Meat Grinder

I have a manual meat grinder that I want to hook up to a electric motor, and was wondering where you can buy a flywheel to hook  up to the grinder? Also does anybody know of any plans out there to build a electric meat grinder?

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what ever you do do not buy a LEM. .

There is a kit on e-bay for 22.00 but then you have the pully in the way because it is about 14 inches 

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Here is how I built mine - http://www.sausagemania.com/grinder.html

Mine is almost identical except I used a 3/4 hp motor.

Since the pics were taken I have added a meat tray above the auger.

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Mossy, how much total did you spend?  I noticed orange juice in the background filling up the fridge.  No beer?

 

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Walynut, You beat me to the vodka line!
That looks like quite a setup!
My brother bought one of the 1.5 horse grinders from cabelas and I bought the stuffer with the electric motor. We just share them between us, works good so far except he is in Fargo and I live by Cavalier. I did have the blade break on the grinder last Sunday, I have been helping make sausage for 25 years or so and don't ever remember a blade breaking before.

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This is the type of setup we used in the past, but went to the 1.5 hp Cabelas meat grinder and will never look back.  This pulley type of design seemed to have a hard time getting through large pieces of pork fat.  Always had to cut everything into smaller pieces.  With the Cabelas grinder, it doesn't even grunt.

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Walynut, You beat me to the vodka line!
That looks like quite a setup!
My brother bought one of the 1.5 horse grinders from cabelas and I bought the stuffer with the electric motor. We just share them between us, works good so far except he is in Fargo and I live by Cavalier. I did have the blade break on the grinder last Sunday, I have been helping make sausage for 25 years or so and don't ever remember a blade breaking before.

Did the blade break or was it the square piece at the end of the auger that the blade fits on?

I have a Cabela's grinder and  that's what happened to me.  I know two other people who had the same thing happen.  A design flaw.  Have to buy a new unit that has been redesigned.

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I built it 6 or 7 years ago and if my memory is right, I have just shy of $200 into it; without the stainless steel meat tray we added to it. Few nice things about making your own is bragging rights and if you have problems you know how to fix your grinder.
Thats our meat fridge for when we do sausage you goof ball, the beer fridge is much larger !!!
Is that a stove in our garage or just a table saw in our kitchen?

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This grinder doesn't miss a beat, I have the belt set up pretty tight and another thing we have found is sharpening the plate to match up perfectly with cutting knife makes a HUGE difference in grinding.

If I were to make another I would like to design it with direct drive and a gear reduction; new project !!!

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Nice setup,   It will outlast the best of them..

 

 

 

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Mossymo, Why could'n tyou hook the belt directly from the motor to the grinder instead of pillow blocks? Where did you find the flywheel and  pullys? 

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Some people do, with this pulley size and configeration it gets the meat grinders auger turning close to 75 rpm's, which is what Hobart sets there meat grinders up for. I do not think any manufacturer has made more, sold more or have been making meat grinders as long as Hobart; I will trust their judgement.

The large pulley came with the grinder I purchased off eBay. The smaller pulley if I recall correctly I also found on eBay. Pillow blocks were off eBay also.

I should also add if you make a grinder using the pulley set up, use a grinder made with ball bearings. Most grinders are made with bushings and the bushing wiil wear out very quickly from the belt pull on the pulley that is transfered to the meat grinders auger.

But a direct drive meat grinder will wear fine with busings.

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I have the exact same grinder (ebay for $35) as shown in the above photo. The first thing I did was throw the flywheel in the garbage.  I bought a brand new electric motor and a 10:1 gear reducer that mounts directly to the motor shaft. I then went to the local hardware store and purchased a love-joy coupler and attached the gear reducer shaft to the shaft coming out the back of the grinder. Works very well and there are absolutely no flywheels or belts in the way. Seems much safer to me especially if you have no belt guard.  I figured the total amount of money was $185.00

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Where did you find the gear reducer?

Also, if you could post pic's of the grinder, that would be great !!!

