Mercury vs yamaha

I'm am getting a new boat and I'm wondering what motor is the best.  I have the option for either at 115 h.p.  What are people's thoughts about Yamaha or Mercury motors.

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Yamaha makes a very reliable motor, but they tend to be dogs out of the hole.  If your looking at 4 strokes and can put upt o a 135 on the boat, I would take a look at the Verado. They have the hole shot of a 2 stroke but the quietness of a 4 stroke.  Mercury does make a 115 Optimax and they will be the best on fuel, but you will have to add oil.  Mercury also makes a 115efi, but I haven't heard much of that.  I think most people looking at the 115 debate between an Opti or a Yamie.   

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I have a Yamaha 4 stroke and love it.   Although, I am sure I would catch more walleyes if I had better holeshot. 

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I had a 4 stroke Mercury Bigfoot 50 on a pontoon.  Quiet, started easy, and ran great.  Too small for me though.  Bought a new pontoon with Yamaha four stroke 115.  AWESOME motor.  Can hardly hear it run.  (I have even hit the starter when it has been running)  Starts extremely easy.  Just put it in the water again this year and it spun for less then 3 seconds before it started.  Do not have for power but I certainly have not noticed that it does not do well out of the hole like the previous post stated.  I would bet both would be good choices but I am sold on Yamaha and must admit I hated Yamaha motorcycles growing up.

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you definitely need the best "hole shot" especially if fishing tournaments

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I have had both and I like the yamaha alot more. The noise and fuel are better with the yamaha. Mercury has better speed and hole shot but if you put the "edge plate" on the yamaha it will cut your hole shot down about 75%. Also I think the resale value on the yamaha is better.

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Rarely do I ever hear anyone complain about holeshot if they put a motor on the rig at or near the max rated HP.  It's generally only people who strap 115's on a boat rated for 150 HP that complain.  Then I wonder what they expected since they are only putting 77% of the possible horses to the prop.  Performance aside since one can always tweak the setup to get better holeshot, I look for endurance and dependability. 

In that regard my vote has to be for the Yamaha.  Not that anything has really come up on the Verado (I also suggest only comparing 4-S to 4-S), but when one looks at corporate history I think the Merc made motors have had more systemic issues over the past 15 yrs than Yamaha.

Note, my current motor is a 115 Yammie 4-S on a boat rated for 150 HP and only note holeshot issues when the boat is heavily loaded AND I am using the prop that provides me with best speed for a light load.  Prior to this setup I had a very dependable 2-S, 75 HP  Mariner made in the mid 80s and a 25 HP Johnson even before that of about 1975 vintage.  I had pretty good luck with all three main motors on my rigs.

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I have owned and used both hard.  I will say that I have not had any trouble with my merc but I have a fishing buddy that had so much trouble he sold the boat just to get rid of the motor.  I have spoken to mechanics off the clock who told me Mercury is the motor that keeps the shops in business and Yamahas never come back.

I now run an F115 and would not trade it for anything.

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Thanks for all the info.  I've been talking to a lot of people this weekend and have heard a lot of negative comments on the Mercury.  Everyone I talked to said the Yamaha is more quit,  better fuel effecient and alot more reliable.  I havn't heard one good response on the Mercury's.   I think I'm going with the Yamaha. 

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I heard at one time that some of the merc 4 strokes had yammie engines inside them...don't know if that is true or not. I have a merc 115 4s and it has worked flawless for 5 years, even use it as the trolling motor pulling cranks up river. Except when I pay the boat & gas bill, I've always wanted a gray yammie ...(150hp & T8!)

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Prior to the Verado, many of the Merc 4-strokes had Yammie blocks and Merc mid/lower units.

