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Mercury vs yamaha

by , Posted to on 05/09/2009 08:47 AM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

Joined: 09/03/2005
Location: ND
I'm am getting a new boat and I'm wondering what motor is the best.  I have the option for either at 115 h.p.  What are people's thoughts about Yamaha or Mercury motors.
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by on 05/09/2009 08:59 AM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Yamaha makes a very reliable motor, but they tend to be dogs out of the hole.  If your looking at 4 strokes and can put upt o a 135 on the boat, I would take a look at the Verado. They have the hole shot of a 2 stroke but the quietness of a 4 stroke.  Mercury does make a 115 Optimax and they will be the best on fuel, but you will have to add oil.  Mercury also makes a 115efi, but I haven't heard much of that.  I think most people looking at the 115 debate between an Opti or a Yamie.   
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by on 05/09/2009 11:52 AM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have a Yamaha 4 stroke and love it.   Although, I am sure I would catch more walleyes if I had better holeshot. 
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by on 05/09/2009 6:21 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I had a 4 stroke Mercury Bigfoot 50 on a pontoon.  Quiet, started easy, and ran great.  Too small for me though.  Bought a new pontoon with Yamaha four stroke 115.  AWESOME motor.  Can hardly hear it run.  (I have even hit the starter when it has been running)  Starts extremely easy.  Just put it in the water again this year and it spun for less then 3 seconds before it started.  Do not have for power but I certainly have not noticed that it does not do well out of the hole like the previous post stated.  I would bet both would be good choices but I am sold on Yamaha and must admit I hated Yamaha motorcycles growing up.
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by on 05/09/2009 6:43 PM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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you definitely need the best "hole shot" especially if fishing tournaments

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by on 05/09/2009 8:58 PM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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by on 05/09/2009 9:24 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have had both and I like the yamaha alot more. The noise and fuel are better with the yamaha. Mercury has better speed and hole shot but if you put the "edge plate" on the yamaha it will cut your hole shot down about 75%. Also I think the resale value on the yamaha is better.

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by on 05/10/2009 08:49 AM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Rarely do I ever hear anyone complain about holeshot if they put a motor on the rig at or near the max rated HP.  It's generally only people who strap 115's on a boat rated for 150 HP that complain.  Then I wonder what they expected since they are only putting 77% of the possible horses to the prop.  Performance aside since one can always tweak the setup to get better holeshot, I look for endurance and dependability. 

In that regard my vote has to be for the Yamaha.  Not that anything has really come up on the Verado (I also suggest only comparing 4-S to 4-S), but when one looks at corporate history I think the Merc made motors have had more systemic issues over the past 15 yrs than Yamaha.

Note, my current motor is a 115 Yammie 4-S on a boat rated for 150 HP and only note holeshot issues when the boat is heavily loaded AND I am using the prop that provides me with best speed for a light load.  Prior to this setup I had a very dependable 2-S, 75 HP  Mariner made in the mid 80s and a 25 HP Johnson even before that of about 1975 vintage.  I had pretty good luck with all three main motors on my rigs.

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by on 05/10/2009 10:36 AM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I have owned and used both hard.  I will say that I have not had any trouble with my merc but I have a fishing buddy that had so much trouble he sold the boat just to get rid of the motor.  I have spoken to mechanics off the clock who told me Mercury is the motor that keeps the shops in business and Yamahas never come back.

I now run an F115 and would not trade it for anything.


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by on 05/10/2009 9:29 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Thanks for all the info.  I've been talking to a lot of people this weekend and have heard a lot of negative comments on the Mercury.  Everyone I talked to said the Yamaha is more quit,  better fuel effecient and alot more reliable.  I havn't heard one good response on the Mercury's.   I think I'm going with the Yamaha. 
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by on 05/10/2009 9:52 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I heard at one time that some of the merc 4 strokes had yammie engines inside them...don't know if that is true or not. I have a merc 115 4s and it has worked flawless for 5 years, even use it as the trolling motor pulling cranks up river. Except when I pay the boat & gas bill, I've always wanted a gray yammie ...(150hp & T8!)

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by on 05/10/2009 10:24 PM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Prior to the Verado, many of the Merc 4-strokes had Yammie blocks and Merc mid/lower units.