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labman,
How many RPM's is your motor turning? We have the same set up, but we us a 30:1 reducer with a 1750 motor. That puts us around 58 rpm, which seems fast enough for a #32 grinder. I am currently working on our mixer. I plan to put a 60:1 on that. I still have to machine a new shaft.

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What is the difference between a 22# and 32# meat grinder?  What does the number before stand for?

Where is a good place in Fargo to find a motor?

 

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#22 and #32 is the Plate and Blade size.  Above is #32 and a #22 is smaller and the throat size is smaller. 

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Thanks, sounds like a #32 is the way to go if constructing one up (I am going to give it a try).  I like the idea of a larger blade size.

 

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Stringerfull,
I bought mine from TSC for under forty bucks a couple of years ago. I figure that if it lasts three or four years it's worth it.  They're throw aways. No need to go high end. The bigger investment will be in the motor and reducer. Luckily, I work around conveying equipment and I've managed to salvage and scounge up enough to put it together. You can try looking at Mac's in Fargo and Devils Lake for reducers and motors. Another place is Surplus Center in Grand Forks. You never know what you'll run across in those places. The one issue with the cheaper grinders is that they have a tapered shaft on the drive end. You'll either need to turn it down in a lathe or have someone build it up and turn it. It can be a bugger since it's cast. If you build it up, you'll have some forgiveness in case of problems. I turned mine down and countersunk a hole for the set screw. I have to be very careful when putting it together to get the setscrew lined up with the hole.

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I saw a meat grinder on Ebay that also was a stuffer.   Is it better to have two separate machines or is a combo one adequate?

                                                                                                                         

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We used to stuff out of the grinder.  You can do it, but a stuffer is much faster. We bought a 15# stuffer from Northern Tool for under 200 bucks. It works great and I suspect it's the same as the LEM brand. They're virtually identical. I'm sure they come from the same mfg.

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The blade snapped in half, two almost identical pieces.

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I can post pics of the setup if someone would pm me and instruct me how to post them. Thanks

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Does anybody have pictures of a meat grinder hooked up to a gear reducer? I plan on hooking a meat grinder to one once I find a gear reducer to buy.

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Here are a few pics I have collected over the years trying to put together some idea's.

This is 3 different machines

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Mossy, what do you know about the bottom one? It looks like a good setup for keeping everything clean and neat but what rpm does that grinder run at?

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StevePike Said:

Mossy, what do you know about the bottom one? It looks like a good setup for keeping everything clean and neat but what rpm does that grinder run at?

Honeslty have no idea, most are grinders I have seen for sale on BisMan.

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Where can you buy gear reducers in Bismarck, or what is a good website to buy one?

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Where can you buy gear reducers in Bismarck, or what is a good website to buy one?

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I have heared that gear reduction units out of conveyor belts work well.

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You can get all necessary equipment off of Ebay. Make sure you know the face size of your electric motor and make sure the face of the reducer will bolt up to it directly. My grinder is designed very similar to the bottom on in Mossy's photo. I like using the love-joy coupler instead of belts for obvious safety reasons. I do not have the cover/meat tray as shown above as it is just more to clean. You can splice a light switch or any type of on/off switch to the cord of the motor. Alot easier than plugging in and unplugging it from the wall everytime you want to turn on/off.  Make sure you try to set the end of the grinder near the edge of your mounting platform. Unlike the middle picture in Mossy's photo display. This way you can have the meat drop directly into your tub or pail, seems to work great for me and once again less cleaning/scrubbing to do.

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I forgot to add that alot of the common electric motors have a 56c frame face. This isn't always the case obviously. Also make sure the input shaft size on the reducer is the same as your output shaft size on the electric motor. If you are patient enough, you will be able to get a gear reducer, grinder and motor off of Ebay for less than $200 total.  For the gear reducer search 10:1 gear reducer and another good search to type in is Worm Gear 10:1 reducer.  Bud, if you need some assistance, let me know and I will help you in getting the right stuff. If you get one built, it will last forever and is built alot better than any grinder you will be able to buy at a retail store and cost a fraction of the price.