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Dear redskinrules ,
I have a 2008 Skeeter ZX200 19.5 ft with Yamaha 200HP VMax HPDI, and I can tell you that right now I'm looking into trading my boat with a bigger one, probably Champion 210 Elite with 250 Merc ProXS .. So, honestly I'm still debating which engine to choose on, Yamaha or Merc.. My honest exprience with my boat is that I will NEVER ever buy other Bass Boat Skeeter, since the warranty sucks, and they are so full of it  (on any small issues,imagine something bigger).. Now Yamaha Corporation are quiet decent I would say, or in my situation they OK everything wrong with the engine, but I have to insist a little or to push them to assist me on any issues, so all that being said, I tend to go with Merc 250 ProXS.. Friend of mine, Pro-Angler still ride a Yamaha 250 Vmax HPDI, and he still likes it... Regarding my 2008 Yamaha engine, had few problems like : harness wires failed ; gasoline filter ; starting problems.. After few months they fix it good, and it been 5 months since my engine perform like brand new again.. Regarding fuel performance in between Yama and Mercury, and don't know, and that is just publicity I believe or your speeding/handling habitude..  Now because of service tech distance from my home location to any close Yamaha shop, than I'm more likely that Merc will give me less problems getting to the shop since they are in almost all places around town.. Without any doubt the Yamaha it is a lot more quiet when it's ON.. More expensive to fix it or maintained, but probably less visits to the shop.. So, I would let you decided which will be your best bet based on my experience... 

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I think Auggie pretty much hit the nail on the head! The 4S Yamahas are excellent power plants in terms of reliability, ease of use, and quietness but when it comes to performance they tend to be a bit of a pouch out of the hole. The mercs on the other hand are generally better performers, just as reliable, but are typically a bit louder. and also like auggie stated this question usually arises between an Opti and the 4S Yami, but now that merc has the 135 Vrod, it became more of a Opti or Vrod question.

I personally would be looking at the 135 hp motors, skip the 115s! I can't say I ever heard anyone complain about maxing out the HP on a new boat, on the contrary, I heard lots of bitchen about not doing it right the first time. If I were in your shoes I'd take a good hard look at the 135 Optimax, it'll be cheaper than the Vrod and probably not much more than the 115 4S your already looking at, it has an excellent track record for reliability, is the strongest in that HP class (runs real close to the 150s), and is an absolute miser on fuel. The only thing you'd be compromising on is the noise because the optis defiantly have a growl (I kinda like it myself)

Those of you that don't think hole shot is important are sadly mistaken or just don't know any better! Having a good hole shot makes a hudge difference in boat handling, more so when navigating rough water at minimal plane speed. This will often times make the difference between a wet ride and a dry one although the size and type of boat also helps, lol. Also, ask a few of the tourney pros whom are not sponsored but own the big block Yamis on 20-22 ft boats. They love everything about them, until you ask about the hole shot!

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The one time that I REALLY wished I had more hole shot was when I got caught on Devils Lake in 8 foot waves...my 1700 Lund Fisherman never felt so small and underpowered. I know a guy with the same boat with a 135 Optimax and its a completely different boat with that motor vs. my 115 4s.

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I for some reason was under the impression that redskinrules could put a 135 on his boat, I have no idea where I got that presumption???? If the case turns out that a 115 is max I guess it would be a toss up then, although if I wasn't using it for trolling I would probably lean heavily towards the more fuel effiecent better performing 115 Opti. If it was gonna be used heavly for back trolling or trolling cranks then a 4 Stroke would deffinetly be inorder and it would probably come down to price and dealer reputation/accecibility since they're both good engines.

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You know, these new two strokes are not really that smokey, they dont load up when trolling and will kick the crap out of a 4 stroke when it comes to getting up fast not to mention alot lighter and cheaper...... Just a thought. I would go with another Yamaha HPDI over either brands new four stroke. Yes I have had both and fished from both in advance before I start getting bashed. 

 

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This month Mercury is releasing its 115 HP Pro XS version of the 115 HP.  Usually the Pro XS series has a higher actual horse power then is stated.


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I've had them both , neither has ever let me set , I am not a hole shot guy, I want the damn thing to work when I go fishing plain and simple .

My latest is a Yamaha , great motor no complaints , extremely quiet , I think it really comes down to what the individual owner wants out of a motor no different than boats .Some guys will fight over glass others aluminum

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I'm limited to what I want.  I want an 1890 rigged with a 140 (max horse for an 18 foot tiller).  Suzuki is the only one that makes one I think.  Maybe Honda.

