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Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND

by , Posted to on 08/14/2010 6:42 PM | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND

Someone will now have to pull the weeds. No more round-up ready sugar beets.


Judge’s ruling uproots use of biotechnology beets

A federal judge has revoked the government’s approval of genetically altered sugar beets until regulators complete a more thorough review of how the scientifically engineered crops affect other food.

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge has revoked the government’s approval of genetically altered sugar beets until regulators complete a more thorough review of how the scientifically engineered crops affect other food.

 

The ruling by U.S. District Judge Jeffrey S. White on Friday means sugar beet growers won’t be able to use the modified seeds after harvesting the biotechnology beets already planted on more than 1 million acres spanning 10 states from Michigan to Oregon. All the seed comes from Oregon’s Willamette Valley.

 

Additional planting won’t be allowed until the U.S. Department of Agriculture submits an environmental impact statement. That sort of extensive examination can take two or three years.

 

White declined a request to issue an injunction that would have imposed a permanent ban on the biotech beets, which Monsanto Co. developed to resist its popular weed killer, Roundup Ready. Farmers have embraced the technology as a way to lower their costs on labor, fuel and equipment.

 

The Center for Food Safety, Organic Seed Alliance and Sierra Club have been trying to uproot the biotech beets since filing a 2008 lawsuit.

 

Andrew Kimbrell, the Center for Food Safety’s executive director, hailed Friday’s decision as a major victory in the fight against genetically engineered crops and chided the Agriculture Department for approving the genetically engineered seeds without a full environmental review.

 

“Hopefully, the agency will learn that their mandate is to protect farmers, consumers and the environment and not the bottom line of corporations such as Monsanto,” Kimball said in a statement.

 

Attempts to reach the Agriculture Department for comment Saturday were unsuccessful. Monsanto, based in St. Louis, referred requests for comment to the America Sugarbeet Growers Association, which didn’t immediately return phone messages Saturday.

 

The new planting restrictions are likely to cause major headaches for sugar beet growers and food processors.

 

The genetically altered sugar beets provide about one-half of the U.S. sugar supply and some farmers have warned there aren’t enough conventional seeds and herbicide to fill the void. The scientific seeds account for about 95 percent of the current sugar beet crop in the U.S.

 

White expressed little sympathy for any disruption his decision might cause. He noted in his 10-page ruling that regulators had time to prepare for the disruption because he had already overturned the deregulation of the genetically altered beets in a decision issued last September.

 

The Agriculture Department “has already had more than sufficient time to take interim measures, but failed to act expediently,” White wrote.

 

Organic farmers, food safety advocates and conservation groups contend genetically altered crops such as the sugar beets could share their genes with conventionally grown food, such as chard and table beets.

 

Those arguments helped persuade another federal judge in San Francisco to stop the planting of genetically altered alfalfa seeds in 2007 pending a full environmental review that still hasn’t been completed.

 

Monsanto took that case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, which in June overturned an injunction against the company’s sale of the modified seeds.

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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/14/2010 9:11 PM | Reply #1 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Location: ND
Or we could hire legal workers to pick weeds and pay a few cents more / lb of sugar...
Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/14/2010 9:22 PM | Reply #2 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Hmmmm more regulatory costs because some group gets a judge to make a ruling based on what. This seems pertinent to more than one thread's discussion!
Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/14/2010 11:22 PM | Reply #3 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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This ruling is a big deal and will have producers scrambling to find both conventional seed and the chemicals to spray with next spring. Sugar beets are a biannual plant that doesn't go to seed until the second year so there is no way to produce seed for next years crop if it isn't already in the ground. Everyone went to the roundup ready beet seed so the seed companies cut back on conventional seed because nobody was buying it. Same with the chemicals to spray the beets with.

It used to be common practice to both thin and weed sugar beets with migrant labor but that practice is all but gone due to changes in farming practices and improved chemicals for weed control. I doubt this ruling will change that much, but it's too bad a judge in the land of fruits and nuts can have such an impact on this part of the country.
Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/15/2010 09:22 AM | Reply #4 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Bowhuntin Said:
. I doubt this ruling will change that much, but it's too bad a judge in the land of fruits and nuts can have such an impact on this part of the country.

True words, and ones that perhaps should be remembered when groups are pushing agendas as to how far they can go and what consequences they may have as this seems to be the new tactic of most anti groups. It's alot easier to convince one judge than a percentage of any population. Especially when these judges have a lifetime appointment with NO accountability.
Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/16/2010 09:08 AM | Reply #5 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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do you have a link for this
Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/26/2010 4:32 PM | Reply #6 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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here is the original sugar beet thread
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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/26/2010 4:52 PM | Reply #7 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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gst Said:
Bowhuntin Said:
. I doubt this ruling will change that much, but it's too bad a judge in the land of fruits and nuts can have such an impact on this part of the country.

True words, and ones that perhaps should be remembered when groups are pushing agendas as to how far they can go and what consequences they may have as this seems to be the new tactic of most anti groups. It's alot easier to convince one judge than a percentage of any population. Especially when these judges have a lifetime appointment with NO accountability.
Some basic truths in what you said.  There is also something to be said for the fact that Monsanto has played a part in this too.  One of the plaintiffs in California is Organic farmers who have had problems with RR genes showing up in their crops.  So, this isn't totally about environmental types against farmers.  Some of this is farmer against farmer.

