Lund Fiberglass Boats Are Here

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Lund Fiberglass Boats Are Here

Well folks, the floor plan is finally available for the 2008 Lund Fiberglass models.  I've been curious for a long time on how the floor plan would look.  That is, would the fiberglass models have the same looking floor plan as their aluminum models?  Part of me believed they would not and sure enough, they are different.  So my suspicion on the aluminum boats is true...they have more freedom in allowing storage space design because if they didn't the Lund fiberglass would have made their boats the same (after all, they are known for their excellent floor plans).

Here's a a couple links for comparison on the 20 foot dual console Lunds:  208 Pro-V GL vs. 2025 Pro-V IFS SE and for fun vs. Warrior's V203 Eagle

Here's a link to the full line of Lund's 2008 Models.  What stinks is Lund hasn't produced a tiller fiberglass yet so I can't compare a real man's boat.  Maybe next year!

Other Lund models are similar to Warrior and other fiberglass manufacturers.  You'll notice the floor plans are very similar.  Now that we can finally compare apples to apples the question becomes who has the advantage?  Oh the fun shall begin!!!

Tim Sandstrom

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yea it's really not possible to build a fiberglass boat with as much storage space as an aluminum boat. The engineering for strength won't allow it.

 

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A real man's boat?

Does that mean it comes standard with oar locks?

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I figured that but I know a few people that like to rip on me and say how good their floor space is compared to other manufacturers.  Of course, they were comparing the Lund aluminum to similar fiberglass competitors.  I can rest knowing there is limitations!  Sure is wierd putting the next two words together...Lund Fiberglass.

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I like how the 208 Pro-V GL Aft seats are more towards the center line of the boat. This allows you to have more room on the sides of the boat when trolling or jigging. Impressive boat.


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The hull design looks similar to their aluminum so I'll assume they will be a more rough and wet ride compared to the warrior. I would imagine the price wont be any better than warrior or yarcraft. IMHO, Lunds are way way over priced.

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3XGutshot,
I believe the 208 Pro V Gl with a 300hp Verado is north of 50k. The hull design is based off of their Aluminum boat hulls.


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$50k for a Lund hull? Ridiculous to say the least.

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

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I believe it was closer to 60k.

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Say, that also satisfies another argument in that people believed it was cheaper to make fiberglass.  If so, the suggested retail prices don't fall in line with that!

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At that price I think i'll keep my 2000 Lund fisherman for a few more years!Only 3 more years of payments and she's mine!!!!!!!!

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From what I've heard, rigged with a 275 Verado and 9.9 pro kicker the boat was at 59,and change. Lot of money.

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The 186GL is the EXACT same layout as a Ranger Reata, too funny!!! I guess if your going to try and mimic a company, they picked the right one!!

 

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This isn't the first time Lund made a fiberglass boat. Didn't they make the Cherokee from like 86 to 94?

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rng,

Yeah they have and they actually had one out last year (not sure what model) but this is the first time they've had a "renovated' design.

Waly,

Now, now, Ranger?  You watch too many bass tournaments!  Hey, hey!

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They also made the Nisswa in about the same timeframe.

3x, can't say I know why your so high on the Warriors, the only two guys I know personally that have them both have trouble getting them to plane out. One is an 1898 W/175 Opti that you have to go 25mph or faster in to stay on plane and it was a WET SOB! The other is a 2121 W/300 HPDI Yammie and it had to have a hydroplane added to the cavitation plate to get the boat to plane out. The 1898 was 25HP under max, the 2121 was maxed out. I've run both just a bit, neither were impressive. Hard to think of any boat strapping 300 ponies to the back and not being $60K or more.

Just remembered a 3rd guy with a Warrior, a 177 Eagle with 90HP Merc 4-stroke and it's nearly perfect.

You need to look past the "I have one so it's the best" attitude most folks have. At least look upon one with your own eyes and in person before you bash. I don't have a lund, haven't had since '02, and don't have anything to do with them, I just like to see criticism come from 1st hand experience rather than a brand name.