But in contributing to this forum, I have ridden in both.  Really is there that big of a difference?  Yes, I have heard the hole shot argument (and I'd agree with that on nasty roller day...throttle response is nice).  But in all, all the 4 stroke boys make some pretty slick engines.  Good luck in finding that right motor!  I just can't wait for the day I upgrade to a 4 stroke!


 

 

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When the 115 Merc 4 stroke first came out Mercury was buying the powerheads from Yanaha and continued to do so for quite a few years.  I don't know if they still do so or not, but they bought Yamaha's power heads from around the year 2000 on up.  Same engine, just different cowling and lower unit.   I eyeballed one in a showroom recently and for what its worth (probably not much) visually it looked exactly like my Yamaha. 

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I'm looking at getting the Trophy Alumacraft 175 with the 115 Yamaha, it is rated up to 150 h.p.  I know its a lot more expensive to get the 135 horsepower.  I'm not a tournament fisherman.  I do almost all my fishing on the Missouri, with a few exceptions on Lake Oahe and Sak.   I've been looking around for awhile, and found the Alumacraft affordable.   Thanks for all the information.

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Dear redskinrules,
You could not choose a better time than right now on this days when all the boat dealers will ''kiss'' your ''back'' to buy some of their stock.. And if you don't have any trade-in boat, than it's even better, or if you walk-in with cash.. Be a fighter for your money because in a different economy situation they will play with you, special if they see that you are interested, and they will not ''show'' you much specials that came with this boats from a manufacture stand point, or simpatize with your budget... If I were you, I would ask FIRST what they have to offer and what kind of discounts they have beside a posted signs.. Mercury for example had a warranty special for 2 extra years on top of 3 years already specified.. So, it came with 5 years total engine warranty.. But I believe this extended warranty expired on March 31st 2009.. I'm very convinced that they will came back with same offer later on.. Last year when I bought my Skeeter bass boat, Yamaha gave me 5 years total warranty on my engine.. NOT BAD..!!! This days all boat dealers will not turn your business down, since this economy does not show any improvements, and almost majority of us do not buy any big items like a boat for example.. Basicaly most of the boat shops will accept less revenue or non, and some of them will basicaly sell the stock under MSRP.. You can still find a 2007 brand new aluminum boats out there in some places with incredible discounts, and all warranties ready to start.. Majority of the Mercury engine on this boats are low HP engine, probably 4 stroke EFI.. I would suggest to get Mercury ProXS if you can find one, but in most situations those came on fiber-glass bass boats.. Merc Optimax ProXS 2 stroke is the best out-board engine that Mercury ever had.. DO NOT BUY Mercury VERADO.. I would better go back to Yamaha instead if I were you, if there is not any other option, but do NOT buy Verado I would suggest.. I also believe that Mercury ProXS lowest HP will be 175, but I'm not sure since I was not even interested in such a less HP engine.. My memory tells me that 150 HP it is Optimax EFI 4 stoke or 150 HP Optimax.. Honestly I would buy only Mercury ProXS if I would have to go with this outboard engine brand name, but I would NOT buy a Mercury Optimax 2 stroke or EFI 4 stroke, but again that is just me.. Ok, hope that my adds will let you decided what your budget will get confortable since many of us speek from experience stand of view, or bad experience more likely.. I have friends that loves Mercury engines, and some of them don't... So, GOOD LUCK OUT THERE... 

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redskinrules Said:
I'm looking at getting the Trophy Alumacraft 175 with the 115 Yamaha, it is rated up to 150 h.p........................

You'll be sorry, I'm really not trying to be a smartass, just saying from experience that you'll always be wishing you would  have put that couple extra ponies on that back when you had the chance. Once it's at home in the driveway, it's real expensive to change your mind! The other thing to keep in mind is resale, powered properly, it'll sell quicker and for more money when the time comes (which it should since you paid more upfront).