Normally, I would say tough shitsky, keep buffers in place and you don't have to worry.  But, Monsanto sued the crap out of some poor bastard several years ago who was saving his own seed and had never purchased their seed.  Turned out that he had their genes in his seed due to cross-pollination and they wanted their tech fees.  They won and got a huge settlement from him.  I don't think he ever got it overturned.

This is a bad thing for the Beet guys in the Valley and it isn't really fair.  But, the issues with these resistant crops and what to do about volunteer infestations is getting worse all the time.

I seriously doubt that there is enough conventional beet seed out there for next year.

Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/26/2010 5:47 PM | Reply #8 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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A Judge from California?????  You suppose the Judge know's we would need workers to weed the beets and he's looking for a way to get some illegals out of California?  Lord knows there ain't too many of us white boys up north willing to hoe beats for minimum wage.  Could be a major impact for the RR Valley.  But wait..............

Harry Ried you may have just lost your rail system from California to Las Vegas.  Now Nancy Pelosi is going to want a rail system from San Diego direct to Fargo.  May as well load them there illigals and get em out town quick as you can.  Wonder what that train will haul on the way back?

Our entire system is becoming a friggin joke.  From the top down, President, Senators, Congressmen, Judges, Governors, etc.  Most of them anyhow.

We the people...............yeh right.




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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/26/2010 6:38 PM | Reply #9 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Huh,

Imagine that. The Sierra Club has their dirty grubby hands involved in this. Scum bags.


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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/26/2010 10:17 PM | Reply #10 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Farnorth,
You are absolutely correct, this lawsuit was brought about by organic farmers in the Willamette Valley in Oregon, where all the sugar beet seed is grown. Their fear (it hasn't actually happened yet) is that the RR sugar beets planted in the Willamette valley will cross pollinate with their organic chard and red beets. Someone somewhere really dropped the ball by not doing the environmental impact studies before the sugar beet seed was approved for sale in the first place.

Supplies of conventional sugar beet seed will be the big question for next springs planting because sugar beets are bi-annual plants and it takes two years for them to produce seeds, and very few were planted after RR seed became available.



Farnorth Said:
gst Said:
Bowhuntin Said:
. I doubt this ruling will change that much, but it's too bad a judge in the land of fruits and nuts can have such an impact on this part of the country.

True words, and ones that perhaps should be remembered when groups are pushing agendas as to how far they can go and what consequences they may have as this seems to be the new tactic of most anti groups. It's alot easier to convince one judge than a percentage of any population. Especially when these judges have a lifetime appointment with NO accountability.
Some basic truths in what you said.  There is also something to be said for the fact that Monsanto has played a part in this too.  One of the plaintiffs in California is Organic farmers who have had problems with RR genes showing up in their crops.  So, this isn't totally about environmental types against farmers.  Some of this is farmer against farmer.

Normally, I would say tough shitsky, keep buffers in place and you don't have to worry.  But, Monsanto sued the crap out of some poor bastard several years ago who was saving his own seed and had never purchased their seed.  Turned out that he had their genes in his seed due to cross-pollination and they wanted their tech fees.  They won and got a huge settlement from him.  I don't think he ever got it overturned.

This is a bad thing for the Beet guys in the Valley and it isn't really fair.  But, the issues with these resistant crops and what to do about volunteer infestations is getting worse all the time.

I seriously doubt that there is enough conventional beet seed out there for next year.



Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/27/2010 03:36 AM | Reply #11 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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bait_em_up_bob Said:
....  Lord knows there ain't too many of us white boys up north willing to hoe beats for minimum wage. ...
by that statement, one thing becomes very obvious...  you've never hired/paid migrant labor to work in the beet fields..

It's not that I'm insensitive, I just don't care.

Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/27/2010 07:12 AM | Reply #12 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/27/2010 07:39 AM | Reply #13 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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gunattic Said:
bait_em_up_bob Said:
....  Lord knows there ain't too many of us white boys up north willing to hoe beats for minimum wage. ...
by that statement, one thing becomes very obvious...  you've never hired/paid migrant labor to work in the beet fields..
Your statement is absolutely correct.  I never have.





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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/27/2010 08:01 AM | Reply #14 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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bait_em_up_bob Said:
gunattic Said:
bait_em_up_bob Said:
....  Lord knows there ain't too many of us white boys up north willing to hoe beats for minimum wage. ...
by that statement, one thing becomes very obvious...  you've never hired/paid migrant labor to work in the beet fields..
Your statement is absolutely correct.  I never have.


HAHA. Really? I thought everyone on here was a beet farmer and hired laborers for their fields!
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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/27/2010 08:10 AM | Reply #15 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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Nope I'm not a beet farmer.  The ony thing I know about beets is they make a pretty fair bait pile.




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Re: Maybe we need the illegal immigrants in ND
by on 08/27/2010 08:14 AM | Reply #16 | "Quote" | "Quick Reply" |

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So I've heard. Also heard there are piles of them in the valley that a guy can take as much as he wants.
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