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Horsager,

A wet Warrior boat huh?  I am assuming you were in some nasty conditions...conditions that any boat will get you wet.  I've heard of the plane and balance complaints but each have been taken care of whether it be through some weight adjustments, repair or simply giving the person a new boat but when it comes to the dryness.  With the ride I gotta disagree with you on that because I have yet to be in a Yarcraft or Warrior where they didn't produce a very pleasurable ride.  For that matter, any fiberglass (well most anyway..some of them brands out there like to spear the waves pretty bad...I won't mention names) is a smooth and dry ride compared to aluminum boats.  It's just one of those things.  With that said, ANY boat will have its issues just like at any time a person can drive off the car lot with a lemon.  You gave 3x a ribbing with his stance but you have only been in two boats.  I know quite a few Warrior folks that would be happy to take you for a spin in their boats (of which they are very pleased with in all regards).

I'll have to take you out in a Warrior tiller and see what you think.  Of course, I don't believe in being the macho guy with big horse power so you won't be happy in that regard (I don't know if you care about speed or not) and you'll have to get use to going backward when it comes time to fish!

Anyway, the point of it all to me is no more do I have to wonder if the fiberglass industry was being stubborn about the interior of their boats nor do I have to question whether the fiberglass is a tad more expensive.  I can honestly rest in peace now.

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I have owned both fiberglass and aluminum boats. I believe it's a persons preference. Personally, I will not buy another aluminum boat. The comfort, handeling of waves, and comfortable ride will keep me in glass. Sure, it hauls and rides heavy, but I'm not looking for 60 MPH on the water. I top out at 42 to 45 MPH and that is with a 140HP. Fast enough for me...I hope they show these new models at the boat show coming up in Fargo.

 

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That layout looks just like my Skeeter. Tim do you accually think Lund would sell their glass boat cheaper than aluminum even if it cost less to make? And as for layout they only go by what buyers want not what "lookers" say they want.

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The government did a drop in interest rates today. WTF - what we need is an increase to keep in check with inflation. Big increase = lower boat prices / bankruptcy boat companies. Keep the prices in check. Over 50k for something you use how many times a year. Especially in this frozen piece of s tundra.

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Warrior tillers are flat out awesome boats. I personally find their console boats a bit primitive (best way I could explain it), but the ride is dry and smooth. Definately not a first choice for a glass boat for me personally. From what I've found, similarly rigged "big" glass boats are close in price. Feature for feature, that is. I am really looking forward to the reviews of the glass Lund. I've spent lots of time in a Pro V and like the hull. Is it glass? No. But it is still quite nice. I am sure the glass version will be much improved. Yarcraft has a great riding hull. They too are a bit primitive in some ways, but the 209 and 219 TFX have really improved things. Only had a quick ride in a Triton (215X), fast for sure. Not the smoothest from what I've told, but no firsthand experiences. Best ride I've experienced is in a Ranger. Smooth in some nasty stuff. Maybe a bit wetter than a Yarcraft or Warrior, but the ride I experienced was better than the two listed. Can't wait to experience a Lund and see how it stacks up.

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Tim, we weren't in particularly nasty conditions but you had to go so fast to keep the boat on plane that you got wet in any kind of waves at all. That's the same reason that it rode rough, you had to go so fast to keep on plane that you were pounding waves.

Most of my original post was to give 3x a reality check that Warriors ain't perfect and he's not even seen the Lund in person yet, let alone ride in one. Hard to talk smack without 1st hand knowledge.

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Tim,

Honestly, look at the Ranger Reata 1860 and compare the layouts, with the exception of a cup holder, it is nearly an identical layout, I have one (Ranger), if you want, swing by the house and we'll go in the back garage with the lap top and compare.... With a beer of course!!! LOL

 

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According to a lund source the hull is designed off of the brunswick sister company Triton's hull. The interior is a combination of the Pro-V and the Ranger Reata. As for being ready for the boat show... No. The 186 GL may be, but the fisherman and the Pro-v won't be finished in time. You might catch them in april at the Mpls show. But at this point it is to far out to tell.

