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NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition

by , Posted to on 03/31/2009 09:38 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND

North Dakota Wildlife Federation /ETREE March 30 / ‘09

Your individual contact to your State Senator will affect the outcome of a extremely important vote. Your personal involvement is needed now.

There is an effort underway in the ND Senate to remove authorization in House Bill-1017, the budget for the Game and Fish Department, for land acquisition for public hunting. The line item stricken by amendment is in the amount of $800,000 and would have been primarily used to finish land purchases around existing Wildlife Management Areas. This is your license money you have already paid into NDGF.

A few Senators feel that North Dakota should not have more public hunting ground.

Contact your State Senator now for a NO vote on HB-1017. Let them know you want this NDGF appropriation for land acquisition reinstated in HB-1017 immediately. The HB-1017 should not pass without the land acquisition line item at $800,000 as originally submitted by the Governor and NDGF. 

Game and Fish doesn’t own this land—the public does and they have the right to utilize it for hunting/fishing/other recreational pursuit type purposes. These land purchases are public assets. North Dakota ranks 33rd in the nation for public access acres. By the end of this year one million acres of CRP will have disappeared from the ND landscape, making public ground more important than ever for hunting. Both hunting and tourism will be negatively affected by less public land.

 

Please forward this etree to your friends now.

 

This link will give you the map info for your district to contact your Senator:

http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/maps-new-district/index.html

 

The email addresses below can be selected, copied, and pasted into the address line of your email.

This link will give you email contact info for all Senators: http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-2009/senate/members/

 

To leave messages for legislators dial toll-free 888-635-3447, or 328-3373 in the Bismarck-Mandan area.

Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 03/31/2009 09:52 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I second the idea to contact your appropriate representatives and senators whether you are for or against.

Maybe I am a little bitter but is see "Both hunting and tourism will be negatively affected by less public land."

Quite honestly, it is clear we do not are about tourism in the state with the defeat of monies for better road conditions around Sakakawea.  I'm a little curious what the fate of this bill will be?




 
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Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 03/31/2009 11:34 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
The "tourism" mention automatically conjures up thoughts of outfitters, etc.  I realize that BUT:
There's a lot of tourism that has nothing to do with hunting and fishing but would benefit from this.  One example - You'd be amazed at the number of birders that come to ND, and the number of B & B's and motels that cater to them.  Check out some of those sites and see for yourselves.  Birders alone contribute a surprising lot to the ND economy.  I was surprised, too.  I like birds as part of the outdoor experience but I wouldn't personally spend a lot of money going somewhere just to see them.  But thousands of people do!   These are only a small number of other things that benefit form some degree of 'tourism!'   Kind of like Ronnie Reagan's 'trickle down' effect.   
Yeah, guided hunting is part of it, but definitely not the entire story.   Loss of CRP and tough winters will knock down the guiding anyway.   What we gain from this legisiation will outweigh what we lose.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 03/31/2009 5:32 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Hey Tim, I like the new format of FBO! Pretty snappy.

In regards to the Land Acquisition line item; it was already in the NDGF budget (HB-1017). The bill you spoke of for road construction was put in as a bill from outside the NDGF Department. The House passed HB-1017 with 90 votes for it and only 2 against which a strong consensus. Then a couple Senators threw a wrench in the gears.

North Dakota ranks 33rd out of the 50 states for public land. The bottom third. And there is one million acres of North Dakota CRP that will gone by the end of this year. Most of these proposed purchases were "rounding out" existing WMAs and many of us depend on public land for huting. As far as hunting tourism there is alot of it that is seperate from outfitters. Both consuptive and nonconsuptive.

This line item needs to be restored before the budget is passed.


Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 03/31/2009 5:35 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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FIshermen need to pay attention here also.  These purchases are not just for Wildlife Management Areas.  At least one involves land that will allow a boating access site in the Pelican Lake area of Devils Lake.  We need to get involved and tell our legislators to let G&F manage G&F.

Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 03/31/2009 9:57 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Pelican lake boat access. Mmmmm. I am down with that. Our current options are not very good.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 03/31/2009 11:10 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Who are the couple senators who "threw the wrench in the gears"?

You can't aim a duck to death.

Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/01/2009 1:52 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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the excessive deer tags  issued in 3A1   for the past 10 years will  almost take care of the money needed.   30,000 tags  X  $20.00 =   $600,000.00  


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Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/01/2009 3:42 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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he, he, he If nothing else your consistent HH.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/02/2009 07:33 AM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The bill passed through the Appropriations Committee yesterday, as amended to strike out land acquisitions for NDGF. It will be up for a floor vote soon. Contact your senator now. Snooze, you lose.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/02/2009 2:16 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: MT
I know this is not to popular, but isn’t kind of ironic that the Wildlife Federation is pushing this rather than work with land owners like they failed to do last summer concerning the CRP haying. Now they claim that the government must purchase additional land to protect everyone’s hunting rights. Something smells a little here. They claim that 1 million acres will be coming out of CRP this year yet the USDA website shows only 249,186 acres for 09. Nothing like stretching the truth a bit.
 
Now don’t get me wrong, I didn’t say I was against the bill, just pointing out some of the scare tactics being used. I do think the Fish and Game could do a better job of managing the taxpayer monies they are given though. For example if indeed access is needed in the Pelican Lake area couldn’t an easement be purchased for a fraction of the cost of the property. When it comes to purchasing land $800,000 is not very much money. 
 
Enough arm chair quarterbacking………Think Spring!
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/02/2009 2:58 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dick,

Yeah I understood where these bills came from.  I was just ribbing the folks that hated the idea of enhancing Sakakawea access.

Good news is HB 1514 passed.




 
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Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/02/2009 5:18 PM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I think the amount of ground in WMAs is about 2/10 of 1% in North Dakota. Doesn't seem like an extreme amount. To most people.

About the last hope to reinstate the land acquisition portion of the budget is an amendment from the Senate floor. For that to happen sportmen have to contact their Senators now. Nobody else will do it.

Regarding the CRP situation last summer, the North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not participate in the NWF lawsuit to block haying. The NDWF did not condone the suit and told National that haying could in fact be good for the wildlife habitat of CRP. The ND Stockman's Asc. was very explicit explaining to the public that NDWF was not a part of that lawsuit.
 
The 1 million acre drop in CRP is by the end of '09, not in '09. ND had apx. 3 million acres at the height of the signup.

Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/02/2009 6:42 PM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dsmith, what taxpayer money goes to the NDG&F?

I too am alittle confused about the sudden interest the NDWF has in the G&F budget. Alittle digging is in order
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/02/2009 7:55 PM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dick, check out the USDA numbers at; http://content.fsa.usda.gov/crpstorpt/rmepegg/MEPEGGR1.HTM   The acres in CRP at the end of 09 are the same as 10-1-09 the start of USDA’s new year. I stand by my previous statement, if not outright lying; they are doing a good job of stretching the truth. Personally I don’t like the PETA style tactics the NWF and their affiliates have started to use in the last few years.   If you choose to support this bill, you should do it on facts not lies or scare tactics.
 
Hunter, the NDG&F is not a stand alone business; they must receive funds from someplace. Check out where the $800,000 they are asking for now is coming from.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/03/2009 8:16 PM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The land acquisition for NDGF did not pass the Senate and should now go to conference committee. (2 different versions passed) If the House AC concurs it's all over. If not they'll have to compromise and revote. My guess anyway. 

There is something else going on behind the scenes here on 1017 that we are not aware off. And the public is going to suffer for it. As usual.

dsmith, we have similiar spreadsheets on CRP but not quite. If I could figure out how to copy and paste here I would. You and I are not talking about exactly the same thing though, no problem.  Be glad to email to you if you want it.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/04/2009 07:30 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dick Monson Said:
I think the amount of ground in WMAs is about 2/10 of 1% in North Dakota. Doesn't seem like an extreme amount. To most people.

About the last hope to reinstate the land acquisition portion of the budget is an amendment from the Senate floor. For that to happen sportmen have to contact their Senators now. Nobody else will do it.

Regarding the CRP situation last summer, the North Dakota Wildlife Federation did not participate in the NWF lawsuit to block haying. The NDWF did not condone the suit and told National that haying could in fact be good for the wildlife habitat of CRP. The ND Stockman's Asc. was very explicit explaining to the public that NDWF was not a part of that lawsuit.
 
The 1 million acre drop in CRP is by the end of '09, not in '09. ND had apx. 3 million acres at the height of the signup.