Curiously what are they hooking you on the engine?? A 4s 115 should be around $8k, the 135 approx. 10 to 10 1/2, and the 150 Opti should be able to be had for around $11k. Since the boat is rate for the 150 you'd save very little going with the 135 since they are typically just about the same price as the 150's although if they had a hell of a deal on a 135 over the 150 I woulndn't hesitate. To each there own, but I would make darn sure you'll be happy with a 115 on that rig before you shell out the cash. Personally I've been in two sperate Lund 1800 Fisherman Series boats, one with a 115 and the other with the max 150 EFI and there really was no comparison.

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i agree, you get 3 buddies, a livewell full of water and a tank of gas, etc... and the extra hp  will come in handy.  It is not always about going 50mph.  Either way, congrats on the new boat and lots of luck fishing

 

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redskin,

If at all possible DO NOT under power that boat for TWO reasons. One, Waste in time hit it on the head and two, you will get killed on trade-in or resale if and when you decide to get rid of it.

I have did this ONCE and I will never do it again, learn from my mistake.

 

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My dad has a 1750 Lund Tyee, when he first got the boat it had a 100 horse merc, I think every year he complained about lack of power. 17 years later the motor finally blew up and he replaced it with a bigger motor. Boat is actually enjoyable to fish 3 guys out  of again. The old motor with 3 guys and gear was horrible. I look at it this way, if you power your rig properly you can run it accordingly, 3/4 throttle nice cruising speed, good hole shot ect....... Under power your rig and you will be working the snot of of your motor all of the time and its still not gonna measure up to what you want.  Just my 2 cents.  Either way enjoy the summer in the new boat, cant wait for some warmer weather!

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Very true... !!! This guys are damn right... DO NOT EVER BUY A RIG WITH UNDER-POWER BOAT ENGINE...CORRECT... since you don't want to go Pro-fishing, that does not count right now, so it does not count speed,etc... But handling will be a problem in one day.. You might think this way now because you can not even wait to get on the water with your own brand new boat, but as all this guys mentioned up here, it will get back to you in one day.. You don't have to be a Pro, you just have to enjoy your ride, and the money that you spent for.. If there is a budget issue or that is the max your wife will agree on spending, than tell her that is better a little more for the right combination, and avoid other changes or problems after.. Just to give an example : Why you think this boat dealer wants to get rid of this rigs..??? Because the price is right you might think...  WAIT UNTIL YOU WILL GO BACK with your boat after few years, and than you will cry... Those warranties expire, right..??? Your boat and that engine will get old, right..??? Today's quality suck, and we all know that, so it will come a time when this messages will ring back in your mind... Do not say never right now, because we all been there, but in one day you will change your mind and want to upgrade your engine on your boat...forget about selling that engine that your boat came with... Take a look on eBay, at the ''few backs'' that some people get back, if they are lucky to sell... Many boat company under-power this rigs (special Tracker boats), and they do that for a reason.. They just want you to come back after some time and buy a different engine...because that is the way to stay in business... I guess you are smarter than that and getting all this info here, you will act accordingly.. That is why you inquired I believe.. right...??? I just forgot to mention, that you go ahead and ask that dealer even for a nice free upgrade fish-finder since this economy let you push it a little bit... Do not be afraid to inquire that, because it will be some ''space'' there, and one of those 798c Humminbird GPS-Chartplotters Cmbo with Side-imaging 180 degrees will get you started well.. Price of this toy : around 1000 USD... I'm sure they will give you some quiet few dirty looks, but hey...that is how you do business in this economy... How about that...!!!  If they say that is impossible, then do not leave without 2 nice baitcast rods like G-Loomis GL3 or St.Croix with IPC.. 
Good luck to you no matter what you will like or decide in the end...
 