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The hull design does look like a Triton so I'll stand by my initial prediction. I'm sure it is a nice boat, good quality, fit and finish etc.

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Horsager, cant say I've heard of a Warrior having trouble planing out. Was that on the newer models? The only time I've had trouble planing mine out is because of my operator error on the trim adjustment.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
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Horseager,
I wouldn't blame that on the boat. I'd blame that on the setup. It could be as simple as the prop. Also, motor too high or too low on the transom, cargo not distributed appropriately, etc.

 

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The 1898 is an '04 model and the 2121 an '06.

Eyexer, you may be right about the setup being incorrect, that was my diagnosis as well, that's the reason I was running both boats, someone thought I might know the problem and suggest a fix. IME both boats had the motor too high.

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Horsager,

Yeah I know you were ribbin' 3x a little and I was giving some back :-)

eyexer,

Many times the issue is cargo (coolers, tackle bags, size of people in the boat, etc).  I have yet to ride in any boat that won't have issues with the level of ride or even planing if the boat isn't set up right.  The biggest problems with such issues rest with console boats.  Tillers very rarely have an issue with cargo unless you have passengers that weigh quite a bit or think it's fun to sit on the gunwales!  But yeah, any boat will struggle if the setup isn't what it should be.  A lot of times, the boats sent back because they don't balance or plane get tweaked for how the user would like the boat to be setup and then it runs down the water just fine.

walynut,

I was just going to say what catchem-eatem said about the hull design.  As for the floor layout I definitely see the similarities but all that really is different with most of the fiberglass boats is a door size or something.  Take a look at the Warrior and the only significant difference is the door size.  I'm also just ribbin' you with the Ranger comments.  It's all fun and games because the boat manufacturers surviving today all make great boats.  It all comes down to personal preference and the size of one's checkbook in the end.  But yeah, sometime when I finally get over to that neck of the woods I'll look you up.

fishhunter,

I would have to say yes but its obvious to me that the cost to make a fiberglass is greater than it is to make an aluminum.  If it isn't, I should start designing fiberglass boats and undercut everyone in the market.  I'd make some quick cash!  If fiberglass are indeed cheaper than we as a consumer are getting ripped off...again, another great opportunity to jump in the market.  With that said, I doubt they are cheaper because the market is quite competitive and dropping the dollar value would be the single most effective way to get a bigger piece of the pie.

Traxion,

I too look forward to jumping into a Lund fiberglass.  Like I said, even though I'm a Warrior fan for my own reasons it is hard to ignore that Lund's aluminum boats (especially Tillers) have an awesome floor plan but I've always liked the look and feel of a fiberglass boat.  I'm a bit disappointed (or maybe happy) that the floor plan can't be carried over to the fiberglass models.  Disappointed because the dream of having an aluminum layout in a fiberglass seems to be not possible and happy for the reason I don't have to question my favorite boat manufacturer on their floor design (or others for that matter).

Uff da, all this boat talk is making a guy almost want winter to hurry up!

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For the record, I feel its important to say that NO boat should be considered dry because let's face it they run on the water.  The conditions could be to the point that no boat is dry, the boat operator could not know enough to minimize getting wet (cutting waves the wrong way) or it could simply be the fact that in order to get from point A to point B the boat has to cut across the waves in an undesirable way.

Point being, I have never ridden in a boat that I didn't get wet and I never will.  That's just the truth so the whole "dry" factor is kind of over-rated.  Although, I will say some boats are a little more prone to pushing waves versus cutting them.  So, although over-rated, dryness effects can be seen in different manufactures.

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Timmers,

Nothin' but love brother!! Are you going to be at the Devils Tournament this weekend??

 

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"Dryness" is as much a function of where you sit in the boat as it is hull design. A boat that has the console moved up towards the front will have passengers dryer than one that has seating towards the back. However, the further forward you sit in the boat the rougher the ride will be, it puts you closer to the end of the lever instead of near the fulcrum. With boats, there's always lots of give and take.