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by on 05/11/2009 04:49 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Dear redskinrules ,
I have a 2008 Skeeter ZX200 19.5 ft with Yamaha 200HP VMax HPDI, and I can tell you that right now I'm looking into trading my boat with a bigger one, probably Champion 210 Elite with 250 Merc ProXS .. So, honestly I'm still debating which engine to choose on, Yamaha or Merc.. My honest exprience with my boat is that I will NEVER ever buy other Bass Boat Skeeter, since the warranty sucks, and they are so full of it  (on any small issues,imagine something bigger).. Now Yamaha Corporation are quiet decent I would say, or in my situation they OK everything wrong with the engine, but I have to insist a little or to push them to assist me on any issues, so all that being said, I tend to go with Merc 250 ProXS.. Friend of mine, Pro-Angler still ride a Yamaha 250 Vmax HPDI, and he still likes it... Regarding my 2008 Yamaha engine, had few problems like : harness wires failed ; gasoline filter ; starting problems.. After few months they fix it good, and it been 5 months since my engine perform like brand new again.. Regarding fuel performance in between Yama and Mercury, and don't know, and that is just publicity I believe or your speeding/handling habitude..  Now because of service tech distance from my home location to any close Yamaha shop, than I'm more likely that Merc will give me less problems getting to the shop since they are in almost all places around town.. Without any doubt the Yamaha it is a lot more quiet when it's ON.. More expensive to fix it or maintained, but probably less visits to the shop.. So, I would let you decided which will be your best bet based on my experience... 
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by on 05/11/2009 08:19 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I think Auggie pretty much hit the nail on the head! The 4S Yamahas are excellent power plants in terms of reliability, ease of use, and quietness but when it comes to performance they tend to be a bit of a pouch out of the hole. The mercs on the other hand are generally better performers, just as reliable, but are typically a bit louder. and also like auggie stated this question usually arises between an Opti and the 4S Yami, but now that merc has the 135 Vrod, it became more of a Opti or Vrod question.

I personally would be looking at the 135 hp motors, skip the 115s! I can't say I ever heard anyone complain about maxing out the HP on a new boat, on the contrary, I heard lots of bitchen about not doing it right the first time. If I were in your shoes I'd take a good hard look at the 135 Optimax, it'll be cheaper than the Vrod and probably not much more than the 115 4S your already looking at, it has an excellent track record for reliability, is the strongest in that HP class (runs real close to the 150s), and is an absolute miser on fuel. The only thing you'd be compromising on is the noise because the optis defiantly have a growl (I kinda like it myself)

Those of you that don't think hole shot is important are sadly mistaken or just don't know any better! Having a good hole shot makes a hudge difference in boat handling, more so when navigating rough water at minimal plane speed. This will often times make the difference between a wet ride and a dry one although the size and type of boat also helps, lol. Also, ask a few of the tourney pros whom are not sponsored but own the big block Yamis on 20-22 ft boats. They love everything about them, until you ask about the hole shot!
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by on 05/11/2009 08:44 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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The one time that I REALLY wished I had more hole shot was when I got caught on Devils Lake in 8 foot waves...my 1700 Lund Fisherman never felt so small and underpowered. I know a guy with the same boat with a 135 Optimax and its a completely different boat with that motor vs. my 115 4s.
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by on 05/11/2009 09:58 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I for some reason was under the impression that redskinrules could put a 135 on his boat, I have no idea where I got that presumption???? If the case turns out that a 115 is max I guess it would be a toss up then, although if I wasn't using it for trolling I would probably lean heavily towards the more fuel effiecent better performing 115 Opti. If it was gonna be used heavly for back trolling or trolling cranks then a 4 Stroke would deffinetly be inorder and it would probably come down to price and dealer reputation/accecibility since they're both good engines.
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by on 05/11/2009 1:02 PM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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You know, these new two strokes are not really that smokey, they dont load up when trolling and will kick the crap out of a 4 stroke when it comes to getting up fast not to mention alot lighter and cheaper...... Just a thought. I would go with another Yamaha HPDI over either brands new four stroke. Yes I have had both and fished from both in advance before I start getting bashed. 
 

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by on 05/11/2009 1:55 PM | Reply #17 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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This month Mercury is releasing its 115 HP Pro XS version of the 115 HP.  Usually the Pro XS series has a higher actual horse power then is stated.

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by on 05/11/2009 2:42 PM | Reply #18 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I've had them both , neither has ever let me set , I am not a hole shot guy, I want the damn thing to work when I go fishing plain and simple .

My latest is a Yamaha , great motor no complaints , extremely quiet , I think it really comes down to what the individual owner wants out of a motor no different than boats .Some guys will fight over glass others aluminum
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by on 05/11/2009 2:54 PM | Reply #19 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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I'm limited to what I want.  I want an 1890 rigged with a 140 (max horse for an 18 foot tiller).  Suzuki is the only one that makes one I think.  Maybe Honda.

But in contributing to this forum, I have ridden in both.  Really is there that big of a difference?  Yes, I have heard the hole shot argument (and I'd agree with that on nasty roller day...throttle response is nice).  But in all, all the 4 stroke boys make some pretty slick engines.  Good luck in finding that right motor!  I just can't wait for the day I upgrade to a 4 stroke!




 
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by on 05/11/2009 6:42 PM | Reply #20 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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When the 115 Merc 4 stroke first came out Mercury was buying the powerheads from Yanaha and continued to do so for quite a few years.  I don't know if they still do so or not, but they bought Yamaha's power heads from around the year 2000 on up.  Same engine, just different cowling and lower unit.   I eyeballed one in a showroom recently and for what its worth (probably not much) visually it looked exactly like my Yamaha. 
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