Dick is this some of ND Stockman being very explicit?

Hunters could feel chill this fall

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Sep 07, 2008 - 04:05:23 CDT

Bismarck Tribune

(This is the first in a two-part series on the Conservation Reserve Program. Today's story looks at the issue of releasing CRP acres for haying. Monday's story looks at why farmers and ranchers are leaving the program.)

By LAUREN DONOVAN

RURAL TAYLOR - Marc Fridley rolled up hay the texture of stale shredded breakfast cereal.

Dry and crunchy, baled in the high heat of mid-August, it'll take the edge off his cows' appetite when it gets cold outside. It won't offer much nutrition. The bloom is long off the alfalfa by now.

Fridley wishes he hadn't had to wait until August to make 500 or so hay bales on Conservation Reserve Program acres, belonging to a landowner on the south side of the Heart River. He's grateful to get it, don't get him wrong. But he's frustrated that the government opened up emergency haying Aug. 2, weeks after prime hay time, which ideally starts back in June.

Fridley said he'll be thinking of that dried-up hay when hunters come to his rural Taylor farm this fall. A lawsuit filed by the National Wildlife Federation prevented the USDA from opening up millions of CRP acres for haying in a proposed critical use program to help livestock producers deal with the drought and high feed costs.

"Anybody who shows up from those hunting organizations that supported this lawsuit, I'll turn them down," he said.

Fridley said he's already sold off 50 cow-calf pairs and hopes he can scrounge up enough feed to keep his remaining 250 cows through the winter.

The North Dakota chapter of the National Wildlife Federation did not join the lawsuit, which argued that the USDA needed an environmental assessment before making such a sweeping change to reserve acres and wildlife habitat.

The USDA wanted to let landowners apply for critical need use, rather than limit haying to acres already in a hay management program.

A separate lawsuit by the National Wildlife Federation in 2006 resulted in more restrictive rules for CRP hay management. Now, on new contracts, hay can only be cut once every 10 years, rather than every three years.

Even without the latest lawsuit, it's not likely North Dakota would have been opened for haying any earlier.

Jay Hochhalter is the CRP specialist for USDA's Fargo statewide office.

He said about half of the county Farm Service Agency committees requested that the USDA open haying earlier than Aug. 2 in North Dakota.

But that date is considered the end of the primary nesting season for game birds.

It's a long-established date set by the state office, which partners on that issue with a number of agencies and groups, including North Dakota Game and Fish Department, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and others.

Hochhalter said CRP hay - like any hay - does lose quality after July 1.

The intent of the program is to conserve land, protect water quality and thus provide habitat for wildlife.

"This is not a hay-management program," Hochhalter said. "The terms (for haying) are set out, and if people want to use it, fine; if not, that's their decision. Those partners have looked favorably on emergency haying and hopefully people understand that the North Dakota chapter was not in favor of the lawsuit."

Jay Elkin farms north of Taylor and serves on the statewide FSA committee.

It's his impression that despite many requests made to and by county FSA committees, any talk of opening haying before Aug. 2 was pre-empted by the lawsuit.

He said that date is too late - "impractically late" - in any case. He suggests the state's congressional delegation would have to be involved in a permanent change.

"This is about the National Wildlife Federation wanting to control haying for their own needs," Elkin said. "The nesting season is pretty well over by July 15, especially this year, when it's been so dry. We're cutting our own hay in June and by early July, the birds have already hatched out."

Tom France, attorney and a member of the National Wildlife Federation resource staff, said it's not right - and the court agreed - for the USDA to "walk around the law," when Congress intended the program to enhance soil conservation, wildlife and water quality.

He said the Aug. 2 date when haying is allowed on CRP in North Dakota has been in place for going on 15 years.

"It does reflect the biological realities out there," France said. "It's probably the right date. I know the science hasn't changed in 15 years."

Elkin said he thinks many producers are soured by the lawsuit intervention, for whatever difference it may or may not have made in North Dakota. He, too, believes hunters may feel more than autumn's chill in the air when they look for hunting access this fall.