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Hors,

Awesome point, hence if I dont like you, you sit in the back, passenger may get a little relife unless I have to cut the waves, then they will get wet, all I can say is the only dry seat in the boat is mine!!! Wife is still wondering why I am always dry and she is always wet....LOL

 

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When people talk about boats and dryness or ride the one thing I always chuckle about is people who compare their current purchase to their old one. This is almost always like comparing apples to oranges. Almost each year these companies tweak their hulls a bit. I get a new 2025 Pro-V every 3-4 years. Each time the new one is a lot smoother and drier than the previous. So, unless you actually go out and take a ride in that years boats, most any comparison from your old boat to your new other brand boat is really a false comparison. I run aluminum and my current Pro-V can go at angles in waves that I would never have gone in my older Pro-V without being totally drenched. Funny part is that I now have the driest Pro-V I've ever had and Lund gave me rain gear with it. Where was the rain gear when I really needed it?

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Wow, 60K for a fishing boat is completely rediculous. I wonder if this trend is ever going to stop! There must be people ponying up the cash or they wouldn't build them, but you would sure think there aren't many fisherman in that demographic.

I have had a very dry ride in 6 footers on Erie in my boat and other boats that are not considered "dry" boats by many folks. It is more a function of driving and managing the waves than the boat's ability to keep you dry. I am going to run my boat till the motor falls off, because to get something similar now I need 40 grand.

My opinion is that the flagship lines by the big manufacturers are all awesome boats and I would be proud to run pretty much any of them.

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Sitting back and reading this discussion made we think the same as you Permo. 60K for a fishing boat in this frozen part of the world? LOL
When I first cme to ND in 1980 I bought a used boat that was pretty well the sandard of the day. A 16 foot open aluminum with a 50 hp tiller Merc. If you were flush you bought a tiller mounted electric.
Thinking back we probably had more fun and caught more fish from that old thing than any boat I've had since.
Not to say that these new super duper boats aren't fantastic machines, but I doubt many people can afford them. Sure way out of my league! Nice to dream and window shop, though.

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The best boat I ever owned, and still do own is a 1999 16.5 foot alumacraft magnum CS with a 80 yamaha 4-stroke. My next boat will likely be a midsized alumunim tiller.

I think we lose sight of the fundamentals of the fishing boat and fishing in general sometimes when looking at boats. The 275 verado, 80 gallon livewell and 20inch TFT screen sure look nice..but are they necassary? hmmmmm I know my answer to that question.

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Permo wrote: "Wow, 60K for a fishing boat is completely rediculous. I wonder if this trend is ever going to stop! There must be people ponying up the cash or they wouldn't build them, but you would sure think there aren't many fisherman in that demographic."

The problem is the way the financing is. Most people I know work off the budget, not how much debt they take. As long as the payments work into the budget. If I try and buy a 2004 Lund for $20,000 the bank only let's me finance it for maybe 5 years. Try buying a mint condition Mastercraft ski boat that is a 1999 model, but $22,000 in price and the bank says maybe 3 years, but we would prefer 2.

I can go buy a brand new Alumacraft, Moomba, Fourwinns, etc.. in that $35,000 price range and my payments are less, but I get a brand new boat.

They are now extending payment plans for 15 years on anything over $25,000 and 20 years on anything over $35,000 dollars. I believe and I may be wrong, but anything over $50,000 could be financed for 30 years because it falls in the yaht category which could mean 2nd home (I think I read that in my boating magazine).

Of course it is financially better to buy the used boat because it gets paid off much earlier, but doesn't fit in the monthly budget plan.

I finally got to the Lund site last night. Nice looking boat, but as others have said, same layout as other glass fishing boats. I am interested in seeing performance data on the 186 GL as I am more waterskiing than fishing.