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Well, I've got a Lund Fisherman 1700 paired with a 4s Yam F115 (the boat can take a 150).  I've never had anything at all to complain about (and I've been out in some unexpected big chop) until very recently.  In all fairness to Yam and Lund, I see this as a "loading" issue rather than an equipment issue.  Recently was out in little to moderate chop with 3 other people.  Gunned it and the hole shot was horrible.  Now, let's keep this in perspective:  450 lbs in the driver and pass seats, together with another 350 lbs in the two rear jump seats, together with a full bait well and a full "cooler" (both are under the jump seats).  Main battery also in the rear (between the jump seats), trolling battery in between driver and pass seats.  The ONLY weight up front was a 10 lb anchor and a Minn Kota bow mount 55 lb thrust; no, the front live well was empty.  So this meant ALL of the weight was behind the windshield, with the majority being just forward of the transom -- NO weight up front.  Also had a full tank of fuel (27 gal).  Once ONE of the rear passengers moved to the windshield strictly for the hole shot, we were fine -- up on plane in 4 seconds or so (give or take).  Of note, the heavier of the two rear passengers didn't join us the following day, and there were no issues whatsoever with the hole shot.  Would the extra 35 hp of the 150 have made a significant difference?  Don't know -- after all, the motor itself would be heavier too.  I too was told the same proverb:  always max out on your hp.  But given the fact that it would be only two of us about 80-90% of the time, I couldn't justify the extra $$ to move to the 150.  I know, I know -- it wouldn't have been THAT much money, maybe another 3K, but hey -- money's money, and with that ONE exception, I've been nothing but happy with the combo I have.  Like others have said, it's all subject to what your plans are.  As for resale, I plan on being buried in mine, so that's not a consideration!

Yes, Yam and Merc were in bed together for awhile, but as I understand it, that marriage has ended.

An acquaintance had an Opti (hp ?) on a 19' Legend.  And yes, it was lively.  But, in all fairness, while it did have that nice growl on acceleration and at WOT, I found it was just too noisy for a conversation.  Sounded beautiful but just too much.

A brother-in-law had a 4s 90 Merc.  It spent more time in the shop in the first 6 months - 1 year than my Yam has spent since day one (Apr 04).  And the only reason the Yam has been in the shop is due to my own stupidity -- hit a rock, sheared off one blade on the prop, bent another, and bent the prop shaft (?); fortunately, didn't ruin the entire lower unit.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

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if you want to get there first you buy a mercury if you always want to get there and get back you buy a yamaha simple as that

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I can't believe how many times the word "holeshot" was said in this topic.  Hahaha!

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Personally i think yamaha all the way. It has better gas mileage, is quieter and runs alot smoother and cleaner. The only downfall is the holeshot sucks! Just put a hydrofoil on and that helps quite a bit. Good Luck!

 

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crazyLSUfan Said:
if you want to get there first you buy a mercury if you always want to get there and get back you buy a yamaha simple as that

Diddo. Mercs are garbage especially when they start on fire in the middle of the lake.

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I like the looks of a mercury much better that color they paint the yamahas dont seem to go very well with any of the boats i have seen them on . thats why i would say go with the mercury all the way!!!

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blazer54 Said:
I like the looks of a mercury much better that color they paint the yamahas dont seem to go very well with any of the boats i have seen them on . thats why i would say go with the mercury all the way!!!

You should get some type of award for this post.

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Why do you say that Guns4ever dont you want things to match

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If you want some real information on the Mercury Verado (vs. unsupported criticism) go to www.veradoclub.com.  It is loaded with great information about this motor.  I went boat shopping last year and had insisted on a Yamaha.  Bought a Lund with a Verado after I researched the engine on this site.  It truly is a super charged race horse!

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Pat'sPlace Said:

I heard at one time that some of the merc 4 strokes had yammie engines inside them...don't know if that is true or not. I have a merc 115 4s and it has worked flawless for 5 years, even use it as the trolling motor pulling cranks up river. Except when I pay the boat & gas bill, I've always wanted a gray yammie ...(150hp & T8!)

True, but "Force is made by Mercury" remember that lame sales pitch from the past?

 

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have to agree with hunt hard1.
Researched a month in 08 before deciding to buy a 150 Verado strapped to a 1850 Crestliner. This is the third season running it and I stay impressed with the power, holeshot, and gas milage.