"They (producers) don't believe a lot of these wildlife interests are seeing the importance of the producer on the land," Elkin said. "They're more concerned about wildlife than human life."[/quote]
 
 
 
 







 
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/05/2009 12:17 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dick, I have to plead ignorance as to your affiliation to the NDWF however, I must commend you for being involved in the political process even if we choose to disagree. I am always interested in the other guys point of view, however as a past USDA employee I feel fairly confident in the USDA website numbers. As part of my job included uploading these numbers I am familiar with the process. I know a lot of private groups do use these same numbers and are able to show different results, however none can do this without some modification. In order to make the claim that 1 million CRP acres will go out this year the NDWF had to do this and it was not the first time I witnessed it.
 
This is just personal opinion and open to debate, but I feel ND should be proud of being in the lower third of government owned land. There are many options available to improving recreational access besides taking land out of production through government purchases. It seems that many organizations today fail to see this.
 
NWF and their affiliates had a hot potato going last year that they should have dropped. As a result of their actions everyone involved in recreation will suffer. Last winter I attended a USDA meeting in NE MT concerning the new farm bill. (they usually have doughnuts) I was amazed at how much money is available to MT farmers for improving wildlife habitat, however not a single one signed up for any of it. They all were remembering what NWF did last summer. Perhaps some of the ND senators are remembering the same thing.
 
Well, enough ranting…I’m ready for spring.
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/05/2009 4:29 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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dsmith, again, no problem, that's fine. My involvement with NDWF is as a member of the Barnes County Wildllife Federation. Many of us in the club are farmers (old) and have seen the worst and best of hunting & fishing in ND; and we want to pass on the best of it to the next generation. Our club has 500 + members. Our mission is a host of projects that go beyond social activities and legislative awarness is one of those. The NDWF is composed of about a dozen local wildlife clubs like ours. We are hosting the Advisory meeting in VC next Tuesday nite at the VFW and serving chili. Everybody welcome!

I understand how some don't like the government owning productive land. The ground to be purchased is primarily wetlands to square off existing WMAs. Cattails and marshs aren't in great demand by farmers though. I don't know where others hunt but here in Barnes County and close by, public land like WMAs and WPAs is one of the major draws for hunting. Every year there is less access through habitat loss, posting, etc. If hunting is to be preserved then access to habitat must be preserved.  Everyone is  aware of wetland losses across the state. That habitat is unlikely to ever be brought back. Saving a little remaining native grass and marsh ground seems like a desireable idea.

HB-1017 is moving forward to conference committee next week. They are going to vote not on what we need next hunting season for ourselves, but on the future needs of hunting.

Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/06/2009 08:50 AM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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dsmith,

You are incorrect, the Game and Fish Department is a stand alone entity, at least as far as the ND taxpayer is concerned. The department is entirely funded by license dollars from hunters, angler, trappers, etc, as well as their share of federal excise taxes on the gear and equipment those hunters and anglers purchase. Not a single dollar of state tax revenue goes to the Game and Fish budget.

That brings up the question: Why should the legislature have budget oversight in the first place?

What this amounts to is a handful of legislators/constituents are holding YOUR money hostage because they do not like the way G&F is managing YOUR land. The lessees, which are farmers/ranchers, don't like being told when they can hay YOUR land, how YOU can access it, and other management decisions. They don't want G&F, or any state, federal or private conservation organization to purchase a single acre of land. I received an email from one legislator who said he and all his neighboring landowners around him allow hunters access to their land. He didn't see a problem.

Is that what the hunters of North Dakota are experiencing? I don't think so and wonder where in the Land of OZ that guy lives?

But that's irrelevant. This $800,000 is YOUR money, and MINE, and the legislature should not even have control over it , much less using it as blackmail to get their way. It boggles the mind and I'll be glad when this session is over.

In the meantime, prepare to find out who will be on that committee and we have to spread the word that we will not tolerate an assault on our money. The Game and Fish Department is efficiently run and has a healthy surplus but the fact remains every dollar is YOURS!
Re: NDG&F Budget / Land Acquisition
by on 04/06/2009 6:50 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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You are incorrect, the Game and Fish Department is a stand alone entity, at least as far as the ND taxpayer is concerned. The department is entirely funded by license dollars from hunters, angler, trappers, etc, as well as their share of federal excise taxes on the gear and equipment those hunters and anglers purchase. Not a single dollar of state tax revenue goes to the Game and Fish budget.
 
Curt, please prove it.
That brings up the question: Why should the legislature have budget oversight in the first place?
 
You are making a joke here right?
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