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Quote Rngesci: "They are now extending payment plans for 15 years on anything over $25,000 and 20 years on anything over $35,000 dollars. I believe and I may be wrong, but anything over $50,000 could be financed for 30 years because it falls in the yaht category which could mean 2nd home (I think I read that in my boating magazine)"

It's crazy. I drive an old truck (1997) and I fish out of old boats(1999 and 2001). Buy they are all paid for! No payment is the best payment and paying interest really digs at me. Now if the boat company's would come up with some zero % financing it would be a little more tempting.

Corey P

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A boat at 50,000 will end up costing a guy around 120,000 in 30 years financed at about 6 percent!  Ouch!

I drive a beater pickup and have a 1995 Warrior Tiller.  Don't forsee myself with a new boat for a long time.  Gotta make career changes for that to happen!

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Tim, I think I have a solution:

sell house - live in boat.

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When i bought my 2000 lundfisherman i Finanaced for 10 years at 10%.This was in the year 2000.About 5 years ago i refinanced at 5.8%-saved me abunch of money!MY payment is $196.00 month.Just 2 more years!!!!!!!!!

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Actually Tim,

Lund produced quite a few different glass boats starting way back when. Infact they were one of the first "big" manufacturers to play with a commonly produced glass boat (the tri-hull among other models) so really its not that surprising they are messing with it again. Of course, like their first run, they might not stick around long with all the other glass manufacturers around. We'll see what happens!


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Pigsticker,

I know they had glass boats back in the day but boats like ole Jimmy Ruud's do me no good!  Although, I did catch a tagged six pounder out if the little son of a gun a couple years ago near Hazen Bay!

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One thing I like about Lunds new 186 Fisherman GL is having the steering wheel on the left side of the boat. You can see it on the Lund website under that boat in the picture of the two boats.

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That's for the boats sold in Canada, eh.

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hunt hard1
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Thought I'd give this thread some new life to see what you guys think about the fiberglass Lund.

I bought one and had it out on Oahe the last two weekends.  The engineering is very good in 186 Tyee GL.  Lots of room.  I had 6 in the boat last weekend and it worked pretty good.  This weekend I was down to 4 and had plenty of room.  Big waves were not a problem.  No one got wet in the boat even when sitting in the jump seats.  It does ride rougher than my alum v hull.  But it was OK at 25mph on some pretty big rollers. 

I have had some quality issues.  Trim guage did not work.  Horn did not work.  Air ride pedestal did not work.  Another pedestal came apart after the clip on the bottom fell off.  The sleeves in the bases pull out when I take a seat out of the base.  That is really annoying trying to get the sleeve off when you are rolling around on the waves.  And the skie pole did not line up with the base in the floor of the boat.  The dealer had to cut a larger hole in the deck  and move the top plate.

Anybody have the problem with the sleeves coming out of the bases and how did you fix it?  For now, I sprayed WD40 on the pedestal so it slides out easier, but that is just going to attract dirt.  Not a long term fix.  Thanks for your ideas.

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hunt hard1 Said:
Thought I'd give this thread some new life to see what you guys think about the fiberglass Lund.

I bought one and had it out on Oahe the last two weekends.  The engineering is very good in 186 Tyee GL.  Lots of room.  I had 6 in the boat last weekend and it worked pretty good.  This weekend I was down to 4 and had plenty of room.  Big waves were not a problem.  No one got wet in the boat even when sitting in the jump seats.  It does ride rougher than my alum v hull.  But it was OK at 25mph on some pretty big rollers. 

I have had some quality issues.  Trim guage did not work.  Horn did not work.  Air ride pedestal did not work.  Another pedestal came apart after the clip on the bottom fell off.  The sleeves in the bases pull out when I take a seat out of the base.  That is really annoying trying to get the sleeve off when you are rolling around on the waves.  And the skie pole did not line up with the base in the floor of the boat.  The dealer had to cut a larger hole in the deck  and move the top plate.

Anybody have the problem with the sleeves coming out of the bases and how did you fix it?  For now, I sprayed WD40 on the pedestal so it slides out easier, but that is just going to attract dirt.  Not a long term fix.  Thanks for your ideas.

try some powdered graphite on the bases.