

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FireMarshallBill Said:
#befuddlement, may those keeping this thread alive log out and peacefully submit themselves for a psychiatric evaluation.  Things can and do get better.  Don't throw away your lives.  Good luck and Good day!

indeed it is "craziness" to continue to point out govt over reach and unlawful actions while holding those that seek to dismiss and distract from it accountable for their bullshit claims.

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