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Labman, The frame face for my motor is 56z and 1/3 hp and I cannot find a reducer on ebay. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks

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I will look for you.

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Bud,

My mistake, after looking at my motor it is 1/2 hp at 1725 rpm. I am checking for some possible combinations for you. What did you find for a grinder. Are you dead set with your motor or are you willing to purchase a different motor? PM me if you wish.

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I have a 1HP motor that runs about 93 RPMs.  I have it on a shaft hooked to a #22 grinder.  If someone explains how to attach photos, I have a few. 

 

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Labman, I have a #32 manual grinder. I would like to keep  the motor I have because it was free, but I would be alright finding a different one to make something work. What is a 56c face frame motor typically used for?

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Where you enter your message that you are posting, go to the toolbar in the middle row and run your curser over the fifth icon to the left and it should say "Insert/Edit Image". There make sure "Upload" is selected and then click on "Browse" and it will let you choose from whate file you want to upload from your pc. Select the pic you want and click "Send to Server". After the photo is uploaded select "OK" and then "OK" again. At this point it should be entered into your post. You can then start over and add another, post some more or just submit your post to the thread.

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Bud,

The 56C frame is typically used for attaching a gear reducer and making one hell of a grinder. :)  Actually I'm not so sure what that particular face is uesd for. But I did find you a heck of a deal on one. $50 brand new plus shipping. Then we just have to find a reducer for you. Still working on that. I know this motor will work great because it is the same one I purchased last year. Post your email address if you would and I will give you the link to it.  Meanwhile, I will continue to look for a gear reducer.  If you aren't going to use the other motor for anything, sell it. Possibly on ebay.

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We have built many of these, go to your local bearing supply company in your town they have every thing needed, ones that sell industrail type stuff, my friend use to work at one years ago is how we built them and when down they are bullet proof. We grind about 1500lbs between all of us in the group, cut up our own pigs and make sausage to each's own taste. We have even built tub's and mixers for drill to. all stainless even smoking shed thanks to guys that work at power plants. HAve fun and good eats

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Mossy, the message it gives me is as follows:

Please type URL image, then goes to some other area and won't let me upload.

WTF?

 

 

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I can not find the field you are in? Should be in Insert/Edit Image and then the Upload portion of that field?

Ah hell, just send the pics and your password; I will post them and tell a few people off for ya !!!

OOPS !!! , back to subject - MEAT GRINDERS

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Now that my computer has allowed me to download pictures, here are a few of mind.  I purchased the 1HP motor with a gear reduction box here in Fargo used.  It reduced it to 93 RPMs.  I went with a shaft and coupling set up.  This ratio will put out about 600lbs per our.  Total cost in set up is about $220 or so. 

 

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I like your grinder set up, nice lift for grinding into meat tubs. It should last you and your childrens lifetime !!!

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Thanks Mossy, it's a bit heavy, but does not float around the table so I don't have to clamp it down.  I've put about 100lbs through it already, and about another 100 or so to go. 

 

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Mine is a beast to move around also, but stays where I place it. If it doesn't, glue some rubber nubs under it or run a line of caulking under the base.

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I have looked for gear reducers on ebay and at some Bismarck businesses. I have found some gear reducers on ebay and none in Bismarck, and was wondering if there is any other good websites to buy gear reducers from before i buy one off ebay?

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is a 1 hp electric grander from Cabelas any good?

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Bud,

I found a 1/2 horse electric motor, brand new on ebay for $50.00  It is the same one I have and they work great.  56C face on it, that will open up your options for gear reducers. Seems most I find have that face on them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150395827934&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Will continue to look for Gear Reducer for you. The ones I've found lately seem a little spendy. As always with ebay, be patient and wait for a good deal.
 

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labman, I purchased that motor you had told me about and also a 10:1 gear reducer ( doerr). The gear reducer has been sitting on the shelf for a long time so I want to change the oil in it but can't find the oil they recommend. The oil they recommend is synthetic AMGA #7EP or AGMA #8, what type of oil do you use and where do you buy it?

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